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I thought about this topic a bit more and:

My biggest reason for playing as a human would be that they are neutral spectators in the conflicts

 

I think you just described perfectly why I don't want to play humans.

 

I don't want to be a neutral spectator that sits back and watches other people care while mine doesn't. I want to be challenged, invigorated, and impassioned when I role-play. I want to explore other fantasy cultures from the perspective of someone in it, not sit back and watch from the perspective of an outside. I want to feel personally invested in the conflicts around me, not passively sit back.

 

If I want to neutrally sit back and watch conflict without feeling personally invested, I'd watch a movie. Movies are a neutral medium that requires people to just watch. Games are a very interactive medium, and role-playing games (generally) have you create a character whose shoes you walk into as they explore, interact with, and change aspects of a fictional world. If I'm going to play a character who's part of and creates changes in a fictional world, I want to feel as invested as possible, not just feel like my character is going through the motions because the script says so.

 

Like the Human Noble in DA:O he visits all these different places the Dalish camp, Orzammar but he isn't really personally involved in them

Its more like a clean slate in most matters where there are several parties involved and he gets to know both of them on a neutral basis

 

BO-RING!

 

At least in my opinion.

 

In contrast by choosing a Dalish Elf you have this huge backstory and you basically have to hate humans and like the Dalish or as a Dwarven Noble you have to give a **** about Orzammar and the politics there and as a Qunari Vashoth you also have this whole culture history

and If you play them more normal like a Human well whats the point then( meaning that as a Dalish Elf you don't give a **** about the Dalish)

 

Hell even as a Human Mage you are deeply invested in the Mages vs Templars conflict

 

Not necessarily. You're more emotionally invested because you were born and raised among this culture, but you don't have to feel passionately involved in it the way the game says you should. You don't have to "hate humans" or love the Dalish, you don't have to give a **** about Orzammar politics (especially since both origins ended with you nearly being executed by your society at large), and involve you . I think a huge part of the fun is looking at these cultures and values, create a character from it, and explore how this culture affected your character and affects how they feel about it and others today.

 

Besides, it's not like if you play an elf, dwarf, or mage, you suddenly feel more invested in every conflict than you do as a human. Dalish might invested in the Dalish and possibly other elves, but not also Orzammar, the mage/Templar, Ferelden politics, etc. Dwarf to Orzammar but not Dalish, mage/Templar, Ferelden politics, etc. None more than a human noble who feels invested in avenging their family and sorting out Ferelden politics, but doesn't care about other cultural conflicts.

 

Actually, now that I think on this, isn't it a tad hypocritical? If you play a human noble, doesn't that mean you're required to feel sad when the Couslands die, want to regain your family's privilege, hate and want to get revenge on Arl Howe, and give two shits about Ferelden and the politics therein? And if you play Hawke in DA2, doesn't that mean you have to care about your family, have to feel sad when the first sibling dies, have to want to regain the family mansion (****** greedy Leandra), have to feel torn up when Leandra's killed, have to care what happens to Kirkwall since you're now a privileged noble living in Hightown, etc?. And since Hawke's father was a mage and has one mage sibling, doesn't that mean you're required to feel invested in the mage/Templar conflict?

 

It's not like the Dalish, Orzammar dwarves, and mages are the ONLY ONES with some personal investment in the things you encounter in-game. And it's not like they necessarily have more personal investment in more cultures than the human noble (unless you're an elf, I guess) since being part of the Dalish, Orzammar, Circle, etc. is any more than being part of the Ferelden human nobility. Every character from every background has some connection to said background and culture. Unless you want to play an emotionally detached sociopath (which you can do with any character of any race), odds are there's some faction in the game your character is supposed to feel some connection to.

 

I personally just can't connect to the Andrastian human culture or human nobility.

 

I suppose thats why I always pick a human warrior, Picking a Human Mage is basically like another race with way too much baggage

So a Human Warrior or Rouge (it doesn't really matter in terms of story) is the right choice for me

I know that again like in Origins (where I always picked human noble I tried the others but never even went to Lothering) I will miss much of the replay value but what can you do?

 

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be offensive, but I just don't understand how apathy and detachment is a good thing.

 

Why go through a game if you don't care about what's going on around you?


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#227
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I play as a non-human mainly because it differs from the norm. One problem I have with many, many RPGs is that they are way too human-centric. Mass Effect's way of portraying humans as these stepped-on underdogs who then rose to be the most important race in Citadel-space downright angered me. It came across as some sort of weird, racist propaganda against fictional races, "Look at how effing efficient, badass, important and downright superior we humans are compared to those other races!" I know it's a fantasy but it felt weird.

 

What I really loved about DA:O was that not only did we get the choice to play different races, we got the opportunity to see and experience different cultures from their own perspective, as opposed to games that use humans to ground people in a sense of familiarity. You know what it's like to be a human so they don't have to try as hard to immerse you in your character.

 

I'm really looking forward to play as a Qunari in Inquisition, because that particular race-choice will make my character stand out even further among a sea of humans. Hopefully, there will be plenty of race-checks that will make it clear that yes, I am playing a character of a race that is less trusted than humans.



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I play all classes, all races, and both genders. There are different ways to approach the game. Don't limit your enjoyment to only one playthrough.


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Because I'm more of an immersive RPGer, I tend to stick to female and near any class.  Oh, and pretty, but that's subjective. LOL  Dang, if I could make a Dwarf look pretty, to me, I'd play her too!  So far, though,no luck.  No hate!  But no luck! ;)



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as i know from main russians sites they will be no more ~30-39% who will play humans at all(most play as mages and hate Orlais Templars, Orlais Chantry and Orlais Empire(with their Chivaliers and bards),  Qunari...and many do not like Antiva and their Crowns)

 

and as i know at least half of them will always pick other races too...so it would be just, no more ~10-14% who will play only humans



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Well in terms of DA:I, I'm not really interested in playing a qunari or dwarf, mainly because I feel that being a Vashoth/suface dwarf removes most of the interesting cultural aspects of these races. I can understand the decision to choose these since it makes them easier to fit into the story, but it's not the same as DA:O.



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I picked human noble in DA:O only because it made the most sense to me storywise (motiviation for joining grey wardens, arl howe main villian in the story..)

 

 

On your first playthrough? Did you just spoil the whole game for yourself before ever playing it? 

 

I only ever play as a human in games (on my first playthrough) if the non-human races are all ugly. 



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my first pick probably

 

but for more play throughs i will try more options I guess :P



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For myself the first play through is human mainly so I can get the lay of the land. It is a very basic play though. I play as a warrior. And then I can truly appreciate how different the the other play throughs are as a different race.

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I like playing humans cause they're the easiest to get really into for me. And yeah my humans tend to be the more neutral type (the stoics XD) it's fun.



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Because i'm a human

 

duh



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Each to their own.I'm going with elf and then qunari.

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In DA: O i played as dwarf first 'cause of spell resistence. I'm going with elf now 'cause Dales , Eluvians and stuff. Human doesn't tell me anything, it's just an other fereldan like Hawke. I already played as a dwarf, and kossith seems out of place to me, a gimmick. So I'll play as elf, and I'm glad they gave me options.



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Elf mage...hated by all! (Come at me, bro)  and I'm not shutting down a thing...going to reform it all.  The circle - now a mage stronghold, a circle of power - mage soldiers for the cause...what cause? Which ever we want!  Templars? Protect what u will....dose as u choose....but you no longer run the mages. Don't need those Templars telling us what to do...mages police themselves. Quanari can do their own thing...as long as it doesn't mess with my thing. The Chantry....chant on....light your candles, sing your songs, but u and the Templars r put on notice......do not mess with the Circle...because all gloves r off. ELF MAGE running this now....holler if u hear it!



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Was it worth to include all these different races when most people even on this forum where the hardcore

fans are will pick human ?

What do you think? Why do people pick human?

 

I picked human noble in DA:O only because it made the most sense to me storywise (motiviation for joining grey wardens, arl howe main villian in the story..)

 

I'm definitely planning on picking Qunari this time but if the story is better if you are human (DA:I in the beginning :human only) then I will reconsider

So what do you think?

 

I pick everything they offer in multiple playthroughs, just like I did in DAO. Honestly, I don't understand how anyone can come to a BioWare game and only pick 1 character or do a single playthrough. That blows my mind! Just think of all the amazing content you would miss out on.

 

So, to answer the OP, I don't think offering other races is a waste at all. In fact, there are many fans on these forums that would not even be buying DAI if they didn't include other playable races.



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I'm going to play human first for sure but I think since they are going to make each race actually have somewhat more of an effect on the story than it did in DAO, I'll definitely play all races and classes.

 

For DAO, race selection really didn't have all that much of an influence in the game other than the human noble.



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When ever I play a pen and Paper RPG, I always go for Non-Standard skill monkeys.

Be it a Drow blooded Elf who is a mix between Tucker(from RvB) and MacGuyver, or a Ratfolk sniper who is the face man of the party. I always go for something both out there but workable.

In Dragon Age: Origins my mains are both Elves(a male City Elf, and a female Elf Mage) both were devout andrastisns but the Elven Rouge tried to climb as high in the politics of Ferelden, where as the Elven Mage was smart & intuitive wile being in awe of the beauty of the world outside of her tower.

Both of these characters where (in my mind) enhanced by the fact they where Elves. And the lack of Racial choices in DA2 sucked, but what ever DA:I has Racial options again.

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Well John_Shepard, it's like this. I'm a human female IRL. I like my humanity. Hell, I love being human. I have no scales, no tail, no pointy ears, or cloved feet.

 

I'm made in the maker's image!

 

'nuf said. :P

 

note: I will play an elf toon on my second playthru. I like their storyline (City and Dalish).



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I find the whole I am a human therefor when I play myself I am a human really interesting. The other "races" essentially play the role of marginalized racial/cultural groups and allows for a discussion of racism without having racial divisions amongst humans.

Personally I played a city elf in DA:O because I identified much more with being an inner city trouble maker who gets discriminated against rather than with someone who is well off i.e human noble storyline. Other races allow for allegories about types of humans... and I find that more interesting (and more relatable) than to play a human who came from owning mass wealth and who has servants.

I also think it would be worth seeing how many people just go as fast as possible through the character creation screen as possible, which in most games usually means defaulting to a male human (usually warrior). Over 50% of Mass Effect 3 players played as a soldier, but possibly that is because that is the first class in the menu (i.e. the donkey vote). It would be good to have either a randomly selected "default" when you start up a game or  for the developers to have the default as what they would expect to be a rare character pick and see how many people just select it.

 

So it looks like I was right. Now that we know human rogues and warriors come from a nobel background, it appears humanity first and foremost appears to be representing somone from a rulling class background.



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I will pick playing as a Human because I am a Human, I just can't identify with a Qunari or other non-Human character.



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I will pick playing as a Human because I am a Human, I just can't identify with a Qunari or other non-Human character.

 

And based on your user name you identify with people who have lots of money. Way to reinforce my point :-)



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Because its the most aesthetically appealing race appearance so far.

 

I will be taller than you.

I will be stronger than you.

I will be more Templar than you.

I get a chin goatee. 

 

And I get to look like a Klingon. 



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And based on your user name you identify with people who have lots of money. Way to reinforce my point :-)

 

So he can play a rich human that was born into power and that's the only thing that he understands.

Or he can play a human that is fed up with the uptightness of highborn society and becomes renegade

Or perhaps one that only cared about war and combat.

Or a rake like the protagonist of Assassin's Creed 2

Or someone with an underlying psychological condition like a bipolar.

 

I can keep going forever. Just because you identify with humans more doesn't mean you can't roleplay something totally alien. It requires as much imagination and creativity to roleplay a fleshed out human as any other race. You are only limited by the game.



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Because human master race.

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