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[Dale]

• The very first scene is the kid playing with the toy fighter.
• Shortly after, the same is in an air vent.
• Shortly after he (alone) climbs aboard a shuttle to be shot down by a Reaper.
• He appears multiple times in Shep’s dreams.
• Then at the very end.

What’s going on here?   (outer limits music)   

 

In the BEGINNING -- is the Catalyst just a figment of Shep’s imagination or is he taking bodily form for some reason?  

 

In every situation, Shep seems to deeply interested in this kid & has Shep's full attention.

 

If so, for what purpose?  Is it a mirror of himself?   How do all these appearances in the game tie to the ending?

 

Your thoughts?

[Excella Gionne]

It's an odd question, really. The boy on Earth was simply just a real kid that died during the invasion. IT loyalists have used this to their advantage on showing the indoctrinated Shepard fighting his own conscience. It may have been a coincidence, or the Catalyst simply took on the form of the child, because it may have noticed that Shepard was paying attention to the boy on Earth, or it read Shep's mind while Shepard was on the Citadel. It's hard to explain like other things in the series.

[DeinonSlayer]

You're a couple years late for the IT fad.

[KaiserShep]

You can see him flash in random frames like Tyler Durden.

[dreamgazer]

You can see him flash in random frames like Tyler Durden.

"You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world."

Sounds like something a Reaper would say.

[mybudgee]

Lol

[shepskisaac]

Your shepard is a closet pedophile.

[KaiserShep]

That's ridiculous. The Catalyst is millions of years old.

 

Too old.

[Obadiah]

I like the idea that Shepard is being indoctrinated - that his mind is being pulled into the Reaper collective, and that his subconscious is in communication with the Catalyst. The dreams are both Shepard and the Catalyst in communication, and the child running is part of Shepard's guilt and the Catalyst trying to escape.

Legion says that the Reapers couldn't control its platform because it was "too complex". Maybe the Reapers have encountered something similar with Shepard's mind?

[ImaginaryMatter]

This reminds me of -- one -- of my questions about the ending. Is the Catalyst's form supposed to be that of the boy? Like it read Shepard's mind somehow and decided that was the most appropriate form to go and talk to him with?. If so, then why does Shepard not acknowledge this? Or did the developers simply want to go with the mystic child trope and in usual BioWare fashion simply reused the child model they had lying around?

[SporkFu]

This reminds me of -- one -- of my questions about the ending. Is the Catalyst's form supposed to be that of the boy? Like it read Shepard's mind somehow and decided that was the most appropriate form to go and talk to him with?. If so, then why does Shepard not acknowledge this? Or did the developers simply want to go with the mystic child trope and in usual BioWare fashion simply reused the child model they had lying around?

After playing Leviathan, and seeing it converse with Shep using the form of that DLC's NPCs, I really wish they had used squadmates instead, like Ash/Kaidan, Mordin, Legion and Thane... Or even others who died on the suicide mission. Ah well.

[KaiserShep]

I thought the Leviathan encounter was done so much better in this respect. I wish that the Catalyst was done similarly, but oh well.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Ya, the Catalyst conversation needed some gravity behind it and the kid just doesn't deliver that.

 

I thought they just should have turned up the mystic aspect of the ending up to 11 and have the seen take place in the original garden scene with the Catalyst simply taking the form of a voice.

[SporkFu]

Make it Harby's voice and I'm sold. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

 

• The very first scene is the kid playing with the toy fighter.
• Shortly after, the same is in an air vent.
• Shortly after he (alone) climbs aboard a shuttle to be shot down by a Reaper.
• He appears multiple times in Shep’s dreams.
• Then at the very end.

What’s going on here?   (outer limits music)   

 

In the BEGINNING -- is the Catalyst just a figment of Shep’s imagination or is he taking bodily form for some reason?  

 

In every situation, Shep seems to deeply interested in this kid & has Shep's full attention.

 

If so, for what purpose?  Is it a mirror of himself?   How do all these appearances in the game tie to the ending?

 

Your thoughts?

 

 

The problem is that Bioware paid to have the ONLY CHILD MODEL in the Mass Effect Universe ever drawn for the vent boy scene that they had to use him for dreams and then decided to use him for the Catalyst. You know, it would have been a shame to have wasted that money to only use him for a quick kill.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Make it Harby's voice and I'm sold. 

 

How about Sovereign?

 

[Excella Gionne]

How about Sovereign?

 

Crucible DENIED! 

[SporkFu]

How about Sovereign?

That's actually pretty cool, I love it   ... my one suggestion to the maker of the vid would be to tack on the refuse ending epilogue at the end, so you get Sovereign saying, "this exchange is over." ...Then fade out, then fade back in to the refuse epilogue with holo-Liara describing the reapers to whoever found her time capsule in the next cycle. 

 

 

@0:58 Shep: Wait, what?  ... made me laugh

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Well, I could do it with Darya if I grab a copy of FRAPs when I get there. It would be kind of hilarious. I'll also turn off the sub-titles so that it's more convincing.

[SporkFu]

Well, I could do it with Darya if I grab a copy of FRAPs when I get there. It would be kind of hilarious. I'll also turn off the sub-titles so that it's more convincing.

I think that would make a pretty cool video, and agreed, the subtitles gotta go. 

[KaiserShep]

The problem is that Bioware paid to have the ONLY CHILD MODEL in the Mass Effect Universe ever drawn for the vent boy scene that they had to use him for dreams and then decided to use him for the Catalyst. You know, it would have been a shame to have wasted that money to only use him for a quick kill.

 

This is what happens when you shove children in science fiction stories they don't belong in. Look at what happened to Star Wars when they started putting kids in there.

[themikefest]

I didn't like the child because he is the only child we see in the game and the trilogy. Yes it was sad the child was killed, but so were a lot of other people. That child is no more importanat than anybody else. The scene in the vent with him saying you can't help me was unexpected. Why would a child say that? Does he know something that Shepard doesn't know?

 

Whenever I play the game, I imagine femshep is dreaming about being at a Led Zeppelin concert instead running after some whatever.

 

As mentioned above, the scene with the Leviathan turd would've been better if the thing switched to characters that have died throughout the trilogy while talking about what ending you want

[Farangbaa]

Yeah, because everything kids say always makes perfect sense.

[themikefest]

 We should just ignore them