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[Fiery Phoenix]

I would like it to be an option even if your Inquisitor isn't Dalish.

This.

 

After all, you did have the option to side with the werewolves as a Dalish in DA:O.

[TK514]

This.

 

After all, you did have the option to side with the werewolves as a Dalish in DA:O.

 

I never even thought to try that.  Talk about awkward at the next Elf reunion...

[CapivaRasgor]

The fact that the Inquisitor can be Dalish would seem to call into question the idea that the player will be limited to side with either faction in the Orlesian conflict, especially if the warring factions demands the defeat of an elven faction who seeks to help the elves.

 

And the developers have also addressed that they want to give the player agency and options, so I think there's a chance for not being railroaded into siding with two repugnant Orlesian nobles.

 

My Dalish Inquisitor will lift them a finger if such thing is ever asked by Gaspard/Celene.

[BlueMagitek]

Considering that every boon but the personal wealth/power ones seem to have gone less than stellar (except perhaps for the dwarvern boon, go dwarves!), I find that to be highly unlikely.

[The Hierophant]

Exactly.  I have no difficulty imagining a scenario where Celene/Gaspard tells you they want to see your combat prowess before they set you on their rival, and it just so happens there are some important supplies that need to be protected/recaptured from the 'thorn in the side' that is Briala's elves.

Even more than that. If Briala intends to extend the Civil War it'll potentially mean there'll be less soldiers and supplies to combat the demons. I empathize with her goal in uplifting the elves but it seems like there's a conflict of interest with the Inquisition. Hopefully she accomplishes her goal or uses an alternate method to achieving her goal before the Inquisition drops by to fix things.

[TK514]

The fact that the Inquisitor can be Dalish would seem to call into question the idea that the player will be limited to side with either faction in the Orlesian conflict, especially if the warring factions demands the defeat of an elven faction who seeks to help the elves.

 

And the developers have also addressed that they want to give the player agency and options, so I think there's a chance for not being railroaded into siding with one of two repugnant Orlesian nobles.

 

Just offering a possibility.  I'm not a developer, I have no idea what they consider necessary for the story, and frankly, I don't actually want to know at this point.

 

I am not advocating the eradication of the elves, or suggesting that anything should be put in the game, I'm just making guesses based on what little I remember them saying.  I want elf fans and elf detractors alike to get something they enjoy, and the same for all the factions we can potentially side with.  I have accepted that some fans (possibly even me) will inevitably be disappointed/enraged because the developers simply can not give everyone what they want.  Given the wide spectrum of fans, someone's pet NPC faction is going to get screwed.  And because the devs like to make us squirm, it's possible that faction will be a 'good guy', like the City Elves.  This is Dragon Age, and sometimes bad things happen to 'good' people.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The fact that the Inquisitor can be Dalish would seem to call into question the idea that the player will be limited to side with either faction in the Orlesian conflict, especially if the warring factions demands the defeat of an elven faction who seeks to help the elves.

 

And the developers have also addressed that they want to give the player agency and options, so I think there's a chance for not being railroaded into siding with one of two repugnant Orlesian nobles.

 

Given that some people find Briala (or at least her methods) at least as repugnant as the other two, is it really that different choosing between three disagreeable factions instead of two?

[MisterJB]

I doubt it. It's entirely possible there'll be an option to support the elves but "The Masked Empire" was centered around Orlais and its elves and the former elven Dales. Briala even said "I claim these Eluvians for the elves of Orlais" rather than just "the elves". Compared to that, I don't believe a boon in the epilogue of a previous game will be considered all that relevant so, if there is an option to secure land for elves, it will likely be in the Dales.

[LobselVith8]

Given that some people find Briala (or at least her methods) at least as repugnant as the other two, is it really that different choosing between three disagreeable factions instead of two?

 

I suppose it depends on your perspective, since I view the choice between Briala and the two contenders for the throne as quite dissimilar. Celene and Gaspard are looking to rule Orlais, while Briala seeks to liberate the elves. Briala is taking advantage of the civil war to help her people from a system that treats them as less than people, but it's Celene and Gaspard who are committing forces because both are vying to sit on the throne.

 

The fact that the elven option is restricted to Dalish makes me doubt that the developers intend to limit the choices to Celene or Gaspard, since I imagine a city elf would have more reason to work with either noble (given the example of pre-revelation Briala as one possibility) as opposed to a member of a clan with the motto that concludes: "Never again shall we submit." Why chose to restrict the elven background to one that is the least likely to work with Orlesian nobility? Why would my Dalish Inquisitor help either Celene or Gaspard take down Briala and her elven network, when she seeks to help the elves who have had the misfortune to live under shemlen rule?

[KC_Prototype]

What happened to the lands? I thought they still had it?

[Ryzaki]

Apparently the DAO boons and epilogues in general have been retconned.

 

So... *shrug*. Not sure what to say to that.

 

Not sure what's surprising about that. They were pretty big boons.

 

I do hope at least the Teryn one stuck. There's no reason that one can't.

[Ryzaki]

I'm not exactly surprised. The only thing I hope is a storyline reflecting why those boons not showing up. It'd be lame to see Alistair acting without a care in the world, or not recognizing his failures, seeing that he's a king who breaks promises and can't even grant (apparently harsh) land.

 

Ah. I figured his "I want to make it up to my friend." comment meant he wasn't just going to let the dalish boon issue drop. I'd hope the same would apply for mage warden.

 

But yeah CE warden knows their boon goes to hell in game XD reloaded and picked that teryn option. If CE teryn gets retconned...

[Ryzaki]

I've never heard him say that line. My Dalish is dead actually. Alistair doesn't have a "friend". lol. But the people are still promised land at the end of DAO. Which makes it all the lame that it isn't. What do you have to do to get something done with these guys?

 

I saw him say something similar (might not have said friend exactly my memory on that playthrough is fuzzy but I know for sure he inferred he wanted to make it up to them). Honestly the dalish have been waiting for centuries. They can wait a bit more for all the strings to be pulled.

[Eveangaline]

I hope you can. I plan to import a Dalish warden when I play a dalish inquisitor and I'd love for their combined efforts to do some permanent good for the dalish.

[Ryzaki]

I don't see it as a Dalish thing per se. It's just either bad storytelling. Or goes to show how little impact the Hero of Ferelden has, alive or dead. And how incompetent Alistair is. They're not asking for the Dales. It's not some outlandish boon. The Hinterlands are rough lands.

 

It's a little more understandable with the mage boon, since the Chantry is involved.. but I can't imagine who gives enough of a **** to strongarm Anora or Alistair from not granting the Hinterlands. If they can't even manage this, then I feel sorry for Ferelden in general. Who wants a leader like that?

 

To be fair I'm pretty sure the epilogues were written in a time the devs wanted a solid ending, even awakening feels odd when placed right after DAO (and they made the same mistake with Awakening epilogues). I'm guessing later on the story they wanted to tell couldn't have the Dalish (especially not since this would only be the case in a small percentage of games) with their own lands and such.

 

True hopefully it'll be explained in a way that doesn't have Anora and Alistair looking like they got strongarmed.

[Master Shiori]

Depends on which side you'll support in the civil war and how much they need your help.

 

Out of the 2 contenders, I can see Celene being more ready to agree to giving the Dalish their own land. Out of her love for Brialla if nothing else. Gaspard is less likely to agree to such terms, considering his attitude towards Elves. But honestly, they'd have to be pretty damn desperate to even entertain the notion of such a move.

Orlesians loathe the Elves, and handling them land that was previously conquered from the Elves would not go over well with the nobility or the commoners, especially sicne that land is now owned by Orlesian nobility. 

 

Even if Bioware does give us the option, I can easily see it going the way of Dalish and Mage boons from Origins.

[KC_Prototype]

Apparently the DAO boons and epilogues in general have been retconned.

 

So... *shrug*. Not sure what to say to that.

Well then what the ****! Why give the option in the first place??!! I hope the Teryn one wasn't retconned. 

[Master Shiori]

On a sidenote, I think the writers do a much more entertaining job with their novels. Briala gets more done for the elves than your CE Warden, your Dalish Warden, and Merrill combined. If there's anyone to do more for the elves, it'll be Briala.

 

RPGs are just a poor vehicle for major impacts and plot changes.

The problem is when big choices (big as in: they change the political landscape of Thedas) are presented as optional.

 

It's a major difference if you suddenly have an elven nation in Hinterlands or if mages are now free, still in the Circle or exterminated by the templars. These kind of changes can have too much impact on future games to be left up to the players to decide.