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[Bayonet Hipshot]

So I am curious so as to see what the dwarves, as a collective, effect things in DA:I. 

 

I mean so far, we know that DA:I is about mages vs templars, elves vs humans, city elves & dalish elves conundrum (I hope they finally allied), Celene vs Gaspard, Grey Warden stuff and Demons Vs Thedas. 

 

Obviously that view is quite simplistic but one can get the idea of the scale of things in DA:I. So one can clearly see that the conflicts in Inquisition primarily concern City Elves, Dalish Elves, Elven Mages, Human Mages, Human Templars, Human Red Templars, Human Nobles, Human Commoners, Demons and then the rest of the world. 

 

Which then raises the point of :- What is the dwarven stake in this whole mess ? 

 

Now obviously the dwarves by their nature of being close to lyrium and by mining the thing, will have an effect in the mage-templar war and surface dwarves would have to deal with demonic invasion but other than that, there is nothing much at stake is there ? 

 

Which then raises the point of :- Can dwarves be possessed by demons and spirits ? Will the Veil tear affect their magical resistance somehow ? Can Veil Tear happen underground ? 

 

So I am curious so as to what role dwarves will have in DA:I ? Will they be the people in the background, aiding or not aiding parties in the mage-templar war ? Or will they be involved in something more ? 

 

By the way, I really hope that Sandal's prophecy can come to pass and dwarves can finally use magic in DA 4. I have always wanted to play as a Dwarven Mage in the DA Universe. 

[adorkable-panda]

Let's not forget the whole Bartrand debacle and how he was possessed by the "song" of the lyrium. Anders if present will even note that he'd suspect it to be demonic if it weren't for the fact that dwarves were severed from the Fade which just brings even more questions, which honestly should be the name of DA2, DA2: Loose ends, more questions and unresolving plots! 

 

Anywho back on topic. 

 

I think your idea that Dwarves would be linked back to the Fade again would be awesome but at the sme time would ruin what made Dwarves remotely special in terms of the other races, that they can't use magic. But yeah I'm curious to see how Dwarves as an entire species react to the chaos since they're all generally underground and if they surface they lose almost everything that made them dwarven and are forced tos tart over. 

[Nuclear]

Well, perhaps Sandal's prophecy has come true. Dwarf Inquisitor does have that glowy hand.

 

Regarding the Dwarves as a whole, I think they'll be on of the 'background' races (along with Qunari, since there's few that live on mainland Thedas and have little stake in any of the conflicts bar the Demons/Thedas one) as in having the least amount to do with the heavy plot events. I would imagine that anything to do with Darkspawn (Corypheus or namely The Architect) could possibly affect them. Some are probably involved in the red lyrium trade and you'll probably have to break those operations but overall I don't see them having any stake in conflicts other than Demons/Thedas like the Qunari. Dwarves have always been rather cut off from Humans and Elves.

 

I'm at least hoping to see Kal-Sharok and see if there's any differences in surface relations than Orzammar.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Let's not forget the whole Bartrand debacle and how he was possessed by the "song" of the lyrium. Anders if present will even note that he'd suspect it to be demonic if it weren't for the fact that dwarves were severed from the Fade which just brings even more questions, which honestly should be the name of DA2, DA2: Loose ends, more questions and unresolving plots! 

 

Anywho back on topic. 

 

I think your idea that Dwarves would be linked back to the Fade again would be awesome but at the sme time would ruin what made Dwarves remotely special in terms of the other races, that they can't use magic. But yeah I'm curious to see how Dwarves as an entire species react to the chaos since they're all generally underground and if they surface they lose almost everything that made them dwarven and are forced tos tart over. 

 

 

Could it be that red lyrium allows dwarves and non magical beings to connect to a different dimension or maybe to a different part of the Fade which allows them to be "possessed? I mean Meredith gained fantastical powers after being exposed to red lyrium, powers which a non magical person should not possess. 

 

I am thinking that since  Red Lyrium was found in a very ancient location, Primeval Thaig, Red Lyrium could be an early form of lyrium itself. An unevolved lyrium if you will.  If we think of lyrium as an evolving substance, perhaps Red Lyrium is one of the earliest forms of it and as such has perhaps usable to the earliest of peoples but to people living in the present day in Thedas, it effects them adversely and requires a great deal of control and effort, more so than Blue Lyrium. This can be futher supported by the fact that Red Lyrium was only found when we got so deep into the Earth. Generally speaking, the deeper a substance is, the more ancient it is. 

 

Lyrium Evolution Theory. 

 

Back on topic to dwarves...

 

Yes, I want to see how the dwarves act in DA:I because they can actually just not give much of a damn about stuff and be insular since at most, they have to deal with some demonic invasion. Thing is, we are talking about a group of people who spend their lives battling darkspawn and other underground creatures so this should not be that big of a problem. 

 

That or dwarves, perhaps under King Bhelen, could sense an opportunity for dwarves to have a more prominent role on the surface and act accordingly. I mean with war comes war profiteering and economic control. Dwarves are mostly merchants and smugglers to the surface peoples. 

 

[Heimdall]

I don't think dwarves will be a huge factor in DA:I.  I suspect the greater part of their interactions with the plot will be through the surfacer arm of the lyrium trade, which now has found itself without its greatest client thanks to the separation of the Templars and the Chantry, and the subsequent destruction of most of the Chantry leadership at the beginning of Inquisition.

[Gannayev of Dreams]

What we learned in DA:O is that the Dwarves are involved in a long-standing and persistent conflict with the Darkspawn, since they tend to live right on top of them.  Their war with the Darkspawn does not end with the Blight, and all their resources go towards their efforts to hold back the tide.  This pretty much precludes them from having the ability, much less the interest, in the conflicts of the surface world. 

 

Unless of course you're one of the rare Surface Dwarves, like Varric.

 

Clearly the Dwarven Inquisitor falls into this category, if not right from the beginning then very early on in the story, though perhaps they somehow have special missive from Dwarven government to travel the surface without risking their caste status.

[Beerfish]

I am not sure how big of a part they will have I sure do love dwarven poltics and such though.  I'd love if they explored he whole Kal shirol/Orzammar thing,

[Heimdall]

Addendum to my prior post:

 

There's also the issue of Kal Sharok.  I recall rumors that the dwarves of that city would be somehow involved in Inquisition.

[Gill Kaiser]

I thought there was going to be something about Kal Sharok, and how the dwarves there have survived by becoming tainted half ghouls?

[ElementalFury106]

I don't think Dwarves will have such a central conflict like some of the other things we'll be facing in Inquisition. The fact that they isolate themselves underground and are too mired in their own problems assures this even more.

 

Let's not forget that their way of life is dying, and their population is severely depleting. Not to mention they always deal with the threat of the Darkspawn. It's no wonder they don't really care what's going on in the surface. For some reason, I don't think the Veil Tear works quite as similarly in the Deep Roads as it does on the surface.

 

We'll more than likely visit the Deep Roads in DA:I, but I don't really see us getting involved in a huge Dwarven conflict that's essential to the Inquisition.

 

If I had to think of one, I'd say reuniting Kal-Sharok with Orzammar once and for all, but that'll probably be saved for a further installment in the franchise.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I thought there was going to be something about Kal Sharok, and how the dwarves there have survived by becoming tainted half ghouls?

 

What is this about surviving by becoming tainted half ghouls ? 

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

I thought there was going to be something about Kal Sharok, and how the dwarves there have survived by becoming tainted half ghouls?

 

There's hints about Kal Shirok's situation in World of Thedas, vol 1, but I don't think anything's been mentioned regarding their presence in Inquisition.

 

Not that I'd complain, b/c more dwarves can only make things better.

 

[Killdren88]

I'd wager that this Veil Tear in fact allows for a connection between Dwarves and the Fade and creating Dwarf Mages, like Sandal, I think he if the first Dwarf Mage honestly.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

 

What is this about surviving by becoming tainted half ghouls ?   

 

 

There's a passage about Kal Shirok in the book World of Thedas, Vol 1. Its one of those first hand account-type entries. The guy writing is trading with Kal Shirok dwarves and he says they're civil but quiet and secretive. And that they remind him of grey wardens somehow, but he can't put his finger on why. Says its something in their eyes. 

 

Since Grey Wardens are really just slow-acting ghouls, I guess that's become the popular theory about Kal Shirok.

[TheGlen]

All the dwarf endings in Origins hinted at future strife between dwarves and humans, especally regarding Brother Bartel.  If Harrrowmont got his golems then there is actual conflict as they seek humans to turn into golems.  So there is backstory for the dwarves to get involved with the human kingdoms.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

All the dwarf endings in Origins hinted at future strife between dwarves and humans, especally regarding Brother Bartel.  If Harrrowmont got his golems then there is actual conflict as they seek humans to turn into golems.  So there is backstory for the dwarves to get involved with the human kingdoms.

 

Ah. I forgot about that. I never choose Harrowmont or side with Branka so I forgot.

 

I also hope Amgarrak has some effect in DA:I. Those lyrium wells, shifting dimensions were both engineering and arcane marvels. 

[Feybrad]

All the dwarf endings in Origins hinted at future strife between dwarves and humans, especally regarding Brother Bartel.  If Harrrowmont got his golems then there is actual conflict as they seek humans to turn into golems.  So there is backstory for the dwarves to get involved with the human kingdoms.

 

I always found that funny, since I also asked for the Boon to help the Dwarves battle the Darkspawn. My Ending said, Humans send Medicine and Equipment to Orzammar... and also had a small War with them over Branka's Raids. Shizophreniac Humans, man!

 

Anyway: My Bro Harrowmont is going to kick human and demon Butt, if they ever show up in Orzammar. And I will help him.

[adorkable-panda]

somewhat on and off topic but this is Sandal's prophecy stated in game, which is pretty much proof that they had all of the baseline ideas for Inquisition laid out when DA2 was still in development. The first video is actual in game capture, the second video is the same voice track played over some cool matching Inquisition clips ;D

 

 

[Vaseldwa]

As a mainly dwarf player I am also concerned about the "relevance" of a dwarf inquisitor. I mean unless we are definitely going to kal-sharok (because of the bad blood between them and house cadash) , I don't see us being all that special other then having a glowing hand. I mean besides being the only dwarf that can do something "magic like" by closing fade tears. I am having a hard time thinking of a situation where being a dwarf will have an advantage over being any other race. Of course going into the deep roads could be easier as a dwarf, like with dwarven history and finding out more of what the ancient dwarves were like and were up too. In a few of the trailers we have been seeing dwarven statues here and there, maybe that is a clue to something idk. I just dont want to feel like the just there race! 

[adorkable-panda]

As a mainly dwarf player I am also concerned about the "relevance" of a dwarf inquisitor. I mean unless we are definitely going to kal-sharok (because of the bad blood between them and house cadash) , I don't see us being all that special other then having a glowing hand. I mean besides being the only dwarf that can do something "magic like" by closing fade tears. I am having a hard time thinking of a situation where being a dwarf will have an advantage over being any other race. Of course going into the deep roads could be easier as a dwarf, like with dwarven history and finding out more of what the ancient dwarves were like and were up too. In a few of the trailers we have been seeing dwarven statues here and there, maybe that is a clue to something idk. I just dont want to feel like the just there race! 

I feel the exact same way about the Qunari addition, but it's truly a dilemma xD Bioware makes the game human only, fans riot, bioware makes races available a lot of people complain about relevance, there's no making anybody happy, but I'm sure the creators are making every choice important, down to the choice of race and gender so I wouldn't worry too much about it