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[chance52]

So I've seen some video's and screenshots.  Saw the E3 demo, some promotional items and many of the character profiles but I really have no idea what this game is about outside of the romance options, which seem to be the main focus of many articles out there.

 

Here is what I know:

-World is in trouble cause of 'reasons'

-You play the only one that can close the fade tears popping up everywhere

-You work to get allies to build some sort of army

-You attack the Grey Wardens, who I guess are now bad guy's for some reason?

 

 

As to why you need an army in the first place I'm not sure.  I know mages and templars are in conflict and the chantry is in charge of templars so are you building an army to pick a side in the conflict? Or to fight the demons coming out of the fade? Or some other reason?  I've seen about 3 dozen articles and twice that many threads in a few different forums and that's all I know about the story. But I feel like I could tell you every party member you can possibly romance, and how and what type of person they are, what their back stories are, etc.

 

Honestly this is seeming like a dating sim from the articles Ive seen and you just happen to save the world on a side quest while the main plot revolves around 'how to get a date in times of war.' Ok, maybe that part is a stretch haha.  But am I just missing all the articles talking about what the story is or are there not really any out there that tell you more than what I've posted? Honest question.

[Althix]

and since when GW are good guys? anyway

 

- well we will find out when we play it.

- yeah agree "the Choosen one" idea stinks.

- have some impact on a gameplay i guess. like a keep in NWN2 just better (i hope).

- as i said. most likely they just got in the way. and i wouldn't describe the wardens as a good guys in general.

 

about dating sim. yes sometimes i have this feeling that BW should just quit with all that rpg stuff and start to make visual novels or date sims. because it's so much more important than decent combat mechanics or a plot.

[MisterJB]

Why would anyone ever not need an army?

[Althix]

group of specialists is just better than army in some cases.

 

assassinations.

sabotage.

reconnaissance.

incitement.

espionage.

investigations.

raids.

 

oh wait...

[Maria Caliban]

After a disaster kills several powerful and important people, Breaches start appearing over Ferelden and Orlais that let demons into the world.

You rebuild an ancient organization called the Inquisition tasked with sealing the Breach, but you're also working to end the current chaos (various wars.) You're creating a power base because you're appointing yourself world police and will need military and economic might to impose your will.

group of specialists is just better than army in some cases.

assassinations.
sabotage.
reconnaissance.
incitement.
espionage.
investigations.
raids.

oh wait...

Soldiers can do all of that. And even if you have non-soldiers doing that, it's still good to have an army.

[Yanagi_Uxinta]

From what I know:

 

- The world is in trouble because someone - we don't know who - opened the Breach in the Veil, causing the demon invasion. This person will (we're assuming) be the main antagonist of the game. So there's a reason behind the world being in danger.

- Correct. Why we're the only one who can do this/survived the Breach, again, we don't know. I imagine most of these questions will be left unanswered until we actually play the game, since they'd be pretty huge spoilers.

- I've not heard much about the army thing, I'll be honest, but since there's an army of demons pouring into the world, civil wars all over the place etc., we're probably going to need an army to fix everything.

- We don't know much about the Grey Warden attack scene in the trailer. I think some people have speculated that it's an optional branch - like the Crestwood Village scenario (save it, save the wounded, save the fortress). So we only fight the Wardens according to choices we make. This is all speculation as far as I'm aware though.

[Tenebrae]

As to why you need an army in the first place I'm not sure.  I know mages and templars are in conflict and the chantry is in charge of templars so are you building an army to pick a side in the conflict? Or to fight the demons coming out of the fade? Or some other reason?  I've seen about 3 dozen articles and twice that many threads in a few different forums and that's all I know about the story. But I feel like I could tell you every party member you can possibly romance, and how and what type of person they are, what their back stories are, etc.

 

You should always have an army, a military arm under your personal control does wonders towards achieving your goals, as Sun Tzu says:

 

"The art of war is of vital importance to the State. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence it is a subject of inquiry which can on no account be neglected"

 

While he is talking about military doctrine and tradition and its application towards the state, I believe it applies to your inquiry as well as it stress the importance of an armed force.

 

This summarizes everything, you cannot achieve any goal as a state like apparatus without an army.

[chance52]

and since when GW are good guys? anyway

 

- well we will find out when we play it.

- yeah agree "the Choosen one" idea stinks.

- have some impact on a gameplay i guess. like a keep in NWN2 just better (i hope).

- as i said. most likely they just got in the way. and i wouldn't describe the wardens as a good guys in general.

 

about dating sim. yes sometimes i have this feeling that BW should just quit with all that rpg stuff and start to make visual novels or date sims. because it's so much more important than decent combat mechanics or a plot.

 

Haha, well the Wardens are treated like the 'good guy's' in both games, to be fair I only have 2 of the books, I just never got around to reading them and they might cast the wardens in another light.  Honestly I dont even mind romance in a rpg, I would just like to play a fantasy game that has some romance in it rather than a romance game that has some fantasy in it.

Why would anyone ever not need an army?

Haha. fair point.

 

After a disaster kills several powerful and important people, Breaches start appearing over Ferelden and Orlais that let demons into the world.

You rebuild an ancient organization called the Inquisition tasked with sealing the Breach, but you're also working to end the current chaos (various wars.) You're creating a power base because you're appointing yourself world police and will need military and economic might to impose your will.


Soldiers can do all of that. And even if you have non-soldiers doing that, it's still good to have an army.

 

This is really helpful, thank you!  That also explains why you are leader of the Inquisition that appears to do no inquisiting, since its just the name of the group, not the thing you are doing.

From what I know:

 

- The world is in trouble because someone - we don't know who - opened the Breach in the Veil, causing the demon invasion. This person will (we're assuming) be the main antagonist of the game. So there's a reason behind the world being in danger.

- Correct. Why we're the only one who can do this/survived the Breach, again, we don't know. I imagine most of these questions will be left unanswered until we actually play the game, since they'd be pretty huge spoilers.

- I've not heard much about the army thing, I'll be honest, but since there's an army of demons pouring into the world, civil wars all over the place etc., we're probably going to need an army to fix everything.

- We don't know much about the Grey Warden attack scene in the trailer. I think some people have speculated that it's an optional branch - like the Crestwood Village scenario (save it, save the wounded, save the fortress). So we only fight the Wardens according to choices we make. This is all speculation as far as I'm aware though.

 

Thank you, this is helpful. I was feeling like I was missing some important parts as to why the characters were going around the world doing what they were doing and knowing that someone hidden is actively putting the world in danger makes more sense then just building an army to seal tears only you can seal anyway.

You should always have an army, a military arm under your personal control does wonders towards achieving your goals, as Sun Tzu says:

 

"The art of war is of vital importance to the State. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence it is a subject of inquiry which can on no account be neglected"

 

While he is talking about military doctrine and tradition and its application towards the state, I believe it applies to your inquiry as well as it stress the importance of an armed force.

 

This summarizes everything, you cannot achieve any goal as a state like apparatus without an army.

 

I never would have thought of looking that far back to gain insight on this plot but you make a good case. Thank you for the reply!

[Althix]

Soldiers can do all of that. 

*sigh*

he was asking about the army. and when we are talking about the army, we are talking about platoon's size group of people.

 

these "specialists" i was talking about have a military training and as result they were serving in the army.

anyway. if i have to choose between private Ryan and Mr.Green from SFOD-Delta, i would pick Mr. Green because of obvious reasons.

 

now, these party members of ours are supposed to be Mr. Green, Mr. White, Mr. Black etc.

[Raikas]

  Honetly I dont even mind romance in a rpg, I would just like to play a fantasy game that has some romance in it rather than a romance game that has some fantasy in it.

 

 

To be fair, I think they've released so much romance/character info as a way of keeping away from spoiling too much of the main plot.  Personally, I know I'd rather be surprised (and yes, I suppose I could avoid spoilers entirely by not being on forums at all during the lead-up, but hey), so I'd rather they release romance/character info than plot info even if it does leave a few people confused about the focus of the game. 

[Han Shot First]

We don't know why the Inquisition is attacking the Grey Wardens yet. It could be that it is entirely optional. Or maybe there are valid reasons within the story for attacking them, that won't be revealed until you play the game.

 

One fan theory that has been put forward are that the Wardens in question have come under the spell of Corypheus. The end of the Legacy DLC implied that he has a respawn ability similar to the archdemon, and that his soul possessed either Larius or Janeka, depending on whom you sided with. It is also known that he can mentally influence some Grey Wardens, as he did with Janeka. (she even realizes it and admits it, if you side with her)

 

Another theory is that those Grey Wardens delved into the primeval thaig, as Nathaniel Howe was on a mission to follow Hawke's footsteps in DA2, and that they brought back red lyrium. Red lyrium can drive people to madness, as we've seen with Bartrand and Meredith.

 

Take your pick.

[azarhal]

I though the story was:

 

Big bad blow up lots of people -> cause everything to fall into chaos and ****** off Cassandra -> pissed off Cassandra decide she is going to drag the world kicking and screaming back into a semblance of order (and find the culprit)

 

I still have no idea why the PC is made Inquisitor beside making a good "he is the Maker's savior" propaganda speech with the glowing hand that can close the mini-breaches.

[MisterJB]

I though the story was:

 

Big bad blow up lots of people -> cause everything to fall into chaos and ****** off Cassandra -> pissed off Cassandra decide she is going to drag the world kicking and screaming back into a semblance of order (and find the culprit)

 

I still have no idea why the PC is made Inquisitor beside making a good "he is the Maker's savior" propaganda speech with the glowing hand that can close the mini-breaches.

Maybe Bioware created a PC so shrewd that, despite Cassandra's attempt to use him/her as a figurehead, the Inquisitor will be capable, through much political maneveuring, of becoming the leader of the Inquisition in more than name.

 

...ahahahahaahah Yeah right.

[Milan92]

Maybe Bioware created a PC so shrewd that, despite Cassandra's attempt to use him/her as a figurehead, the Inquisitor will be capable, through much political maneveuring, of becoming the leader of the Inquisition in more than name.

 

...ahahahahaahah Yeah right.

 

Are you gonna name your human male Tywin?

[MisterJB]

Are you gonna name your human male Tywin?

In this point, I'm going to agree with Cersei. There is only one Tywin and nobody else is worthy of the name.

[MisterJB]

Man, you really can't win with gamers.

 

First people were complaining because Hawke was just an every man and DA II was a personal story.

 

Now they are complaining because Inquisition has the opposite - a messianic figure tasked with saving the world.

We're just wondering how Bioware intends to convince us our PC is capable of, reslistically, leading the Inquisition.

Realistically, you'd expect someone, probably Cassandra, would use him/her as a figurehead with no power at best and, at worst, cutting the magic hand off and use it themselves.

[chance52]

Man, you really can't win with gamers.

 

First people were complaining because Hawke was just an every man and DA II was a personal story.

 

Now they are complaining because Inquisition has the opposite - a messianic figure tasked with saving the world.

 

I've seen a lot of 'I hate DA2 because....' threads, I've never once seen that complaint about Hawke.

 

The only thing I can think of that came close to that was people saying Hawke had zero impact on the story, that everything that happened would have happened had he/she been there doing stuff or not. And that argument is a bit thin, without Hawke the Qunari probably would have held the city, at least for a time.

 

Also 'the chosen one' protagonist is a common complaint across all games that have it, as being over used and is in no way specific to DA or even BioWare for that matter.

[VilhoDog13]

I forget where, don't as me, but you can actually downplay the chosen one aspect.

 

If you want to be the chosen one you can be just that. If you don't, there's the option to play that way as well.

[Panda]

Something big has happened and peace meeting while lot of important people from mages, templars and chantry seemed to be gathered died. You were here as well and you are only survivor and you have fade hand that can close fade tears. Fade tears have been opening all over Thedas and they are letting demons to real world. You need to stop this. There is also main villain, the Big Bad who is behind of fade tears but we don't know anything else about him/her yet.

 

World is in chaos because of these fade tears and you are trying to get it in order and also you need support for closing the fade tears. This is why you have army with advisors and companions who are all big shots (it seems). All bad stuff has happened like there is red lyrium templars who aren't with chantry and are turning into monsters and you need to fight against them. Maybe GW's oppose you in some point as well or are evil (they aren't necessary good guys) so seem to have to fight them as well. Also in one trailer there was Tevinter magister doing bad things in Redcliff so you need to get rid of him as well.

 

I think there is lot of conflicts in the game that you need to solve out. Templars vs mages vs chantry is probaply one of them. Remember that all templars aren't under Chantry anymore in DAI, there is red lyrium templars who seems to be rebels.

[Helios969]

@chance52:  Yeah, I hear you on the dating sim comment.  I think though it's more a byproduct of fanboys/girls and their ten thousand posts speculating on romances, complaining about speculative romances, or simply fantasizing about romances.  I swear there's a dozen new threads started daily about Cassandra being bi, or why is Sera only lesbian, or why won't they tell me Cullen's sexual orientation, or I'm mad at you Bioware for not giving me the romance and sexual orientation choice I want...  It makes me want to shoot myself in the head.  I admit I appreciate having romance options but only as a way to enhance the story experience.  I think I'm gonna dig on Sera, and knowing that she is a female only romance I will create a female character in order to have that option.  If she wasn't, no biggy.  I'm just stoked about playing a massive and epic campaign in what appears to be a gorgeous world with awesome looking combat.  All those other little aspects Bioware provides are just gravy and I'll take what I can get.

[KainD]

Why would anyone ever not need an army?

Because if you want something done right, do it yourself.

[azarhal]

Man, you really can't win with gamers.

 

First people were complaining because Hawke was just an every man and DA II was a personal story.

 

Now they are complaining because Inquisition has the opposite - a messianic figure tasked with saving the world.

 

I don't think it's the same people complaining.

 

Also, so far we know that Cassandra is the one who put the Inquisition in motion and she's a wee bit too "take charge" and "driven" to exactly leave all the control to a random dude even if they have a glowy hand and the Maker might be involved.

 

Which tells me that the marketing is exaggerating, just like their tag line of "fight with Legends" should be "fight with a Legend". There is one legendary member among the companions: Cassandra. The rest are people well known among their peers (Dorian, Vivienne, Blackwall, Iron Bull) or somewhat nobodies (Solas, Cole, Sera). Varric might be known because of his books, but that's not exactly legend material.

[chance52]

@chance52:  Yeah, I hear you on the dating sim comment.  I think though it's more a byproduct of fanboys/girls and their ten thousand posts speculating on romances, complaining about speculative romances, or simply fantasizing about romances.  I swear there's a dozen new threads started daily about Cassandra being bi, or why is Sera only lesbian, or why won't they tell me Cullen's sexual orientation, or I'm mad at you Bioware for not giving me the romance and sexual orientation choice I want...  It makes me want to shoot myself in the head.  I admit I appreciate having romance options but only as a way to enhance the story experience.  I think I'm gonna dig on Sera, and knowing that she is a female only romance I will create a female character in order to have that option.  If she wasn't, no biggy.  I'm just stoked about playing a massive and epic campaign in what appears to be a gorgeous world with awesome looking combat.  All those other little aspects Bioware provides are just gravy and I'll take what I can get.

 

Yeah I feel the same way, if it's well written and part of the story it makes no difference to me.  But with all these articles and announcements on who can date whom overshadowing every other aspect of the game sometimes I wonder where they found the time to put in anything else!  I sure hope all these simply amount to just fanboy/girl hopes and dreams about romance because I really don't want to play a game that's 95% romance options haha.

[Jayken]

I'm kind of wondering why the Inquisitor is made into the head of the Inquisition. From everything that's been released it would make sense that either Cassandra or Leliana would be in charge. Sure we have the fade plugging hand but that doesn't necessarily make us leader material. We could just as easily operate under Cassandra (giggity) as lead her. I guessing that the Inquisitor isn't just some random schlub that got lucky.