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[wolfsite]

Honestly I don't see why people want so much of the game spoiled.  I did a total media blackout for Mass Effect 2 and in game when I found out my female Shepard could romance Garrus I was like "I can do that?...... that is so Awesome!".

[ShinsFortress]

Honestly I don't see why people want so much of the game spoiled.  I did a total media blackout for Mass Effect 2 and in game when I found out my female Shepard could romance Garrus I was like "I can do that?...... that is so Awesome!".

 

Not quite the same thing, but a good point nonetheless.

 

I only came back to the forums to find out more about the game.  I didn't (like you) used to, but after the terrible disappointments of DA2 & ME3 I won't buy blind anymore.  Perhaps I should stick to waiting for some time until after release instead of coming here so soon!

[Deflagratio]

 

But mainly I was confused by the subsequent logic.  Any how is the 50/50 study relevant.  Gender proportions are approximately half and half.  The other thing is not.

 

Discrimination is a bad thing.  Negative or positive.

 

 

Makes perfect sense. The complaint about sexuality is that Homosexuality is getting a disproportionate amount of coverage, The study he cites is just an example of confirmation bias and a dilation of perception in how people who disagree with the coverage right now are mistakenly perceiving the information as favoritism.The numbers themselves are entirely arbitrary because as of now, we only have two confirmed romances of what is described as the "Most Romances of any DA game" (Possibly any Bioware Game except for The Old Republic).

 

In this case, I think the heterosexuals feel neglected because there's been no confirmation of heterosexual romances explicitly (As in, named companions) and because this demographic is used to be catered to just as a matter of existence, it feels like some form of preferential treatment towards homosexuals. At the end of the day, the fact remains that the game is Bioware's work, and they can release information however they choose, in what order and manner they choose.

[Grieving Natashina]

I saw Alan Schumacher say in http://forum.bioware...ge-inquisition/ :-

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Note that I'm straight... LGBT content doesn't bother me if it exists, so that people are okay with it doesn't mean that they they are gay/lesbian.

 

As for the install base perception, I make reference to this analysis which showed something interesting.  In it, young boys were so used to getting more attention than the girls that when the teacher forced themselves to split attention 50/50, some of the boys felt that the girls were receiving 90% of the attention.

 

In other words, if you've been catered to you may have a tendency to overestimate how much focus the other side is getting now that you aren't getting as much.

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The normally exemplary Mr Schumacher confused me here.

 

Why does he need to state his own orientation?  Just because a poster made an incorrect assumption that may even have been aimless banter / playground insult, where did the need to defend come from?

 

But mainly I was confused by the subsequent logic.  Any how is the 50/50 study relevant.  Gender proportions are approximately half and half.  The other thing is not.

 

Discrimination is a bad thing.  Negative or positive.

You should probably try sending him a PM.  He's a pretty cool guy to talk to and he'd be happy to let you know why he worded his post that way.  

 

 

Makes perfect sense. The complaint about sexuality is that Homosexuality is getting a disproportionate amount of coverage, The study he cites is just an example of confirmation bias and a dilation of perception in how people who disagree with the coverage right now are mistakenly perceiving the information as favoritism.The numbers themselves are entirely arbitrary because as of now, we only have two confirmed romances of what is described as the "Most Romances of any DA game" (Possibly any Bioware Game except for The Old Republic).

 

In this case, I think the heterosexuals feel neglected because there's been no confirmation of heterosexual romances explicitly (As in, named companions) and because this demographic is used to be catered to just as a matter of existence, it feels like some form of preferential treatment towards homosexuals. At the end of the day, the fact remains that the game is Bioware's work, and they can release information however they choose, in what order and manner they choose.

Or of course someone and go and just knock the answer out of the ballpark.  _{Well done.}

 

However, Shins was asking why Allan felt he had to state that he was straight.

 

Shins, I'd still suggest PM'ing Allan if you'd really like to know where he's coming from though. 

[Schreckstoff]

 

You should probably try sending him a PM.  He's a pretty cool guy to talk to and he'd be happy to let you know why he worded his post that way.  

 

 

Or of course someone and go and just knock the answer out of the ballpark.  _{Well done.}

 

However, Shins was asking why Allan felt he had to state that he was straight.

 

Shins, I'd still suggest PM'ing Allan if you'd really like to know where he's coming from though. 

 

Someone in the thread Allan closed said that homosexuals are being favored because the lead writer itself is gay. Hence he mentiomed his own sexuality.

 

Edit: Found it

Bioware's writer is gay and  thus massively biased. I hate it when companies include gay characters just for the sake of being inclusive.

[DarthLaxian]

Basically the title. This is the feedback/suggestion area, so this is my feedback/suggestion. We have Sera's and Dorian's orientations and that's swell. Truly. I love it.

Bioware, please verify the other two sexual orientations. Kthnx

 

Swell? No -.- (purely gay characters are not something I like (lesbian doesn't bother me...strange, I tend to think as not having a problem with gays...and really, I don't...normally, but making an important character gay only bothers me (Sera...i don't know about Dorian yet: So is he gay? - If so, that's too bad...my female Inquisitors would have liked him))

 

greetings LAX

ps: I openly admit that I like bisexual characters - because they cause the least amounts of problems

[RedWulfi]

i dont want them pulling another Anders <.<

he was only into females originally

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

i dont want them pulling another Anders <.<
he was only into females originally

Im pretty sure he was confirmed as being written as bisexual in Awakening, just cos someone talks about liking women doesn't mean they ain't bi.

[ShinsFortress]

Someone in the thread Allan closed said that homosexuals are being favored because the lead writer itself is gay. Hence he mentiomed his own sexuality.

 

Edit: Found it

 

You missed the point, which Deflagratio and Natashina did not.  Having actually read the entire post I had referred to, I was aware of that.  Even said so plainly by referring to the poster's "incorrect assumption".

 

My feeling was that Mr Schumacher's orientation did not need to come into it at all.  Along the lines of "don't feed the trolls", why reply to something which was clearly made up and irrelevant?  When I first read Alan's comment, it smacked to me a bit of 'Hey, I'm straight, but I'm cool with gay and bisexual people too' (which happens to be good for business and doesn't always sound genuinely intentioned).  But after taking on board Def and Nat's input, the first of my two points has faded (less important anyway!) and my second has been somewhat ameliorated.

[Gamemako]

So, we're picking apart posts from another thread. Mr. Shoemaker has made much more sound and convincing arguments in the past which don't involve that mess. When ~93% of the world population is heterosexual and 50% in the game are non-hetero, then you're actually doing worse than the perception already. It was a lazy argument that can at best serve as a future straw-man piñata. Go back and find the posts where he's not using representativeness at all and call it a day.

I strongly believe they're both straight because Cullen flirts with a female elf/human mage but not a male one in DAO but hey anything can happen. And I'm not sure about Cassandra but I seem to only see her with men but once again, that's just me.

Cullen seems more likely hetero for this reason. HN didn't have that restriction on its origin romance, by comparison. You could argue that he just wasn't interested in the male Warden specifically, and while that isn't wrong that I know of, it feels unnecessary. Cassandra, I don't know enough.

Anders' behavioral shift says that prequel means nothing.

You cannot use a wrong to justify another wrong.

[carlo angelo]

Swell? No -.- (purely gay characters are not something I like (lesbian doesn't bother me...strange, I tend to think as not having a problem with gays...and really, I don't...normally, but making an important character gay only bothers me (Sera...i don't know about Dorian yet: So is he gay? - If so, that's too bad...my female Inquisitors would have liked him))
 
greetings LAX
ps: I openly admit that I like bisexual characters - because they cause the least amounts of problems

Just why is it that any character who is important would bother you if they were homosexual, or bisexual, or any sexuality other than heterosexual. I don't want to assume things about you because you're just some guy on the other side of the planet, but I find that mentality disturbing- that a character's value diminishes in your eyes mainly because they're not heterosexual.

[Battlebloodmage]

i dont want them pulling another Anders <.<

he was only into females originally

I agree, they shouldn't pull another Anders, they should pull a Kaidan instead. 

[Mihura]

My bet is that they are both straight and that is why they did not even give people a hint. Since that is considered a given, having straight romances that is.

[daveliam]

I wouldn't be surprised if they were both straight, but it's really a 50/50 shot at this point and I don't have enough evidence to lean either way. 

[Mihura]

I wouldn't be surprised if they were both straight, but it's really a 50/50 shot at this point and I don't have enough evidence to lean either way. 

 

From previews movies and games I would say straight, both Cassandra and Cullen in game have hints of this. I guess I am gonna cry a river when they announce Cassandra is male inquisitor only. Still fingers cross for Vivienne.

[Ianamus]

I think Kaidan is a good example of how to write a character who was not available to a particular gender in another game well, as he didn't really talk about attraction or sexuality much at all and very clearly only approached Shepard after he felt a strong relationship had formed between the two. 

 

Anders went from never indicating an attraction to men across an entire game to flirting with a male Hawke just five minutes after meeting them. 

 

I have a feeling that both Cullen and Cassandra will end up being the straight options, however.

[Mihura]

I think Kaidan is a good example of how to write a character who was not available to a particular gender in another game well, as he didn't really talk about attraction or sexuality much at all and very clearly only approached Shepard after he felt a strong relationship had formed between the two. 

 

Anders went from never indicating an attraction to men across an entire game to flirting with a male Hawke just five minutes after meeting them. 

 

I have a feeling that both Cullen and Cassandra will end up being the straight options, however.

 

I would argue that Anders gave you hints on DA:A, so it was not really surprising to me that he was bi on DA 2. Kaiden is actually a little difficult to do because he was a romance option to FShep only, so his interest on the MShep had to be touch upon somehow, without the prejudiced of having a military career as a justification. 

The other thing I do not get is why people think they know Anders more than the people that created him, to the point of saying he could never date MHawke. Ah well mysteries of the universe.

[reeferdemon]

I don't like when people use Anders as some sort of example of writer's changing a character's sexuality. I don't see why people think talking only about women makes you automatically straight. I've tried to find a way to present my argument without using my own sexuality, but I think it's the best way to go about it because I'm bisexual but people are surprised to find that out because I usually only talk about girls like a straight guy would. It's easy for bisexuals to be perceived as gay or straight depending on which they prefer or how they behave.

[Grieving Natashina]

I don't like when people use Anders as some sort of example of writer's changing a character's sexuality. I don't see why people think talking only about women makes you automatically straight. I've tried to find a way to present my argument without using my own sexuality, but I think it's the best way to go about it because I'm bisexual but people are surprised to find that out because I usually only talk about girls like a straight guy would. It's easy for bisexuals to be perceived as gay or straight depending on which they prefer or how they behave.

I'm in complete agreement with you.  Anders always bisexual, written that way from the start.  They never changed his sexuality at any point for any reason:

 

http://dgaider.tumbl...tions-on-anders

 

While some people evidently didn’t like having their perceptions played with, it was indeed just their perception. We wrote the characters the exact same way, all that changed was what you were exposed to. Even, yes, Anders. He did not suddenly become bisexual in DA2 compared to Awakening. I wrote him in Awakening. I remember the conversation when I first saw Anders’ planned appearance in the expansion.

 

"Huh. He looks a little gay."

 

"I don’t think you can use that as an adjective."

 

"I can if I mean homosexual."

 

"Really? Is it the hair? The earring?"

 

"I’m not sure, but he pings like an aircraft carrier."

We laughed about it, and while it didn’t really matter for Awakening since there were no romance plots there anyhow it was definitely on my mind when I wrote him. I found it a little odd when people suggested that him commenting on women but not men meant he was straight. Which is fine, perception being what it is, but it certainly wasn’t avoided. It wasn’t like it was anywhere but my head, anyhow. But that’s why I didn’t consider it a big deal when it came up as a possibility for DA2. As far as I was concerned, nothing about that side of him had even been established.

 

Any claims by some angry posters that the writers changed Anders' sexuality is pure fantasy.  

[Mes]

it does worry me how so many people here seem to treat a character's sexuality as the thing that makes or breaks not only the characters, but the entire game.

 

Hey someone might find a certain aspect of the game more important than another, and that's fine. You don't need to agree, and you certainly don't need to worry. Who cares. At the end of the day we're all really excited about the same product, and that's pretty cool.

 

Honestly I don't see why people want so much of the game spoiled. 

 

There's a reason we're all here on this online forum - because to some extent or another, we all want spoilers. And to be fair I don't think the characters' sexualities count as major spoilers anyway.

 

I agree with the OP - would love to know!  Mostly so I can continue planning out my various Inquisitors!

[reeferdemon]

Awesome! I'd never read that before Natashina. Thanks for bringing it to my attention!

[slimgrin]

 

There's a reason we're all here on this online forum - because to some extent or another, we all want spoilers. And to be fair I don't think the characters' sexualities count as major spoilers anyway.

 

It is a major spoiler, and an integral part of the NPCs personality. Our sexuality helps define who we are.

[daveliam]

It is a major spoiler, and an integral part of the NPCs personality. Our sexuality helps define who we are.

If you don't want to be spoiled about the characters' personalities, I would recommend avoiding threads that are specifically about character personalities.

[Mes]

It is a major spoiler, and an integral part of the NPCs personality. Our sexuality helps define who we are.

 

Well I must respectfully disagree. I think revealing something huge about the plot, or the ending(s), would be classified as a major spoiler. Finding out that Dorian (for example) is gay hasn't spoiled anything to me about his personality, his history, or his future. Him being gay has literally revealed nothing to me about him.

 

 

 

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