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[leaguer of one]

Says who? Thrasks group of mages, when Cullen see them he immediately orders them tortured and interrogated. He was giving his own recruit quite a beating in his own interrogation too. Theres got to be plenty of other stuff too. He didn't get to knight captain by being gentle, in fact he got there by being every bit as ruthless as Meredith. 
 

He did not order them to be Tortured And what he did to that recruit was because he though they were up to something wrong...which he was right about. Are we going to Call Cassandra a murder and rapist because of how she treats books in a particular dwarve's lap?

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

Says who? Thrasks group of mages, when Cullen see them he immediately orders them tortured and interrogated. He was giving his own recruit quite a beating in his own interrogation too. Theres got to be plenty of other stuff too. He didn't get to knight captain by being gentle, in fact he got there by being every bit as ruthless as Meredith. 
 

Wait... what? When did Cullen come in contact with the mages from Act of Mercy? That was Ser Karras and he is a ****. The bit with Wilmod, he was harsh with him, but I give him a little room there because of it being so close to the Broken Circle. Doesn't make it right, even if Wilmod was possessed, but I can see why he is so scared there. Fear leads to anger so some green dude said. He got promoted because Meredith "believed" he saw things like she did. He had a very hardline approach with the mages and remember Meredith was against Alrik's idea so she wasn't total bonkers until Act III. Just saying you know.

[leaguer of one]

 

 

I blame Cullen for not stopping the Rites of Tranquility, for following orders during Merediths madness.  'Just Following Orders' has NEVER been a defence.

You really need to side with the templars. Because if you did know what you were taking about you would not be saying this.

[mordy_was_here]

You really need to side with the templars. Because if you did know what you were taking about you would not be saying this.

 

I have a feeling that would be like telling this particular person to swallow glass. Better to let it go than beat your head against that wall.

[Vilegrim]

You really need to side with the templars. Because if you did know what you were taking about you would not be saying this.

 

 

I have sided with the Templars, they sickened  me worse when I saw the conflict through their eyes than when they where just the enemy, grovelling at Hawkes feet to get out of their complicity? Disgusting, at least have the courage of your monstrosity  weaklings,

[NoForgiveness]

I think Gregoir sent him to Kirkwall to help him actually. The Circle in Ferelden being too much because yes, he was broken. I don't think anyone realized how bad Meredith was so there is another point for him in my opinion. He had the worst possible role models in Kirkwall. He could have become the cruelest man in the Templar order when you take his experience and add it to that hot mess in Kirkwall. But he doesn't. Sure he starts off kind of cold, but he is far from cruel. He actually keeps a small grip on the boy he was, that belief in doing the right thing. He just doesn't trust his own judgement anymore and says as much in Act III. That he swore he would never question the order again, but he ends up doing just that. Look at the difference in him just from him during Enemies Among Us. How he would "give his life" to prevent something like the Broken Circle from happening again to how in Act III and him taking a chance on trusting these mages. Act I is a year after the Broken Circle at most... six years later and he has grown. I see no reason that the growth wouldn't have continued.

 

*hugs back* see all friends.

 

I have no doubt that Gregoir was trying to help him or whatever. And yes Cullen dealt with the hand he was given as best he knew how. But all this doesn't change the fact that his mental stability is questionable for most or all of da2.  

[leaguer of one]

I have sided with the Templars, they sicken me.

Then you had your eye's shut and you ears pluged...

Spoiler

 

Such a horrible irredeemable monster  .

[NoForgiveness]

Wait... what? When did Cullen come in contact with the mages from Act of Mercy? That was Ser Karras and he is a ****. The bit with Wilmod, he was harsh with him, but I give him a little room there because of it being so close to the Broken Circle. Doesn't make it right, even if Wilmod was possessed, but I can see why he is so scared there. Fear leads to anger so some green dude said. He got promoted because Meredith "believed" he saw things like she did. He had a very hardline approach with the mages and remember Meredith was against Alrik's idea so she wasn't total bonkers until Act III. Just saying you know.

 

I meant in act 3. Grace and thrak's little alliance thingy. he says "put the mages to question" which is short for torture them until they spill the beans.
 

[Vilegrim]

Then you had your eye's shut and you ears pluged...

Spoiler

 

Such a horrible irredeemable monster  .

 

 

empty words.  Do something or be equally as guilty.  Makes him a coward (which I already called him) as well as a murderer.

[leaguer of one]

I have no doubt that Gregoir was trying to help him or whatever. And yes Cullen dealt with the hand he was given as best he knew how. But all this doesn't change the fact that his mental stability is questionable for most or all of da2.  

Hard not to be scared near crazy by what he  had  seen. DA2 scared him back to a proper state.

[leaguer of one]

I meant in act 3. Grace and thrak's little alliance thingy. he says "put the mages to question" which is short for torture them until they spill the beans.
 

That's a stretch by a long shot. Sorry but you have to prove he ordered them to be tortured not speculate that they were.

[NoForgiveness]

 

 

Such a horrible irredeemable monster  .

 

Sparing 3 mages and slaughtering the rest still counts as being a monster....
 

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

I have no doubt that Gregoir was trying to help him or whatever. And yes Cullen dealt with the hand he was given as best he knew how. But all this doesn't change the fact that his mental stability is questionable for most or all of da2.  

Act I, absolutely. I was surprised he wasn't killing first asking questions later. He seemed to be a lot more level headed than I would have been. Act II it's getting a bit better, but we don't see much from him here really. Act III he hasn't fallen into being like Meredith or Alrik so I'd say he got some therapy in Kirkwall or something. He should have been right with Meredith come The Last Straw and not even blinked, he didn't. That's growth emotionally, mentally, and character wise.

[leaguer of one]

empty words.  Do something or be equally as guilty.  Makes him a coward (which I already called him) as well as a murderer.

But he did do something. He saw that the annulment went too far and with Hawke's backing he stopped it. And then turned on Meredith. Sorry but that is "something".

[Vilegrim]

But he did do something. He saw that the annulment went too far and with Hawke's backing he stopped it. And then turned on Meredith. Sorry but that is "something".

 

 

Name one right of traquility he refused to preform. Those alone forever damn him.

 

 

If you do not think so, then you should have no problem with every member of the chantry being made tranquil.

[leaguer of one]

Sparing 3 mages and slaughtering the rest still counts as being a monster....
 

The 3 who came after the battle and not counting the rest who did not show up. Added while all this was going on Orseno was turning the rest of his student into one big potato person so the majority were dead before they were given a chance to surrender and not by templer blades.

[NoForgiveness]

Hard not to be scared near crazy by what he  had  seen. DA2 scared him back to a proper state.

 

I didn't say it wasn't.... and no that remains to be seen.

 

That's a stretch by a long shot. Sorry but you have to prove he ordered them to be tortured not speculate that they were.

 

this is still medieval times right? last i checked there was plenty of torture in medieval stuffs. It has been mentioned before that Templars have tortured people. i don't see anything that has led me to believe they do anything other then torture those mages. Especially given that grace was a blood mage.
 

[leaguer of one]

Name one right of traquility he refused to preform. Those alone forever damn him.

 

 

If you do not think so, then you should have no problem with every member of the chantry being made tranquil.

Name one that he did. And you do have to remember their are mage who request it.

 

The only issue with tranquility is if it forced.

[Vilegrim]

I didn't say it wasn't.... and no that remains to be seen.

 

 

this is still medieval times right? last i checked there was plenty of torture in medieval stuffs. It has been mentioned before that Templars have tortured people. i don't see anything that has led me to believe they do anything other then torture those mages. Especially given that grace was a blood mage.
 

 

 

also add that 'Being put to the question' has been a euphemism for a very long time, and couldn't have been used unknowingly.

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

I meant in act 3. Grace and thrak's little alliance thingy. he says "put the mages to question" which is short for torture them until they spill the beans.
 

Ok I know where you are talking about now. When they go blood mage and kidnap a loved one. Gotcha. Same page now. That is true that the interrogation we know about from say Redemption and the like, means torture them, I can't say with certainty that all Templars did that. Seems kind of stupid if you have a blood mage, to make a blood mage bleed right? They would just summon a demon and then it's on. Whether or not that was what Cullen intended, I don't know. Maybe we will find out his views on torture in DA:I? As big a cop out as it sounds, unless you are the one doing the questioning, you don't know what methods are being implored on the prisoner. Ignorance isn't excuse. It is why I put blame at the Grand Cleric's feet honestly. She says she is aware, but doesn't agree with Meredith's methods but does nothing to stop them. I would like to believe that having been tortured himself, Cullen would never subject someone to that. He would call for them to be made tranquil first, but I could be totally wrong. That is why I need this game NOW!

[Vilegrim]

Name one that he did. And you do have to remember their are mage who request it.

 

The only issue with tranquility is if it forced.

 

 

No, brain washing a child into wanting a lobotomy when they grow up is not less monstrous than holding down someone who is unwilling. 

 

But given that answer you are fine with every member of the chantry being made tranquil and sexually abused, as Cullen knew was happening in Kirkwall?

[leaguer of one]

I didn't say it wasn't.... and no that remains to be seen.

 

 

this is still medieval times right? last i checked there was plenty of torture in medieval stuffs. It has been mentioned before that Templars have tortured people. i don't see anything that has led me to believe they do anything other then torture those mages. Especially given that grace was a blood mage.
 

Sorry, proof. No speculation. And the setting is a bit to high tech and high think to be medieval.

[Vilegrim]

Sorry, proof. No speculation. And the setting is a bit to high tech and high think to be medieval.

 

 

'the question' is a standard euphemism, and we have seen that torture is used in the DA verse.  This is like claiming the 'Tranquil Solution' isn't refering to forced tranquility of mages who passed the test.

[leaguer of one]

No, brain washing a child into wanting a lobotomy when they grow up is not less monstrous than holding down someone who is unwilling. 

 

But given that answer you are fine with every member of the chantry being made tranquil and sexually abused, as Cullen knew was happening in Kirkwall?

It not brain washing if they are constantly being attacked in their dreams  by demon and the choice is ether tranquility, going made or becoming an abomination.

 

And you did not answer my question. I asked if you can point to me when did made a mage traquil. And Cullen has no power over other knight captains.

[leaguer of one]

'the question' is a standard euphemism, and we have seen that torture is used in the DA verse.  This is like claiming the 'Tranquil Solution' isn't refering to forced tranquility of mages who passed the test.

No it not. It's a speculation. No proof means speculation.