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[Giubba]

Because he's loyal to the chantry (which was setting up the Inq, and large parts of which have been wiped out), he knows Cassandra (the person setting up the Inquisition), he's witnessed first-hand the excesses and abuses of both the mages and Templars so he has an interest in wanting the violence between them to stop, he was present when a major catastrophe occurred in kirkwall and apparently stepped up well in the aftermath, he has experience with fighting Templars under the influence of red lyrium, he's rubbed shoulders with some of the most notable individuals in thedas (The Warden and Hawke & co) so knows that one person can make a difference and wants to do his bit, because Fereldan is his homeland and it is in danger? You're asking questions that really only the writers can (and hopefully will) answer.

But to turn your question around, why should any other character have a better reason than Cullen? Why on earth would an Orlesian general, used to leading, abandon the volatile political situation in his homeland (and in which his assistance could be required at any moment) in order to play minor sidekick to the unknown leader of some fledgling organisation he has no reason to feel any sort of affiliation with? Particularly if the Inquisitor is an elf (Orlesians generally come off as being pretty anti-elf). Why would a mercenary volunteer for such a role when he/she stands to make a fortune in all the chaos?

Because he grow disgusted with the endless machinations of the orlisian politics.

Face it bioware could have created dozen of characters that could have filled that role without any problem. I have nothing against returning characters (actually i wholeheartedly approve the concept) but i agree with the user who quoted zevran cameo as being fanservice only.

At the moment the only reason i see for placing him in that position is his popularity with the fanbase. Maybe ingame we will have a perfect explanation but until i dont see it, Cullen is nothing more than fanservice

[Giubba]

sorry using my cellphone with a bad connection

[J-Reyno]

God yes especially Leliana she should be able to know every noteworthy person in thedas and generals included.
And why Cullen should have any better reason to join the Inquisition than any other character could have created to fill that role?

But anyway you lost me when you started to claim my hate for thr character as my reason for not see him in the role on counselor that's a completely different thing from not having him back at all which i never said it.

I said available.  Meaning even if she finds them, they have to be willing to join.  There are a number of reasons why they would not.  Are you going to ignore that?

 

Your only answer is that the writers should have created another character, which goes back to what I said before.  You're trying to tell them how to write their own story.  

 

I could say that the writers should conjure up a legitimate son of Maric to replace Alistair as the King of Ferelden and my argument would be just as good as yours.

[Mr.House]

Because he grow disgusted with the endless machinations of the orlisian politics.

Face it bioware could have created dozen of characters that could have filled that role without any problem. I have nothing against returning characters (actually i wholeheartedly approve the concept) but i agree with the user who quoted zevran cameo as being fanservice only.

At the moment the only reason i see for placing him in that position is his popularity with the fanbase. Maybe ingame we will have a perfect explanation but until i dont see it, Cullen is nothing more than fanservice

You have already been presented a crapload of evidence why Cullen makes sense for this role, you and others just don't want to accept it because you don't like it. It's not fan service and using that as an argument is very weak. Heck saying I just don't liek Cullen would be much better then using the fan service card.

 

Also using Zevs cameo from DA2? Really? La sigh

[Giubba]

I said available. Meaning even if she finds them, they have to be willing to join. There are a number of reasons why they would not. Are you going to ignore that?

Your only answer is that the writers should have created another character, which goes back to what I said before. You're trying to tell them how to write their own story.

I could say that the writers should conjure up a legitimate son of Maric to replace Alistair as the King of Ferelden and my argument would be just as good as yours.

My argument is that the writers could have created a complete new character without forcing a returning character in a position that rise a lot of question about his aptitude filling that role.

Could not had to a whole world of difference. Your point lloks like only Cullen should be able to fill that role

[AllThatJazz]

Because he grow disgusted with the endless machinations of the orlisian politics.

Face it bioware could have created dozen of characters that could have filled that role without any problem. I have nothing against returning characters (actually i wholeheartedly approve the concept) but i agree with the user who quoted zevran cameo as being fanservice only.

 

That's it? His entire 'better reason than Cullen' is that he's sulking with the political system that gave him all his power in the first place? And that's better than all the reasons I listed above for Cullen to want to join? Seriously? Because honestly that sounds like a really daft reason to introduce a new character when you already have one who has far more convincing and established motivations.

 

As far as fan service goes? Ehhh, maybe there's an element of it because he has a fanbase. So what? As long as it isn't the only consideration (and really, how on earth does a teeny cameo by Zevran even matter?). And let's face it, the 'fanservice' term is only ever used in a derogatory sense when there's a personal dislike for the character making a return/feature being implemented. If you like it, it's not fanservice, if you hate it but a bunch of other people have the nerve to like it, it's clearly fanservice. I honestly wish that argument would just go away.

[J-Reyno]

My argument is that the writers could have created a complete new character without forcing a returning character in a position that rise a lot of question about his aptitude filling that role.

Could not had to a whole world of difference. Your point lloks like only Cullen should be able to fill that role

"Why use a bastard child like Alistair when you could create a legitimate son with a better claim to the throne?"

 

You're basically saying that you don't like their choice of character and would rather they create a different character.  This argument can be applied to every character created in any story ever.

 

The answer is always that the character fit with the vision the writer had.  Which is as "right" as it gets.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

His interview is up. http://www.dragonage...-profile-cullen

 

There are some good things in there. Not sure about him being responsible leader, still suspicious about that part ( He was never exactly the responsible or the leader in DAO and DA2) but it is good to know that he takes his job seriously and has high expectations. At least that is something I can personally relate to, seeing that I am like that in real life. It is also good to see him accept that the Templar Order is not up to scratch and is flawed.

 

It would also be good to know why did he become a Templar in the first place (please Bioware for the love of anything come up with a different reason, not victim of magic or son of a noble. That role is for Alistair and Cassandra)

 

So as of now, my Inquisitors position on Cullen will be :- If he does his job and takes it seriously as they say he does I will respect him. However, since I prefer to use subterfuge and politics as opposed to might, I might not use his solutions for most of the problems I face. He is welcome to give his solutions though. 

 

I am a person who prefers to get this done indirectly, using words and manipulation. Military is something I would use for defense. 

 

Cheers. 

[Giubba]

"Why use a bastard child like Alistair when you could create a legitimate son with a better claim to the throne?"

You're basically saying that you don't like their choice of character and would rather they create a different character. This argument can be applied to every character created in any story ever.

The answer is always that the character fit with the vision the writer had. Which is as "right" as it gets.

Point is Alistair was a completely new character and not a returning one in origins.

Let's stop here the discussion stale. Cullen fanboy will be happy and i hope i will find a good character in the game

[In Exile]

Point is Alistair was a completely new character and not a returning one in origins.

Let's stop here the discussion stale. Cullen fanboy will be happy and i hope i will find a good character in the game

So you would have been okay with the former templar Rolland, whose back story was identical and who restored order in Kirkwall?

[Giubba]

[DA]: Cullen fans have united on social media using the hashtag #cullenites. What do you think it is about him that makes him so popular?

Hey Cullen is no fan service absolutely not.

[Battlebloodmage]

[DA]: Cullen fans have united on social media using the hashtag #cullenites. What do you think it is about him that makes him so popular?

Hey Cullen is no fan service absolutely not.

What does having fans have anything to do with the developers put him in specifically for that reason?

[Aimi]

[DA]: Cullen fans have united on social media using the hashtag #cullenites. What do you think it is about him that makes him so popular?

Hey Cullen is no fan service absolutely not.

In order for that to be true, BioWare's writers would've had to be time-travelers.

[Ashelsu]

His interview is up. http://www.dragonage...-profile-cullen

 

There are some good things in there. Not sure about him being responsible leader, still suspicious about that part ( He was never exactly the responsible or the leader in DAO and DA2) but it is good to know that he takes his job seriously and has high expectations. At least that is something I can personally relate to, seeing that I am like that in real life. It is also good to see him accept that the Templar Order is not up to scratch and is flawed.

 

It would also be good to know why did he become a Templar in the first place (please Bioware for the love of anything come up with a different reason, not victim of magic or son of a noble. That role is for Alistair and Cassandra)

 

So as of now, my Inquisitors position on Cullen will be :- If he does his job and takes it seriously as they say he does I will respect him. However, since I prefer to use subterfuge and politics as opposed to might, I might not use his solutions for most of the problems I face. He is welcome to give his solutions though. 

 

I am a person who prefers to get this done indirectly, using words and manipulation. Military is something I would use for defense. 

 

Cheers. 

Drop it guys, OP summed it up quite nicely. It's obvious everybody will keep their opinion about Cullen.

[Killdren88]

What does having fans have anything to do with the developers put him in specifically for that reason?

 

He wouldn't got to where he is now without them. He got a few people swooning hence he was kept around for the purposes of Pandering. The devs can sugar coat it all they like. If  Cullen didn't develop fans in Origins I can say without hesitation he wouldn't be in DA 2.

[NoForgiveness]

His interview is up. http://www.dragonage...-profile-cullen

 

There are some good things in there. Not sure about him being responsible leader, still suspicious about that part ( He was never exactly the responsible or the leader in DAO and DA2) but it is good to know that he takes his job seriously and has high expectations. At least that is something I can personally relate to, seeing that I am like that in real life. It is also good to see him accept that the Templar Order is not up to scratch and is flawed.

 

 

 

I find myself oddly intrigued by what Cullen's story has to offer(and wishing I could legitimately punch myself in the face for saying such a thing)... Though none of those things really convince me that he's the best man for the job. The only thing I see the makes him fit for that position over others is that he was easier for Cassandra to acquire(which shouldn't have mattered much to Cassandra). But leadership-wise there could be tons of other people that are more fit.
 

[J-Reyno]

He wouldn't got to where he is now without them. He got a few people swooning hence he was kept around for the purposes of Pandering. The devs can sugar coat it all they like. If  Cullen didn't develop fans in Origins I can say without hesitation he wouldn't be in DA 2.

I can say without hesitation that 1+1 is 3, too.

[x Raizer x]

The only thing that concerns me is that Cullen turned a blind eye to Meredith's despicable acts in Dragon Age 2 for quite awhile.  It makes me question his morality, slightly.  I am going to be keeping a close eye on him.

[Battlebloodmage]

He wouldn't got to where he is now without them. He got a few people swooning hence he was kept around for the purposes of Pandering. The devs can sugar coat it all they like. If  Cullen didn't develop fans in Origins I can say without hesitation he wouldn't be in DA 2.

How do you know that? DAO Cullen wasn't even popular as Teagan or Nathaniel at the time. Also, if that's the case, then how would you explain Isabela and Merrill? Why would Cullen be fanservice but no one complain about those two? Is it only fanservice if it's not applied to them? Isabella only has a small non-plot related scene as NPC but she was promoted into a full-pledge companion. Merrill is only a temp companion that appears in one origin story but becomes a full-pledge companion as well, but when Cullen appears as yet another NPC, he's suddenly fanservice for people. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It would also be good to know why did he become a Templar in the first place (please Bioware for the love of anything come up with a different reason, not victim of magic or son of a noble. That role is for Alistair and Cassandra)

Well, technically the victim of magic is still available for a Templar backstory since Cassandra was a Seeker, not a Templar.

[Battlebloodmage]

The only thing that concerns me is that Cullen turned a blind eye to Meredith's despicable acts in Dragon Age 2 for quite awhile.  It makes me question his morality, slightly.  I am going to be keeping a close eye on him.

When you're a part of a system, it's not as easy as to stand up and change it. For example, a guard may find the condition of a prison to be despicable, but he wouldn't be able to change it even if he wants to. Changes only happen when the higher up screws up badly in which present an opportunity for either a revolt from the lower power or a takeover by someone of similar class, which was what happened when Meredith declared the annulment. 

[AllThatJazz]

How do you know that? DAO Cullen wasn't even popular as Teagan or Nathaniel at the time. Also, if that's the case, then how would you explain Isabela and Merrill? Why would Cullen be fanservice but no one complain about those two? Is it only fanservice if it's not applied to them? Isabella only has a small non-plot related scene as NPC but she was promoted into a full-pledge companion. Merrill is only a temp companion that appears in one origin story but becomes a full-pledge companion as well, but when Cullen appears as yet another NPC, he's suddenly fanservice for people. 

 

Agreed. Nate Howe had a very devoted following here on the BSN, and yet here he is NOT appearing in DAI. So clearly fan-service isn't BioWare's primary concern. Loads of people wanted to see Sigrun or Shale back again as well, but they're not around (at least in any significant capacity) either. So perhaps, just perhaps, there have to be additional reasons beyond popularity for a character to return?

[x Raizer x]

When you're a part of a system, it's not as easy as to stand up and change it. For example, a guard may find the condition of a prison to be despicable, but he wouldn't be able to change it even if he wants to. Changes only happen when the higher up screws up badly in which present an opportunity for either a revolt from the lower power or a takeover by someone of similar class, which was what happened when Meredith declared the annulment. 

 

True.  He seems to have changed now, at least.  And he seems to have become more confident and a good leader.  He grew and changed as a character.

That is why I can't see Fenris coming back.  He was so closed-minded.  I never liked him.
Plus he just had an out of place anime aesthetic.

[Aimi]

So perhaps, just perhaps, there have to be additional reasons beyond popularity for a character to return?

Pft. This isn't the thread for rational discourse, apparently. :/

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Drop it guys, OP summed it up quite nicely. It's obvious everybody will keep their opinion about Cullen.

 

LOL. The OP is someone who can change his opinions when presented with evidence; hence, he behaves in this fashion. The OP can also see that, given facts, Cullen's return is not just due to fangirls and their wet panties; hence, he behaves in this fashion. 

 

Cullen's interview is in many ways, very similar to that of Cole. 

 

Cole is a spirit, has murdered people, does not know his place and role in the world, yet wants to genuinely help.

 

Cullen is a Templar, made plenty of bad decisions throughout his life, thought of mages not as people even though they are, still is finding himself, yet he seems to want to take his job very seriously and wants to do something.

 

My Inquisitors do not have to like Cullen. My Inquisitors do not have to love Cullen. My Inquisitors do not have to adore Cullen. However, my Inquisitors can respect Cullen who wanting and trying to be serious and do something. 

 

To put it in a another way :-

 

Will I be suspicious of Cullen ? Yes.

 

Will I wonder why on Earth he made the decisions he did, including the decision to be a Templar ? Yes. 

 

Will I have the opinion that there are better people, more qualified people out there for the position of the military adviser ? Yes.

 

Will I respect him for taking his job seriously, taking his charges / people under him seriously and having high expectations ? Yes.

 

I expect that my Inquisitors and Cullen will have a professionally successful partnership.

 

The mentality will be :- "All right. This is an organization whose sole task to prevent the end of the world. I have glowy hands, take myself and my work seriously and want to stop the apocalypse. You are no longer a Templar, seem take yourself and you work seriously and want to do something to solve the problem. We both have high expectations. So let's get our jobs done." 

 

My Inquisitors will not love him. I am an intellectual person and as such prefer someone like that. So maybe my Inquisitors will go for Solas or be a bachelor.