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[Sawtooth357]

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I'd like to play the Warden as a cruel, spiteful, evil monster. I've never done a really evil play through and I thought 'why not?' Which origin do you believe offers the most opportunity for flagrant wickedness? I'm leaning towards Dwarven Noble since their origin section offers some really black-hearted options (kill your own brother, I think you can get that scholar executed, generally look down upon all the npcs you bump into).

[ShadowLordXII]

Mage warden for me. 

 

They can screw over Jowan; and their background gives plenty of fuel for a warden who wants to walk on the dark side.

 

My Mage was basically a giant take-that against Chantry policy. Essentially, your mage can be what happens when you grant freedom to a being whose been raised to believe that he's the worst thing on the planet by virtue of being born. Essentially, mages are condemned and have responsibility forced upon them without any freedom.

 

This mage gets freedom without responsibility and guess what happens? He'll kill anyone that he wants, pisses off whoever he wants, betrays whoever he wants, and since no one is powerful enough to stop him, he can be as evil as he wants and won't feel any remorse or "arbitrarily responsible"

[Sundance31us]

I've found that all except the Noble origin can walk a dark path rather easily.

[dragonflight288]

Dwarf, whether noble or commoner. The Noble would have the arrogant upbringing to everyone else as lesser, have an outsider's view so they wouldn't be influenced by cultural dogma of Ferelden as they already dismiss all surfacers, and the casteless is already a thug for a crime lord. 

[dragonflight288]

maybe it's just me, but there's something about dwarves that's just.... funny. Even depraved characters like Bartrand make me laugh. They can be evil per se.

 

It's their stature. 

[congokong]

I wouldn't be anti-Chantry if you're screwing Jowan in the mage origin. In a sense, you're licking the Chantry's boots by following the Circle's rulebook by back-stabbing him

 

Anyway, I've never done it but I've heard the City Elf origin can be pretty dark. I've only played mage, human noble, and dalish and out of those only dalish has any real "evil" to it.

 

1. You can murder 3 human stragglers right from the start.

2. Dalish are very bitter/whiny in general; giving plenty of incentive to be evil to the mostly human populace of DA:O.

[Dabrikishaw]

Either Dwarf origin can provide a good template for an evil Warden.

[DarthGizka]

Hurlock Vanguard. No contest.

 

Failing that, mage origin. It's the only one that gives you the wherewithal to act on your evil impulses with more than token success. It takes a while until a non-mage Warden can pick up Morrigan and Wynne, and then they are so far behind compared to a mage Warden that they seem more like deluded civilians than anything else... Wynne gains some serious power with Aneirin's token but her spellbook is mighty slim even at the end of the game.

[Ryzaki]

I've found that all except the Noble origin can walk a dark path rather easily.

 

You can do the arrogant, racist human noble. I've played one.

 

I just assume their good manners apparently didn't stick to him.

[ShadowLordXII]

I wouldn't be anti-Chantry if you're screwing Jowan in the mage origin. In a sense, you're licking the Chantry's boots by following the Circle's rulebook by back-stabbing him

 

Unless you just screwed with Jowan just to be a traitorous a$$. Just like Mairon (my mage warden) was.

[mousestalker]

Either noble origin really. It's astonishingly easy to be narrow minded and self centered as a human noble. As noted above, the dwarf noble has ample opportunities to be nasty as well.

[sylvanaerie]

I can't play unconscionable bastards, but I would think either of the 2 noble options and Dalish fit it best.

 

My Cousland king was a bit ruthless, he wasn't 'evil' but he was a bit callous and 'hard', taking the more ruthless choices in the game (he's the only one I played I could burn Amaranthine to the ground with).

 

I didn't connect well with the Dwarven noble, but considering you can have an innocent scholar killed, conspire to kill your eldest brother and screw over several people in the origin story alone, let alone the remainder of the game, you can play a right bastard with one of those as well.  

 

The Dalish are bitter and xenophobic, and are descended from Elven royalty/nobility, so there is a touch of snobbery to their views (even with city elves), and would lend itself well to playing 'evil'.  

 

The Dwarven commoner starts the game as a criminal, and again, you have the choice to screw over several people in the origin, though those beginnings are a bit understandable considering the caste system leaves the casteless little choice.

 

Mages can mess with Jowan and Lily in the origin, and be embittered about the whole Circle/Chantry thing, and use their new found freedom to screw over as many people as they can before the Blight ends.  (I even read a really good fanfic about that on FF.Net).

 

The City elf can also be angry, embittered they have been put down and held down all their lives, and their people having been screwed over for centuries now by humans.  My city elf sacrificed Isolde to Jowan's ritual with downright glee as she hated nobles.  If she could have slit Eamon's throat while he slept she'd have done that too and dealt with Teagan, seeing him as the only damn noble she'd met who was decent.  To really make it a totally evil choice, you can sell out your cousin to Vaughan to collect the gold.  You won't get to have it when you'd need it, (at the beginning, but I think you can find it later), but it is an evil decision.

[House Lannister]

I'd say the human noble is most likely the least origin to be evil in. Although, you could make a case and say that your character has a fixation on Howe and want to exact revenge on him.

 

The others origins though have more flexibility in the type of character that you care to be.

[TheMadHarridan]

I think the City Elf and Dwarf Noble origins offer the most opportunity for outright evilness. The others have "evil" choices, but those two origins give you the most options to be a complete sadistic monster, in my opinion.

 

As others have said, with the Dwarf Noble origin, you can kill your brother, kill the scholar, be a bastard to every citizen you meet, treat Gorim like dirt, etc. The City Elf gives one of the most truly evil options I've seen in any origin: the opportunity to sell your cousin and friends to a rapist. Makes me cringe just thinking about it.

[KaiserShep]

I think the City Elf and Dwarf Noble origins offer the most opportunity for outright evilness. The others have "evil" choices, but those two origins give you the most options to be a complete sadistic monster, in my opinion.

 

As others have said, with the Dwarf Noble origin, you can kill your brother, kill the scholar, be a bastard to every citizen you meet, treat Gorim like dirt, etc. The City Elf gives one of the most truly evil options I've seen in any origin: the opportunity to sell your cousin and friends to a rapist. Makes me cringe just thinking about it.

 

I agree. This is why I ended up using the City Elf as my Evil Bastard Warden alternate reality. You can be a bastard in every origin, but there's something delightfully horrible about the CE's opportunities.

[Nuclear]

Dwarf Noble. You can use the excuse of being a dwarf not familiar with surfacer ways as well as just being a heartless SOB.

[dragonflight288]

I wouldn't be anti-Chantry if you're screwing Jowan in the mage origin. In a sense, you're licking the Chantry's boots by following the Circle's rulebook by back-stabbing him

 

 

Not really, if you look at it another way. 

 

Look at it from this perspective. You have just passed your Harrowing, a test that had another mage throwing up for a week afterwards, and senior enchanter Torrin says that those who pass typically need a week to recover. You have just been given your ring, staff and robes marking you as a full-fledged mage and all your possessions were moved to a private room (without a door, but you now have some privacy,) Irving is setting you up to get along with Duncan, and Jowan comes in and asks you to give up your recovery time, risk your station in the Circle, and possibly your very life on the very day you pass the Harrowing to help him escape. 

 

Taken from that perspective, Jowan seems to be the one who doesn't care about you. Granted, he's a fool in love who is also desperate, but you could roleplay your mage as thinking "I'm not helping the Chantry, I'm working to keep myself from getting killed on the very day I should be considered safe."

[Cypher0020]

I always wanted to do an 'evi' run... I usually look at the dalish/human noble/dwarf commoner

[KC_Prototype]

Mage Warden and that's usually my more evil Warden? Well, very anti-hero. He's a narcissistic, power-hungry, arrogant, bad mother shut you mouth ******* who is a ladies man. But he is loyal so therefore he didn't betray Jowan, a long time friend.