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[BloodyTalon]

This is an unfalsifiable perspective of yours.  If there's nothing that we can say or show to convince you otherwise, then you've painted yourself into an irrational (in the literal sense of the term, since your perspective is fundamentally unscientific) and as such it's not a particularly compelling position to have.

 

You're free to feel this.  That doesn't make you correct.

Think some find it hard to beilvie there might be things called story boards which have wide ranging arcs that get adjusted and so on, depending where devs/writers want to take things.

[Allan Schumacher]

Both did get slight cameos in DA2 as well

 

The slight cameos are a greater example of fan service than characters integrated into the game's narrative.

[Allan Schumacher]

Cleaned up some posts.  Off topic frustration shared because you don't like other characters for reasons and how that is just another thing pissing you off about this game are beyond the scope of this thread.

[Grieving Natashina]

It certainly seems it's only 'fan service' when it isn't something the particular person wants.

You've given me a new quote for my signature.  Thanks.  

[mordy_was_here]

Edit: Nevermind.  

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

If he uses that excuse I will punch him in the face or at least be mean to him. There are tons of thing he could've done, contacting the seekers, grand cleric or divine(if grand cleric did nothing). He could've worked behind merediths back to spread his own influence within the tempalrs or confronted her directly or even joined with thrask. But instead he chooses to literally do nothing until well after the right of annulment is called.
 

 

I actually really don't imagine Cullen holding much influence among the higher ranking officers. Ferelden's were not liked in Kirkwall, they were seen as immagrints that were leeching off of the city. Cullen being foreign and rising to a Knight Captain in such a short amount of time would have done him no favors in gaining other Officers regard within the Kirkwall Circle. He really wasn't shown any support until it was seen by all that Meredith had completely lost the plot. When he finally did speak up there were still no other Templar's that voiced their concerns along with him, he was the only one to do so and he deserves some credit for that.

 

As I have stated before, there were other higher ranking people other than Cullen that should have done something to stop what was happening in the Kirkwall circle before it came to a head -- Dumar and Elthina -- so the blame can't be laid solely on his shoulders alone for how things ended up in Kirkwall. I don't really have an opinion on him contacting the Seekers because I personally don't know how hard/easy it would be for one to go about doing that but "He could've worked behind merediths back" <<< that is a huge thing to do in a military organization. You are saying that he should have committed a coup inside the Templar order when he had no evidence to back up his reasons for doing so. That is HUGE! And definitely not something to be taken so lightly and lumped into a category of "There are tons of thing he could've done"

[Wulfram]

My main concern with Cullen was that his failures during DA2 would not be addressed, but it seems hopeful that they will.

 

As far as his qualifications for the role go, I wouldn't call them outstanding.  But Thedas in the Dragon Age has actually been kind of peaceful, so there may not be all that many outstanding candidates about.  At the least, he's seen action on a few occasions, and he's got some experience on the more administrative side of command.  And I wonder if his role may turn out to be more "Chief of Staff" to the PC than "General".

[The Elder King]

My main concern with Cullen was that his failures during DA2 would not be addressed, but it seems hopeful that they will.
 
As far as his qualifications for the role go, I wouldn't call them outstanding.  But Thedas in the Dragon Age has actually been kind of peaceful, so there may not be all that many outstanding candidates about.  At the least, he's seen action on a few occasions, and he's got some experience on the more administrative side of command.  And I wonder if his role may turn out to be more "Chief of Staff" to the PC than "General".

The interview stated he leads the soldiers of the Inquisition.

[mordy_was_here]

My main concern with Cullen was that his failures during DA2 would not be addressed, but it seems hopeful that they will.

 

 

That's understandable. I'm hoping they cover this as well.

[mordy_was_here]

 "He could've worked behind merediths back" <<< that is a huge thing to do in a military organization. You are saying that he should have committed a coup inside the Templar order when he had no evidence to back up his reasons for doing so. That is HUGE! And definitely not something to be taken so lightly and lumped into a category of "There are tons of thing he could've done"

 

Consider as well that Meredith was always a little on the unstable side. Maybe he saw that and didn't want to push her any further (had she discovered what he was doing), thus leading to an all-out war. Of course, this happened anyways. I'm not defending his inaction, just trying to provide another facet.

[NoForgiveness]

I actually really don't imagine Cullen holding much influence among the higher ranking officers. Ferelden's were not liked in Kirkwall, they were seen as immagrints that were leeching off of the city. Cullen being foreign and rising to a Knight Captain in such a short amount of time would have done him no favors in gaining other Officers regard within the Kirkwall Circle. He really wasn't shown any support until it was seen by all that Meredith had completely lost the plot. When he finally did speak up there were still no other Templar's that voiced their concerns along with him, he was the only one to do so and he deserves some credit for that.

 

As I have stated before, there were other higher ranking people other than Cullen that should have done something to stop what was happening in the Kirkwall circle before it came to a head -- Dumar and Elthina -- so the blame can't be laid solely on his shoulders alone for how things ended up in Kirkwall. I don't really have an opinion on him contacting the Seekers because I personally don't know how hard/easy it would be for one to go about doing that but "He could've worked behind merediths back" <<< that is a huge thing to do in a military organization. You are saying that he should have committed a coup inside the Templar order when he had no evidence to back up his reasons for doing so. That is HUGE! And definitely not something to be taken so lightly and lumped into a category of "There are tons of thing he could've done"

 

Okay im not saying those are the smartest or right(morally) options. Just that he did have options and almost all of those are better then doing nothing.

 

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

My main concern with Cullen was that his failures during DA2 would not be addressed, but it seems hopeful that they will.

 

As far as his qualifications for the role go, I wouldn't call them outstanding.  But Thedas in the Dragon Age has actually been kind of peaceful, so there may not be all that many outstanding candidates about.  At the least, he's seen action on a few occasions, and he's got some experience on the more administrative side of command.  And I wonder if his role may turn out to be more "Chief of Staff" to the PC than "General".

 

I think we will and that it will come up a lot in personal conversations that the Inquisitor will have him. And I want the option to be able to ask him if there are things that he could of done and chose not to and what were his reasons for making those choices. And as for his qualifications go, we don't really no that much about them or him or his past -- we haven't even really got a huge insight into what the position of a Knight Captain though seeing as the Templar order is basically an army for the Chanrty when needed I'd say that he would have a strong military knowledge -- entails so he may/may not be qualified for the job. His experiences and what makes him good are something that the Inquisitor may have to discover through interactions with him.

 

From the looks of it, most of the people that joined the Inquisition have done so by choice, it could be that there are more qualified people other than Cullen out there to be our Military Adviser but who says that any of them wanted the job? Maybe he along with the other NPC's are the only ones selfless enough to join. Either way I have great faith that he will do a remarkable job in his new position. 

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

I'm going to sound like Inigo here, but I keep reading that Cullen is "retcon". You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means. There is one example of retcon with him and it has to do with a blurb at the end of Origins. Please site these other examples. If the examples are how different he is from Origins to DA2 let me ask you this, would you be the same naive, kind hearted, young person if the people you thought you were protecting tortured you and killed all your friends? I doubt it. You would question your own naivete and perhaps have survivor's guilt. You would trust in those above you because surely you have been totally wrong, for if you had been right, you would not have had the Broken Circle in the first place. Retcon means changing everything to fit the current narrative, not growth. If you can honestly say that you would not have changed after the events of the Broken Circle, then I would probably throw a bs card down. Every event, big or small, alters the way we react to the world. Days or weeks of constant torture, no sleep, no food, watching friends turn mad and die, would alter ANYONE. Cullen however didn't turn into this radical a-hat like Alrik. He didn't think all mages should be made tranquil or killed. He would have had ever right to resign to that philosophy after what he endured. Would you honestly blame him? It may not be right. Two wrongs don't make a right, but you could at least see why he would be coming at it from that point of view. Alrik had no such reason. He was just a pervy sociopath on a control kick.

 

And that's another thing. Cullen never got on a power kick. I direct you to this http://en.wikipedia....ison_experiment for an understanding of why the circle doesn't work and why so many Templars go bad. It also shows the strength of Cullen's mind because he does not act this way ever. He goes from naive boy to distant man who won't underestimate a Mage again to having accepted that he has made mistakes and learns from them. That is exactly the type of person you want advising you.

 

Also, the Chantry isn't the problem. It is a religion. Their views on magic are the problem. The Inquisition does not answer to the Chantry. It is its own entity that was created as a loophole back in the beginning. That being said, pretty much everyone in Thedas is Andastrian. Dismissing people as advisers because they worked for the Chantry is just ridiculous. Who are you going to have? All Qunari, who take away peoples free will and sew up mages mouths? All "atheists"? I seriously doubt there are that many in Thedas. It is like being in Italy during the Renaissance and refusing to work with someone because they were Christian. If you haven't watched the Borgias or Davinci's Demons, I suggest you do to see that in a "medieval" type environment finding people with no faith is virtually impossible. You don't have to ascribe to the faith yourself, but to "bring it down" just isn't going to happen. Even Anders is Andrastian. He wasn't attacking the Chantry. He was attacking their lack of intervention in the atrocities being committed by their military side.

 

And there's another point. The Templars are military. That means you have to follow a chain of command. You can't just overthrow Meredith because you think she is crazy. You keep an eye on her and report her if things get worse. Even if you report her, it takes time to investigate. That could be months or years. It is not overnight. No magic wand to poof her to a nice padded cell away from the lyrium idol. Cullen does vocalize concern in Act 3, please replay to see what I mean. He also refuses to follow a blatantly bad order. Now, if he has no leadership qualities, why do they other Templars wait to see what he does with Hawke? Why don't they attack with Meredith? Why don't they try to arrest Hawke at the end? Why do they follow what Cullen does if he isn't someone they respect and are willing to follow?

 

I am utterly confused as to how the actual influence of history, Cullen's obvious (to me and several others) growth, and just blatantly ignoring military structure is so prevalent in this thread other than for whatever reason you don't like Cullen. And that is fine. Go on with your bad self, but why the intense hate? Why say you are being forced to have him. Leilanna, and Cassandra around? You aren't. Don't like them, don't talk to them. Why say things like "pandering" and "fanservice" just because you don't like the character? I'm sure you have your reasons as to why you don't, but you don't have to defend them to me. However those of us who do like Cullen, who see him for more than a potential romance have to defend our opinion with the Sword of Andraste repeatedly otherwise we just want him around to romance. I would like, just once, to see detailed arguments against Cullen rather than the "he isn't experienced enough" (please site reason why you think that other than it has only been a year. See Commander Shepard) or "he's not good, he's only here because of crazy fangirls."  Just once. Anyway... rant over.

 

Peace, Love, and Slay the Archdemon

[Allan Schumacher]

The interview stated he leads the soldiers of the Inquisition.

 

The Inquisition is still relatively small in overall scale, especially at the start of the game.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

 

*SNIP*

 

Peace, Love, and Slay the Archdemon

 

I... I have no words.   Once again you have made an absolutely outstanding informative post. Pfft, my posts wilt in the shadows of yours.  

 

I just want to say that I like you!.....Wait where are you going? Don't run away!

 

Why do they always run? 

[HiroVoid]

The Inquisition is still relatively small in overall scale, especially at the start of the game.

So in other words, its still small in scale at end game, just not especially.

[BabyFratelli]

The Inquisition is still relatively small in overall scale, especially at the start of the game.

 

So, trains future Inquisitor soldiers then? Rallies them? Waits for his lady inquisitor to come home? Or gentleman Inquisitor? Or both? 

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

I... I have no words.   Once again you have made an absolutely outstanding informative post. Pfft, my posts wilt in the shadows of yours.

 

I just want to say that I like you!.....Wait where are you going? Don't run away!

 

Why do they always run? 

*tacklepounce* I never run from the love!   Thank you for the kind words. Your posts are awesome, never doubt that

[Allan Schumacher]

So, trains future Inquisitor soldiers then? Rallies them? Waits for his lady inquisitor to come home? Or gentleman Inquisitor? Or both? 

 

I'll just say that the Inquisition grows over the course of the game.

[BabyFratelli]

I'll just say that the Inquisition grows over the course of the game.

 

[aTigerslunch]

Lost_in_Anarchy I wish I could liked your post ten times more.  

 

I defend Cullen myself, though I mention only reason I don't like him is cause he is a Templar.

 

My changes if the mage's need to be watched, families should be allowed to visit, mages should have access to vacations, they need protected, not imprisoned. Some are weak and a demon could hurt them where others are bit stronger and skilled. If I was to keep balance, this is part of the solution I have in mind.

 

If they accept changes and do these things, I wouldn't mind Templars as much. Right now, I still hate them.    Cullen just happens to be part of that order that I hate.

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

Perhaps this may help a few people with Cullen's leadership ability and points to a lot of what I have said in previous posts. Like I said before, I never sided with the templars so I never got this dialogue, but just look at Cullen here.

 

The Templars obey HIM not Meredith.

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

Lost_in_Anarchy I wish I could liked your post ten times more.

 

I defend Cullen myself, though I mention only reason I don't like him is cause he is a Templar.

 

My changes if the mage's need to be watched, families should be allowed to visit, mages should have access to vacations, they need protected, not imprisoned. Some are weak and a demon could hurt them where others are bit stronger and skilled. If I was to keep balance, this is part of the solution I have in mind.

 

If they accept changes and do these things, I wouldn't mind Templars as much. Right now, I still hate them.    Cullen just happens to be part of that order that I hate.

 

D'aw... thank you Cullen is the only Templar I like The order in and of itself is just wrong. Mages shouldn't be stripped from their families, pretty much declared dead and locked away. The do need schooling however, but should be free to come and go just like a boarding school kid. Templars should only be a last resort for mages that have gone all "demony" The issue with the Templars is more of psychopathy than anything. If you give an individual dominion over another in all aspects of their life with no repercussions, there will be those who get drunk on that power and abuse it. Especially when you add fear of the unknown to the mix and an ability that can not be easily taken away like a sword or dagger can. Luckily Cullen has seen that error, as best I can tell, because I don't think he is a Templar anymore. He is still a religious man I would wager. The rest of the Templars can eat Andraste's granny panties for all I care unless they too have seen the light.

[duckley]

If he uses that excuse I will punch him in the face or at least be mean to him. There are tons of thing he could've done, contacting the seekers, grand cleric or divine(if grand cleric did nothing). He could've worked behind merediths back to spread his own influence within the tempalrs or confronted her directly or even joined with thrask. But instead he chooses to literally do nothing until well after the right of annulment is called.

How do we know what Cullen did or did not do beyond what we were shown? DA2 told Hawke's story not Cullen's. For all we know he pleaded with the Grand Cleric ( who was pretty lame IMO), wrote to the Seekers to come and investigate. For all we know Meredith could have been keeping information from Cullen, denying his accusations etc. Again we can speculate , but we dont know for sure.