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Supposedly the Ciriane and Inghirsh have intermixed, but I wouldn't be surprised if the nobility had more 'purity' than commoners. It would also serve as a way to distinguish those of noble birth from the lower classes.

Well if that is the case then that would explain a difference to some extent in features facial or otherwise, would you be able to link a source for conformation?


It's on the wiki. The original source is the CE strategy guide for DA:O. I wouldn't be surprised if they talked about it in World of Thedas as well.
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I had no idea most Fereldens were Clayne or Avvar. I thought Avvars were in the west. Alammari was east/Denerim. I figured the regional differences still applied, even if the pool had been mixed over the years.

 

The Clayne are Alamarri too actually. Alamarri just seems like a catch-all for a bunch of different cultures who were united only in some similarity in language or customs, rather than by a shared ethnic ancestry. Kind of like the Celts or Germani I guess, for a real world comparison.



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Edit:Double post


Modifié par Tenebrae, 03 juillet 2014 - 05:10 .


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I'll just also add that Celene is playing games. She already knows who Leliana is, and just trying to get her to talk more about herself.



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The Clayne are Alamarri too actually. Alamarri just seems like a catch-all for a bunch of different cultures who were united only in some similarity in language or customs, rather than by a shared ethnic ancestry. Kind of like the Celts or Germani I guess, for a real world comparison.

 

Ah didn't know that. Never knew about the Clayne, except for a couple mentions in the games.



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Ok if anyone want a direct quote from the wiki here you go:

 

"Two of the human tribes that arrived in Thedas, the Ciriane and Inghirsh, settled in the region that became known as Orlais and were the ancestors of modern Orlesians. The Ciriane settled in central Orlais and were loosely defined and culturally rich. The Inghirsh, who settled in north Orlais, were easily defeated in their conflict against the Neromenians, as they were a decentralized and nomadic people. The Ciriane people, on the other hand, were largely isolated and remained a strong and distinct group until the founding of Orlais. In modern times, Ciriane culture has all but disappeared"

 

Also:

"When the Alamarri peoples first split from Neromenians and migrated south in -1220 TE,[3] they found a new homeland and called it "Ferelden", which means "fertile valley" in their tongue.[4] However, the fertile valley did not become a nation for another 2800 years. This period of time is littered with numerous wars the Alamarri tribes waged, both with foreign powers such as the Tevinter Imperium, as well as their fellow tribes. During that time the Alamarri developed their political system which remains largely intact to this day. With time, powerful nobles would turn their land into bannorns, then arlings, and finally teyrnirs. The nobles continued the Alamarri tradition of infighting and continued to fight with each other over petty matters in order to gain more power. A few of the most powerful Alamarri put forward their bid for kingship over the Alamarri, but without success."

 

In short Maria was right, thank you for settling whether or not they were different ethnicities.


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Thank you, that clears that one up.   Pity they don't show a bit more difference in the game but that is just nitpicking.   Orlesians and Fereldens look different.



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Celene herself has no striking differences with Maric/Cailain or Anora. Or Andraste, for that matter. They're all pale, blue eyed, and blonde.

 

Then on the other hand, Fereldens could be pale and dark haired. Fem Hawke, Morrigan (and supposedly Flemeth in her youth), Loghain.

 

I don't think there's any real standard features to rely on.



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This is a game series that has had the elves look different for every game.

There is setting lore, and in that lore, Fereldens and Orlesians generally have different features. Unsurprisingly, that's not shown in the game and comics. Orlesians and the Tevinter also have their own language, but I doubt we'll ever hear it.

However, the question asked was about the novel. Patrick is reflecting the setting lore (which the writers came up with) and not the look of people in the game (which is the work of character artist.)

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I'm not being picky about it btw. Just pointing it out. Celene could pass as Ferelden herself, visually. Kind of illustrating how little any of this matters in execution. I think it'd be too much of a hassle to literally develop varying European appearances.


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