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[aTigerslunch]

The romance part is basically a sidequest in respect of the whole scheme of things. Its better to focus on them cause it doesn't require much spoiling of what the main story is and will be. Gameplay *shrugs*  I saw now two vidoes of gameplay and don't really have much more than whats shown to be told about now. The wheel however would be something to view yet. \

 

So, any specifics of story points discussed, Id rather not be told till I am playing. Actually a huge reveal happened that I still wish I hadn't seen(spoiler tag wasn't used).   I wont share that to ruin someone else. I see the glowie hand as something needed said in game not before release. Cass looks to think the PC destroyed the place to me.

 

One question I could answer was already done earlier, the army gathering. It's raining demons, chaos needs reordered, an army would help get things back on track.

[Deflagratio]

To call Dragon Age (Any Bioware Game really) one story is doing it a disservice.

 

It's actually 10+ Stories under the overarching conflict.

 

I'm kind of wondering why the Inquisitor is made into the head of the Inquisition. From everything that's been released it would make sense that either Cassandra or Leliana would be in charge. Sure we have the fade plugging hand but that doesn't necessarily make us leader material. We could just as easily operate under Cassandra (giggity) as lead her. I guessing that the Inquisitor isn't just some random schlub that got lucky.

 

I think the Inquisitor is made into the leader by virtue of their fade-mark, which apparently is interpreted by some as a mark of divine right. It's not as preposterous as it sounds, as human society is littered with dozens of people who ascend to great power by claiming divine right with less evidence than our humble Inquisitor. I think for the most part, early in game Cassandra and Leliana will be the de facto leaders of the Inquisition until the Inquisitor himself/herself has truly proven his/her ability. (Probably by closing a prominent Fade-Tear)

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

I'm going to paraphrase Hackett here to explain why it's the Inquisitor in charge and not Cassandra or Leilanna... "You can pay a solider to march, you can pay him to take a hill, but you can't make him believe." With Cassandra or Leilanna in charge, when they would walk in to recruit people would say "what gives you the authority to tell me what to do?" What are they supposed to say? "Because I'm a BAMF and I said so"? Where as the Inquisitor can jut walk up to a Fade breach, close it and say "That does. Now help me or let the demons take you."

 

But there is much more to the game than just the fade breach. You should read the graphic novels (The Silent Grove, Until we Sleep and Those Who Speak) as well as the books (Stolen Throne, The Calling, Asunder, and Masked Empire... especially Asunder and Masked Empire) for a better understanding of what we are walking into. You have the Dragon Cult, Mage/templar war, Orlais and all it's drama, Tevinter and the Qunari. All of these play a factor in what is happening in Thedas.

 

As far as attacking the Grey Wardens, we don't know if we are attacking or taking back a Grey Warden outpost. We don't know if there is a fade breach there or if red lyrium has taken control of the Wardens. This is all speculation based off a few seconds in a demo or trailer. Only playing the game will reveal what is actually going down.

 

So why some may want to simplify the game into... Step 1: Big Boom Step 2: Something Something Step 3: Profit/Romance. It really is just a disservice to the vast world that has been created. Please go get the books and read them. It will give perspective on everything that is happening all around Thedas. Heck even watch Dawn of the Seeker (an anime film with Cassandra) and Redemption (a webseries starring Tallis).

 

But back to the original poster's question, here is the story of the game as best I can tell.

 

The world of Thedas is already in epic upheaval. The mages and templars are at war, there is a crazed sect of Templars who take red lyrium. Orlais is in the middle of a civil war between Empress Celene and Duke Gaspard. Fereldan is on edge preparing for war with Orlais as Gaspard wants the province back. Tevinter and the Qunari are still at it. There is still the after effects of the Blight to contend with as well as darkspawn wandering about. We open with the leader of the Chantry and the leader of the mage rebellion coming to the Temple of the Sacred Ashes to discuss peace. During these talks someone or something sets off an explosion that kills everyone, but our Inquisitor. Who we are and why we were present at the talks has not been revealed. The veil is ripped however and demons start pouring out from the fade, we are pulled in. When we awake or what have you to be found by Cassandra, we discover that one we are the only survivor and two we can close fade tears. Cassandra takes us into custody, presumably for questioning that ends up proving that we didn't set off the explosion, but I have read that if we are a mage we might have indirectly contributed to the fade tear.

 

Our ability to seal the rifts is what puts us in charge of the Inquisition (speculation, but makes the most sense IMHO). An ancient backdoor organization created to help in times of severe trouble. It is not part of the Chantry nor does it answer to them though the Chantry was going to implement this Plan B if the peace talks failed. Our job is to restore order to Thedas. Close the fade rifts. Create an army to combat the demons. And find out who or what was responsible for the catastrophe in the first place and stop them. All the while having to deal with the plethora of issues that was already plaguing Thedas. We have to navigate the delicate balance of military might and political intrigue before everyone in Thedas is doomed. 

 

Hopefully this helps original poster Check out those books by the way, they will assist immensely me thinks.

[SurelyForth]

The romance part is basically a sidequest in respect of the whole scheme of things.

 

Nope. The cat is out of the bag. The entire game is romance. All the nice new areas, the vast landscapes yearning to be explored by an intrepid band of adventurers? Actually just resort property to serve as a romantic backdrop to the Inquisitor's many, many dates with their companions and other nubile/strapping conquests.

 

Also, the goal of the Inquisition is to get the Inquisitor laid. It's kinda like The Dating Game, but with more dragons and bloodshed.

 

I mean, a little dragon and bloodshed. Don't want to cut into the romance content that everyone swears is, like, 99% of the game but which is, seriously, like 1% of the game so can you please stop being myopic and do a tiny amount of research before coming in here and starting another thread that is, in part, to slam people who would rather hear about companions (and yes, romance, because that sort of thing keeps people's minds off of the interminable wait to release) than risk getting spoiled by details about the story itself?

[Ailith Tycane]

As to why you need an army in the first place I'm not sure.

 

So you expect people to just take you seriously when you try and disrupt the status quo because you have a glowy thingy on your hand?

 

Tread softly and carry a big stick. And by big stick I mean big ass army. 

[azarhal]

I'm going to paraphrase Hackett here to explain why it's the Inquisitor in charge and not Cassandra or Leilanna... "You can pay a solider to march, you can pay him to take a hill, but you can't make him believe." With Cassandra or Leilanna in charge, when they would walk in to recruit people would say "what gives you the authority to tell me what to do?" What are they supposed to say? "Because I'm a BAMF and I said so"? Where as the Inquisitor can jut walk up to a Fade breach, close it and say "That does. Now help me or let the demons take you."

Cassandra already recruited people before the game even started, seems to me that she has no problem making people believe...

[Assassino01]

Cassandra already recruited people before the game even started, seems to me that she has no problem making people believe...

 

Being able to hire people into your organization isn't the same as making them believe though. 

 

Cassandra is a terrific fighter and an intimidating person. But she doesn't strike me as the most charismatic or capable leader as such. 

[Gervaise]

The bit about the Inquisition already being there before the big bang has left me a bit puzzled.   You see I thought the Inquisition was being created to fill the void left by the death of the Divine and leaders of other factions at the peace conference.   However, I have now read that the uniform that Leliana and Cassandra are wearing at the end of DA2 is not only that of the Seekers but also that of the Inquisition and it is the latter that they represent at that point and I thought that was immediately before the events at the beginning of DAI.

 

Now I can understand why the Divine might have decided to rebrand the Seekers, since the original ones have for the most part rebelled against her.   I can also see why the need to investigate matters beyond just the mage/Templar situation might have occurred to her, though not of course with the urgency that a big whole in the sky would make.   However, I'm a little more confused where the Inquisitor fits into this as "head" of the organisation.    Certainly, if it is already in existence, then it is not your organisation but simply one that you join and perhaps get persuaded to act as a figurehead for.   Who is  really in control?    Also, we were assured that we did not have to buy into the religious icon idea, or belief in the Maker, or following the Chantry, if we did not want to but if this organisation was set up by the Divine or those loyal to her, then essentially it is a Chantry affiliate.    So I await with interest the actual explanation for what is going on and how the PC fits into it. 

[chance52]

*snip for space*

 

But back to the original poster's question, here is the story of the game as best I can tell.

 

The world of Thedas is already in epic upheaval. The mages and templars are at war, there is a crazed sect of Templars who take red lyrium. Orlais is in the middle of a civil war between Empress Celene and Duke Gaspard. Fereldan is on edge preparing for war with Orlais as Gaspard wants the province back. Tevinter and the Qunari are still at it. There is still the after effects of the Blight to contend with as well as darkspawn wandering about. We open with the leader of the Chantry and the leader of the mage rebellion coming to the Temple of the Sacred Ashes to discuss peace. During these talks someone or something sets off an explosion that kills everyone, but our Inquisitor. Who we are and why we were present at the talks has not been revealed. The veil is ripped however and demons start pouring out from the fade, we are pulled in. When we awake or what have you to be found by Cassandra, we discover that one we are the only survivor and two we can close fade tears. Cassandra takes us into custody, presumably for questioning that ends up proving that we didn't set off the explosion, but I have read that if we are a mage we might have indirectly contributed to the fade tear.

 

Our ability to seal the rifts is what puts us in charge of the Inquisition (speculation, but makes the most sense IMHO). An ancient backdoor organization created to help in times of severe trouble. It is not part of the Chantry nor does it answer to them though the Chantry was going to implement this Plan B if the peace talks failed. Our job is to restore order to Thedas. Close the fade rifts. Create an army to combat the demons. And find out who or what was responsible for the catastrophe in the first place and stop them. All the while having to deal with the plethora of issues that was already plaguing Thedas. We have to navigate the delicate balance of military might and political intrigue before everyone in Thedas is doomed. 

 

Hopefully this helps original poster Check out those books by the way, they will assist immensely me thinks.

 

 

You have been extremely helpful! Thank you so much!

 

I have 2 of the books you mentioned, The Stolen Throne and The Calling but never got around to reading them. I was a bit underwhelmed by the Mass Effect books and I bought those at the same time as the DA books so by the time I was done with ME I just didn't have the motivation to go for the DA set.  But you make it sound so interesting I guess it is time to dust them off and read them haha!

 

Everything about your post is what makes me hope I'll like this game and what I was lacking when I first made this thread a few days ago, so thank you again!

[chance52]

So you expect people to just take you seriously when you try and disrupt the status quo because you have a glowy thingy on your hand?

 

Tread softly and carry a big stick. And by big stick I mean big ass army. 

 

 

Well that worked in Dishonored. Well right up until... well never mind, spoilers haha

[chance52]

The romance part is basically a sidequest in respect of the whole scheme of things. Its better to focus on them cause it doesn't require much spoiling of what the main story is and will be. Gameplay *shrugs*  I saw now two vidoes of gameplay and don't really have much more than whats shown to be told about now. The wheel however would be something to view yet. \

 

So, any specifics of story points discussed, Id rather not be told till I am playing. Actually a huge reveal happened that I still wish I hadn't seen(spoiler tag wasn't used).   I wont share that to ruin someone else. I see the glowie hand as something needed said in game not before release. Cass looks to think the PC destroyed the place to me.

 

One question I could answer was already done earlier, the army gathering. It's raining demons, chaos needs reordered, an army would help get things back on track.

 

 

Having played BioWare games before that's sort of how I assumed romance would be in the game, essentially a side quest. And while many people made the point that that is easier to release info about so that they don't spoil the story before the game is played what a few people like Lost_In_Anarchy and a few others have posted is more akin to what I was wondering about.  Enough so that I get where the story starts off and the general direction its headed as it relates to the world the main character is walking into without saying 'in act 3 after you finish up with this bad guy you discover that really...'

 

Also thanks for not spoiling whatever you know! haha.  Some jerk decided to do that with the Witcher 3 a few weeks back and I've been avoiding Witcher topics ever since! And still every so often someone in some random thread will post 'Character X does this to Character Y' and I think 'thanks for that cool guy' I really want to know that 8-9 months before playing it...

[KC_Prototype]

So I've seen some video's and screenshots.  Saw the E3 demo, some promotional items and many of the character profiles but I really have no idea what this game is about outside of the romance options, which seem to be the main focus of many articles out there.

 

Here is what I know:

-World is in trouble cause of 'reasons'

-You play the only one that can close the fade tears popping up everywhere

-You work to get allies to build some sort of army

-You attack the Grey Wardens, who I guess are now bad guy's for some reason?

 

 

As to why you need an army in the first place I'm not sure.  I know mages and templars are in conflict and the chantry is in charge of templars so are you building an army to pick a side in the conflict? Or to fight the demons coming out of the fade? Or some other reason?  I've seen about 3 dozen articles and twice that many threads in a few different forums and that's all I know about the story. But I feel like I could tell you every party member you can possibly romance, and how and what type of person they are, what their back stories are, etc.

 

Honestly this is seeming like a dating sim from the articles Ive seen and you just happen to save the world on a side quest while the main plot revolves around 'how to get a date in times of war.' Ok, maybe that part is a stretch haha.  But am I just missing all the articles talking about what the story is or are there not really any out there that tell you more than what I've posted? Honest question.

I don't seem the dating sim at all. The trailers and demos should nothing but gameplay so I don't see how you got that impression, yes there's been a lot of talk about romances but that's because of us core fans the game is much much more than that. 

[Lucijenifer]

I don't seem the dating sim at all. The trailers and demos should nothing but gameplay so I don't see how you got that impression, yes there's been a lot of talk about romances but that's because of us core fans the game is much much more than that. 

 

Bioware games are renowned for putting almost unwarranted focus on romance, as is the fanbase that frequents BSN. You only need to take a look at all of the other threads to realise that romance is the main thing on the minds of the fans. Sometimes it's easy to forget that there's other facets to the game outside of who you want to screw around with in that particular run.

 

I can't blame you guys though. Bioware's quite good at writing romances.

[Lenimph]

We don't know why the Inquisition is attacking the Grey Wardens yet. It could be that it is entirely optional. Or maybe there are valid reasons within the story for attacking them, that won't be revealed until you play the game.

One fan theory that has been put forward are that the Wardens in question have come under the spell of Corypheus. The end of the Legacy DLC implied that he has a respawn ability similar to the archdemon, and that his soul possessed either Larius or Janeka, depending on whom you sided with. It is also known that he can mentally influence some Grey Wardens, as he did with Janeka. (she even realizes it and admits it, if you side with her)

Another theory is that those Grey Wardens delved into the primeval thaig, as Nathaniel Howe was on a mission to follow Hawke's footsteps in DA2, and that they brought back red lyrium. Red lyrium can drive people to madness, as we've seen with Bartrand and Meredith.

Take your pick.

Aww I have to pick one? Why can't it be both

[VilhoDog13]

But back to the original poster's question, here is the story of the game as best I can tell.

The world of Thedas is already in epic upheaval. The mages and templars are at war, there is a crazed sect of Templars who take red lyrium. Orlais is in the middle of a civil war between Empress Celene and Duke Gaspard. Fereldan is on edge preparing for war with Orlais as Gaspard wants the province back. Tevinter and the Qunari are still at it. There is still the after effects of the Blight to contend with as well as darkspawn wandering about. We open with the leader of the Chantry and the leader of the mage rebellion coming to the Temple of the Sacred Ashes to discuss peace. During these talks someone or something sets off an explosion that kills everyone, but our Inquisitor. Who we are and why we were present at the talks has not been revealed. The veil is ripped however and demons start pouring out from the fade, we are pulled in. When we awake or what have you to be found by Cassandra, we discover that one we are the only survivor and two we can close fade tears. Cassandra takes us into custody, presumably for questioning that ends up proving that we didn't set off the explosion, but I have read that if we are a mage we might have indirectly contributed to the fade tear.

Our ability to seal the rifts is what puts us in charge of the Inquisition (speculation, but makes the most sense IMHO). An ancient backdoor organization created to help in times of severe trouble. It is not part of the Chantry nor does it answer to them though the Chantry was going to implement this Plan B if the peace talks failed. Our job is to restore order to Thedas. Close the fade rifts. Create an army to combat the demons. And find out who or what was responsible for the catastrophe in the first place and stop them. All the while having to deal with the plethora of issues that was already plaguing Thedas. We have to navigate the delicate balance of military might and political intrigue before everyone in Thedas is doomed.

Hopefully this helps original poster Check out those books by the way, they will assist immensely me thinks.

Ya know..reading this - if I were a companion, I'd put aside my bullsh*t and ego to ensure the world attains peace. Hopefully certain companions are able to do so. I knew the world was falling apart but taking a step back and reading it kind of puts things in another perspective.

Vivienne! I like you, but get in my way for your petty power and you'll have forced my hand >

(That's suppose to be an angry shouting face but stupid BW forums force dumb emoji).

[frylock23]

I have to know ... how many fantasy epics are there where the protagonist isn't in some way, shape, or form "Chosen?" Really, the plot has to center on the main character doing main character type things in order for it to be worthy of your time as a reader or player.

 

How many people are going to spend $60 bucks to play "Saga of the Random Soldier Who Died in That Horrible Battle Over There?"

[azarhal]

The bit about the Inquisition already being there before the big bang has left me a bit puzzled.   You see I thought the Inquisition was being created to fill the void left by the death of the Divine and leaders of other factions at the peace conference.   However, I have now read that the uniform that Leliana and Cassandra are wearing at the end of DA2 is not only that of the Seekers but also that of the Inquisition and it is the latter that they represent at that point and I thought that was immediately before the events at the beginning of DAI.

 

Now I can understand why the Divine might have decided to rebrand the Seekers, since the original ones have for the most part rebelled against her.   I can also see why the need to investigate matters beyond just the mage/Templar situation might have occurred to her, though not of course with the urgency that a big whole in the sky would make.   However, I'm a little more confused where the Inquisitor fits into this as "head" of the organisation.    Certainly, if it is already in existence, then it is not your organisation but simply one that you join and perhaps get persuaded to act as a figurehead for.   Who is  really in control?    Also, we were assured that we did not have to buy into the religious icon idea, or belief in the Maker, or following the Chantry, if we did not want to but if this organisation was set up by the Divine or those loyal to her, then essentially it is a Chantry affiliate.    So I await with interest the actual explanation for what is going on and how the PC fits into it. 

 

The creation of the Inquisition was already in motion before the Big Bang happened. Cassandra simply decided to continue with the plan, with some modifications I guess.  The game is going to explain all that stuff when we play it. I'm not sure what is the point of knowing all the specific details now.

[chance52]

I have to know ... how many fantasy epics are there where the protagonist isn't in some way, shape, or form "Chosen?" Really, the plot has to center on the main character doing main character type things in order for it to be worthy of your time as a reader or player.

 

How many people are going to spend $60 bucks to play "Saga of the Random Soldier Who Died in That Horrible Battle Over There?"

 

 

Well, as for fantasy epic's in particular, I haven't played all of them but some of my favorites from childhood were like that. But your question about who will spend 60$ on the "Saga of the Random Soldier Who Died in That Horrible Battle Over There?" that's pretty much half the war games out there and they seem to do well. haha

 

Chrono Trigger was like that and is still considered a very good example of what an RPG can be, dated as it is you still see it brought up in forums about video games today. There is also a few of the Final Fantasy games like that, my favorite is FF3 US, I think it was FF6 in Japan (anyway the one with the Espers.)  You build a team and half the game is one mysterious girl, Terra, just trying to figure out how to get her memories back and escape the people hunting her. Then the second half the main character pretty much changes to a teammate you picked up, Celes, and she sets out trying to put things right and find everyone on the team that got split up.  That is the very definition of a story following a 'random solider' on your team that has 14 party members and 5 more temporary members and nothing about any of them was 'chosen' to make the end goal impossible without that person

 

Like I said, haven't played every fantasy epic but I have played many really good ones where the main protagonist isnt so special they can save the world through the power of love and a gift from the gods, or whomever is doing said 'choosing' haha.

 

Personally I don't even mind games with the 'chosen one' angle, (if done well) though I do agree with others that it is overused in today's market

[Askanison666]

Man, you really can't win with gamers.

 

First people were complaining because Hawke was just an every man and DA II was a personal story.

 

Now they are complaining because Inquisition has the opposite - a messianic figure tasked with saving the world.

 

The only parts about DAII I took issue with were I couldn't outfit my group with different armour (which tended to pile up in inventory) and that no matter what I did events happened basically the same through multiple plays. I enjoy it though as a story.

[frylock23]

Yes, but those are war games, not epic fantasy RPGs, even action RPGs. If I'm playing something like that, it's one thing, but in this type of game, I expect a story with my character at the center of it in some fashion. If I pay $60 bucks for this kind of game in this genre and wind up playing "random soldier who dies in random horrible battle way over there," I'm going to consider it something of a case of misrepresentation of the game.

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

You have been extremely helpful! Thank you so much!

 

I have 2 of the books you mentioned, The Stolen Throne and The Calling but never got around to reading them. I was a bit underwhelmed by the Mass Effect books and I bought those at the same time as the DA books so by the time I was done with ME I just didn't have the motivation to go for the DA set.  But you make it sound so interesting I guess it is time to dust them off and read them haha!

 

Everything about your post is what makes me hope I'll like this game and what I was lacking when I first made this thread a few days ago, so thank you again!

Really glad I was helpful. You are most welcome I can't wait for the game and might even hit the books again just get me back in tune Never read the ME ones, only the comics which I love.

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

Cassandra already recruited people before the game even started, seems to me that she has no problem making people believe...

She recruited individuals. It's different convincing a king to join your army rather than do it themselves, shore up their own borders, or sit back out of the fray. Making someone see the bigger threat over the smaller one requires that extra something to convince them you can really change things. Being able to seal a fade tear would be a good way to do that. Cassandra can't produce that kind of evidence. Seeing is believing.

[Gervaise]

For the record, I was not asking for an explanation now, since I'm perfectly content to wait for the game.   However, the Devs have already revealed a fair bit of the opening plot via trailers and interviews, plus apparently what is said on Twitter, etc (which I don't use) and it just seemed to me that some of the information was a bit contradictory, or at the very least puzzling.     That reveal in one of the earlier posts about the implications of you starting as a mage was something I hadn't seen before.  The demos that accompanied the interviews seemed to show a great deal from one of the major plot threads, allegedly "near the end" of that story arc, which is a bit disappointing in away as there will be less surprises there.   So I certainly don't want to be told so much that I practically know what is going to happen before even playing the game.