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[aTigerslunch]

I find it funny that Meredith hates mages cause they could loose control. I still wonder why rogues and warriors then haven't been confined themselves cause they have potential on destroying a tavern full of people, and have. I feel its the same, just cause a mage can burn down a village, so can warriors and rogues, they did, they have, and will again too but only imprisoned AFTER they would do so. A mage is imprisoned BEFORE, which means we should imprison the whole of the country cause everyone has potential to mass murder. Doesn't mean they will, they could. Governments, troopers, civilians, everyone belongs locked up for the potential to murder, to keep from murdering.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

D'aw... thank you Cullen is the only Templar I like The order in and of itself is just wrong. Mages shouldn't be stripped from their families, pretty much declared dead and locked away. The do need schooling however, but should be free to come and go just like a boarding school kid. Templars should only be a last resort for mages that have gone all "demony" The issue with the Templars is more of psychopathy than anything. If you give an individual dominion over another in all aspects of their life with no repercussions, there will be those who get drunk on that power and abuse it. Especially when you add fear of the unknown to the mix and an ability that can not be easily taken away like a sword or dagger can. Luckily Cullen has seen that error, as best I can tell, because I don't think he is a Templar anymore. He is still a religious man I would wager. The rest of the Templars can eat Andraste's granny panties for all I care unless they too have seen the light.

 

You're eating all my likes! Here, just take them! Take them all! Cullen will have a lapse in faith with the order but I don't see him losing it in his religion, I always imagine him to be a pretty devout Andrastian, you can see that when he calls the Qunari ahm "heathens" ahm  just a small example.

 

And the Circles becoming boarding schools for Mages..... YES! This is what I want so so bad!

 

Yeah I don't think he is a Templar anymore but may still hold to the old ideals of what the Templar's used to be and not what they have become. The armor that he wears appears to be pieces from his Templar armor? You can see the flaming sword on his gauntlet in the new screen shots from yesterday but his chest piece looks like it's had something removed from it, maybe something that represented the Order?

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

And Hot Diggity I found the Act III dialogue I was looking for!

 

This takes place right after the Orsino/Meredith fight. Well before the Right of Annulment is called for at the end of Act III. Notice how he questions Meredith. He does defend her at first, saying she needs a spine of iron because people ask too much of her, but then compares her to Uldred. He says she is not there yet, but he doesn't have to wonder where the rumors come from. But the most telling is the very end of the conversation. His doubts are showing. He basically explains why he has been the way he has been in the first 2 Acts, but his conscience is starting to win over. Cullen is finally starting to trust himself again. He is a man of integrity and honor at his core. One who will eventually learn from the events in his life rather than let them control him. This is what you call character growth. If you never talked to Cullen during the previous games, these are the pieces... the fragments you have missed that make those of us who like Cullen want to know even more about him. The sparks of the man who may finally get to see burn bright in Dragon Age: Inquisition. What a shame so many have never bothered and have dismissed him as nothing more than a potential love interest. If I have encouraged one person to go back to Origins and really talk to Cullen every chance they get, my work here is done.

[NoForgiveness]

How do we know what Cullwn did or did not do beyond what we were shown. DA2 told Hawke's story not Cullen's. For all we know he pleaded with the Grand Cleric ( who was pretty lame IMO), wrote to the Seekers to come and investigate. For all we know Meredith could have been keeping information from Cullen, denying his accusations etc. Again we can spe ulate, but we dont know for sure.

 

Well he admits that he defended her when people said she was crazy. Why would he defend her name but act/speak against her? Doesn't make much sense.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

I find it funny that Meredith hates mages cause they could loose control. I still wonder why rogues and warriors then haven't been confined themselves cause they have potential on destroying a tavern full of people, and have. I feel its the same, just cause a mage can burn down a village, so can warriors and rogues, they did, they have, and will again too but only imprisoned AFTER they would do so. A mage is imprisoned BEFORE, which means we should imprison the whole of the country cause everyone has potential to mass murder. Doesn't mean they will, they could. Governments, troopers, civilians, everyone belongs locked up for the potential to murder, to keep from murdering.

 

I think it's because it is something Meredith has experienced with her sister, she had to watch someone she loved dearly turn into an abomination and kill innocent people. <<< This right here is why she should never have been aloud to join the Templar ranks, I don't think anyone that's had previous experiences of loved ones being possessed by demons should be aloud to be recruited. They have too much of  bias view of what could happen to a Mage, it's more black and white to them instead of the grey area where a Templar should reside.  

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

And Hot Diggity I found the Act III dialogue I was looking for!

 

*SNIP*

 

I'm sorry, but for the love of all that is men's sexy facial hair (and I like me some facial hair)............look at those BURNS on Hawke! 

 

There... nice 

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

You're eating all my likes! Here, just take them! Take them all! Cullen will have a lapse in faith with the order but I don't see him losing it in his religion, I always imagine him to be a pretty devout Andrastian, you can see that when he calls the Qunari ahm "heathens" ahm  just a small example.

 

And the Circles becoming boarding schools for Mages..... YES! This is what I want so so bad!

 

Yeah I don't think he is a Templar anymore but may still hold to the old ideals of what the Templar's used to be and not what they have become. The armor that he wears appears to be pieces from his Templar armor? You can see the flaming sword on his gauntlet in the new screen shots from yesterday but his chest piece looks like it's had something removed from it, maybe something that represented the Order?

*nom nom nom* I eats all the likes

 

I too don't think Cullen could ever be an "athesist". I think he will be more questioning of anyone with a lot of power because of everything he has been through. Hopefully, he will change his "heathen" view on Qunari too. I may not agree with their ethos, but heathen is just harsh Cullen

 

I wish I knew why the heck they didn't do a boarding school type thing in the first place. Who was the genius who thought treating people who can set you on fire with their mind like animals and denying them their support structure was a good idea? It's no wonder they rebelled. It doesn't take Stephen Hawking to see that plan was doomed to epic failure. *shakes head* Organized religion in the dark ages... gotta love it

 

He has been a Templar so long that I think he will stick to what his conscience tells him is right with the principles of the order. It is just something that has become so much of who is that he can't just outright dismiss it. But he also sees the principles through worldly eyes. One that has seen evil on both sides so he has to kind of reevaluate his teachings and put them in context of his Grey World Order.

[NoForgiveness]

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just curious... what happens if hawke says to kill them? id be interested to see the video if someone can find it...

[aTigerslunch]

I talked to Cullen as much as possible, in one play thru of a second female mage, I made him squirm and run away from embarrassment, I cant remember that whole debacle just remember doing it.

 

Boom, yep, that was part of my point in saying that she was funny. She shouldn't of been a Templar, too much bias going on. Family allowed to see them doesn't mean they should be apart of all that structure itself. But I was also trying to include that mages aren't the only threat, a farmer could kill a whole town if he/she wanted to.

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

just curious... what happens if hawke says to kill them? id be interested to see the video if someone can find it...

this was the best I could find. Meredith kills Bethany if you aren't a mage and the Templars kill the other 3. Cullen realizes his opinion is outnumbered so he doesn't say anything else until Meredith goes after Hawke in the final battle.

 

PS I still think it is BS that we Murder Knife Anders in the back while everyone else we look them in the eye. So cowardly Hawke. Tsk tsk. The man was by your side for 7 years, you can look him in the face when killing him.

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

I talked to Cullen as much as possible, in one play thru of a second female mage, I made him squirm and run away from embarrassment, I cant remember that whole debacle just remember doing it.

 

Boom, yep, that was part of my point in saying that she was funny. She shouldn't of been a Templar, too much bias going on. Family allowed to see them doesn't mean they should be apart of all that structure itself. But I was also trying to include that mages aren't the only threat, a farmer could kill a whole town if he/she wanted to.

My first encounter with Cullen I didn't flirt so he didn't run away. I did go back and do it just because I had read about it and My first impression of him is "What is this sweet little nerd doing here? This is no place for a nice boy like you." Then the Broken Circle happened and seeing him in that bubble broke my heart. I wept seeing this tender soul being tortured. I wanted to save him. Then my heart broke even more seeing how much he had changed already from his ordeal. I felt guilty for having left the circle in the first place or not having gotten there sooner. Which was odd because you don't have a choice. There would be no game otherwise Then DA2 happens, I see him being more distant. It killed me. I kept thinking of the sweet boy in the tower who stammered and felt bad that he would have to strike me down if I had turned into an abomination. I kept wanting to shout him "This isn't you! Don't let Uldred win and make you cold." I clapped when he finally did just that with Meredith. I could see the boy was now a man and couldn't have been happier that he was coming back in DA:I so I could see how much he had grown.

 

As far as Meredith, I think that there should have been some kind of screening process for Templars. I mean would you have people like Alrik in the order if you did? Routine exams to make sure you aren't losing it? Making sure to keep an eye on those with history involving mages? Something...anything? Oh right, if the Maker wills it, it will be so

[NoForgiveness]

 

 

PS I still think it is BS that we Murder Knife Anders in the back while everyone else we look them in the eye. So cowardly Hawke. Tsk tsk. The man was by your side for 7 years, you can look him in the face when killing him.

 

ya I agree. No matter what hawke thinks of him they could at least have the balls(figuratively speaking) to look him in the eyes.

 

That part with Bethany made me sad...

 

Anyway, thanks for  that.
 

[themikefest]

Its interesting  the Champion decides if the three mages should live or die and not Cullen.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

*nom nom nom* I eats all the likes

 

I too don't think Cullen could ever be an "athesist". I think he will be more questioning of anyone with a lot of power because of everything he has been through. Hopefully, he will change his "heathen" view on Qunari too. I may not agree with their ethos, but heathen is just harsh Cullen

 

I wish I knew why the heck they didn't do a boarding school type thing in the first place. Who was the genius who thought treating people who can set you on fire with their mind like animals and denying them their support structure was a good idea? It's no wonder they rebelled. It doesn't take Stephen Hawking to see that plan was doomed to epic failure. *shakes head* Organized religion in the dark ages... gotta love it

 

He has been a Templar so long that I think he will stick to what his conscience tells him is right with the principles of the order. It is just something that has become so much of who is that he can't just outright dismiss it. But he also sees the principles through worldly eyes. One that has seen evil on both sides so he has to kind of reevaluate his teachings and put them in context of his Grey World Order.

 

Oh no, he will never be able to dismiss it. Cullen is a Templar through and through, he will always be one at heart. I don't think there will be anything that changes that. Just the fact that he has seen the worst of Mages and Templar's, two factions that you will be fighting against in Inquisition. He knows what Mages can do and knows the best tactics to be able to disarm them and the same goes with the Templar's. I doubt there are many people in Thedas --who are willing to join the Inquisition-- that has experienced what he has and also has the first hand-knowledge of what it would take to go up against these two groups. That is just one of the reason why I think he is the right choice for the Military Adviser position. 

 

EDIT: Actually, I'm not sure if he has left the Templar Order for the Inquisition or if he has only left for the time being because he thinks the Inquisition is something much more important -- which it obviously is    

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

ya I agree. No matter what hawke thinks of him they could at least have the balls(figuratively speaking) to look him in the eyes.

 

That part with Bethany made me sad...

 

Anyway, thanks for  that.
 

That part with Bethany is Shakespearean in its tragedy. I can't believe anyone would do that to their own sister. And for some reason in my head, Cullen was upset about that too. Just because of how he is when he comes to take Bethany to the circle at the end of Act I I guess. He seems almost sorry to do it, but also like he is going to protect her. I might have been reading too much into the delivery of the lines. :S Anyway... you are welcome. I wish I could find the whole scene like the one where you don't kill them for you

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

Oh no, he will never be able to dismiss it. Cullen is a Templar through and through, he will always be one at heart. I don't think there will be anything that changes that. Just the fact that he has seen the worst of Mages and Templar's, two factions that you will be fighting against in Inquisition. He knows what Mages can do and knows the best tactics to be able to disarm them and the same goes with the Templar's. I doubt there are many people in Thedas --who are willing to join the Inquisition-- that has experienced what he has and also has the first hand-knowledge of what it would take to go up against these two groups. That is just one of the reason why I think he is the right choice for the Military Adviser position. 

My thoughts exactly. Get out of my head!

 

If there is anyone else who has seen the stuff Cullen has seen, they are either batcrap crazy killing everyone who goes boo at them or in the fetal position with a bottle of whiskey under a table somewhere. I know I would be the latter. All drunk and shaky... "I seen some things man... and some stuff. You don't wanna know what I seen man."

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

Its interesting  the Champion decides if the three mages should live or die and not Cullen.

I'd say it's more interesting that everyone ignores Meredith and sides with Cullen when he says to do what the Champion says.

[themikefest]

I'd say it's more interesting that everyone ignores Meredith and sides with Cullen when he says to do what the Champion says.

It also show's he's more of a follower then a leader.

[NedPepper]

I posed the same question the OP posed in the Twitter thread.  I kind of don't see Cullen as a military adviser.  That being said, I'm willing to let Bioware prove me wrong.  Cullen has been through multiple crises and has come out alive.  Broken Circle, the Qunari attack on Kirkwall, and the mage rebellion.  So, it's not like he doesn't have SOME experience in these matters. 

My main issue is that there are other characters who could have filled this role.  BUT they are all problematic.

Alistair.  His credentials are clear.  BUT, he could be King of Ferelden, a Grey Warden, and if I'm not mistaken, dead.  (Alistair died on one of my Origin playthroughs, sacrificing himself for my female Warden.)

 

Logain.  Mainly dead in most peoples playthroughs.  If not, he's a Warden now.  And there's the whole letting the king die at Ostagar and starting a civil war in Ferelden.  Has the best credentials for a military adviser over anyone in Thedas, but not likely to happen.

 

Sten-  Sten provided military advice throughout Origins.  And he knows a battlefield.  But isn't he now the Arishok?  And then there's the Qun.  But, out of all of these options, Sten would have been perfect for this role.

Oghren.  Yeah, he's a drunk.  And a Warden.  And could possibly die in Origins...not sure on that.  But that drunk dwarf was a legend in Orzamaar before his fall from grace and is a master on the battlefield.  But he's also a Warden, and could be at odds with the Inquisition.  (But I'd have loved to see him in this role, although I know he's not the most popular companion and would probably draw as much ire as Cullen.)

And my personal pick, and who I think would have been the best suited.  Aveline.  Best thing to come out of Dragon Age 2.  Stubborn, but pragmatic.  A proven leader.  Key word: LEADER.  Keeps a cool head and knows tactics.  I guess she hit the road after Dragon Age 2 and is either married to Donnic or not.   So, there could be continuity issues depending on whether Hawke sided with the mages or templars.  But why waste such a good character?  

(As for book characters like Gaspard, Evangeline, Michel, and others...out of all of them, only Evangeline would really work.  And I have a feeling she may be at the summit where the Veil tears open.  So....she may be a corpse.)

But here's the thing.  Cullen has no ties to major choices in Origins or DA2.  He's more of a blank slate.  The problematic issues found with those listed above aren't prevalent with him.  So, I'm willing to give the moody Templar a shot.  Although, I'm really hoping he's put aside his Templar armor.  I think having him no longer associated with the order might actually make people...well, like him more.

I also hope that all of the characters listed above have a role to play in this game.  Because if we're talking about bringing back characters that make sense in this plot, ALL of the above could do so and make perfect sense without the "fanservice" label being attached.

[xXxshemlifexXx]

I find it funny that Meredith hates mages cause they could loose control. I still wonder why rogues and warriors then haven't been confined themselves cause they have potential on destroying a tavern full of people, and have. I feel its the same, just cause a mage can burn down a village, so can warriors and rogues, they did, they have, and will again too but only imprisoned AFTER they would do so. A mage is imprisoned BEFORE, which means we should imprison the whole of the country cause everyone has potential to mass murder. Doesn't mean they will, they could. Governments, troopers, civilians, everyone belongs locked up for the potential to murder, to keep from murdering.

A rogue or warrior couldn't rule a city with an iron fist and a zombie army at the age of 9, like Connor could

 

A rogue or warrior couldn't murder dozens of women and necromagic them into his ideal Frankenwife, like Quentin could

 

A rogue or warrior couldn't curse multiple generations of a village to turn into murderous animals living in constant suffering for the rest of their lives because he was mad at their great great great great grandparents, like Zathrian could

 

A rogue or warrior couldn't erase a person's mind and identity to make them be their own personal sex slave/living weapon the way Danarius could

 

Let me guess your response

B-BUT NOT ALL MAGES

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

My thoughts exactly. Get out of my head!

 

If there is anyone else who has seen the stuff Cullen has seen, they are either batcrap crazy killing everyone who goes boo at them or in the fetal position with a bottle of whiskey under a table somewhere. I know I would be the latter. All drunk and shaky... "I seen some things man... and some stuff. You don't wanna know what I seen man."

 

No, I like it in here. It's so cosy and I finally got my butt indentation the way I like it. 

 

Yeah I think I could possible be gone after broken circle lol. For him to go through all that crap and still come out the other end with a pretty rational head on his shoulders is impressive. And I'm not saying he hasn't made mistakes because he has, but you can see that just from the small blurb we have gotten as well as the Q&A that he has started to see any errors he has made and accepting that he has made mistakes is his first step in becoming the take-no-sh!t, kick ass Millitary Adviser I know he will be. This is his path to becoming the man he always should have been and I can't wait to see his journey. Also his scowl-y face is glorious   

[Dabrikishaw]

That's what happens when you get a few fan girls (and boys) swooning over a irrelevant character. He had a crush on your fem mage and it got the girls squeeing and thus Bioware had a ninche. Sure they will say "We think there is potential for a a good story for Cullen." While in reality its nothing more than pandering fan service. So long as he has the fans swooning he will continue to be a forced tag along.

Best answer. Characters getting larger roles due to fan reception is nothing new for Bioware.

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

It also show's he's more of a follower then a leader.

How do you figure? He gave his opinion and Hawke follows it. The fellow Templars choose to follow him over their commander, Meredith, who wants the mages killed. I'm confused. Please help.

[themikefest]

How do you figure? He gave his opinion and Hawke follows it. The fellow Templars choose to follow him over their commander, Meredith, who wants the mages killed. I'm confused. Please help.

Incorrect. The Champion chose live or die, not Cullen. Why would he listen to an outsider who is not a Templar. All Hawke was doing was helping the Templars. If he has to have someone from the outside tell him to save or let the mages be killed, then how is he going to make any decision on his own in the future?

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

No, I like it in here. It's so cosy and I finally got my butt indentation the way I like it. 

 

Yeah I think I could possible be gone after broken circle lol. For him to go through all that crap and still come out the other end with a pretty rational head on his shoulders is impressive. And I'm not saying he hasn't made mistakes because he has, but you can see that just from the small blurb we have gotten as well as the Q&A that he has started to see any errors he has made and accepting that he has made mistakes is his first step in becoming the take-no-sh!t, kick ass Millitary Adviser I know he will be. This is his path to becoming the man he always should have been and I can't wait to see his journey. Also his scowl-y face is glorious   

So that's what all that movement was up in my head? I thought the gerbil was rearranging his wheel again.

 

The fact he wasn't drumming his fingers over his lips after the Broken Circle was mighty impressive.  His scowl-y face is quite a thing to revere I must admit. Also, I don't see him sitting back if Inquisitor starts acting all cuckoo for cocoa puffs. He will be watching you and everyone in the Inquisition like a hawk. The Uncle Ben to our Quizzy. With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility or my ex-Templar boot implanted in your butt