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[Nimlowyn]

Come to the dark side... we have cookies

I'll come for the Cullen and stay for the cookies!

 

What I find fascinating about Cullen is that he has seen the good, the bad and the ugly from both sides of this debate. How is he processing this, in both his duty and in his heart? It seems like he may be searching for (finding?) the middle way between extremes, and I think that is something the world sorely needs.  I am really looking forward to seeing how far he's come from the terrified, traumatized man I came across trapped in Kinloch Hold. 

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

eh. idk this was in a dungeon(presumably in the gallows). its hard to see how that could be over looked. Plus I seriously doubt Cullen is above torture or just about any of the other "abuses" the Templars are known for. Wouldn't peg him as a rapist though...

I guess only time will tell, neither of us can be 100% sure either way. It will be interesting to see what he has to say and I take Cullen as a straight shooter so I doubt he would sugar coat it all just so he will look good in the Inquisitors eyes

EDIT: And no way, definitely not a rapist.

[Asdrubael Vect]

eh. idk this was in a dungeon(presumably in the gallows). its hard to see how that could be over looked. Plus I seriously doubt Cullen is above torture or just about any of the other "abuses" the Templars are known for. Wouldn't peg him as a rapist though...

no he is not. and you can see this in epilogue of DAO and his bad attitude for mages was a reason why he is from a ordinary soldier was very quickly become second in command in Kirkwal Circle because Meredith like what he is doing and Cullen support Meredith bullshit for years when many captans said that she was crazy and try to make a report to Divine what Cullen does not do when he must...Cullen was no good than Meredith who was crazy because of Red Lyrium and Elthina who for years do nothing when she was must do, even when Divine herself command her to leave her post before this is not to late

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

eh. idk this was in a dungeon(presumably in the gallows). its hard to see how that could be over looked. Plus I seriously doubt Cullen is above torture or just about any of the other "abuses" the Templars are known for. Wouldn't peg him as a rapist though...

Are you talking about Redemption? I think that says "Chantry Prison" so it's not in the Gallows. I took it to be beneath the Chantry actually or near there which again *eyeballs Grand Cleric* tsk tsk. As far as the "abuses" Cullen might have been a part too (speculation as we never see him participate or even mention anything outside of Wilmod)... the most I would give him is roughing up a prisoner. He has too deep of an integrity streak to go above to the harsher more evil Templar treatments. Anyone willing to die to protect others isn't normally the type to go all morally corrupt you know?

[NoForgiveness]

Are you talking about Redemption? I think that says "Chantry Prison" so it's not in the Gallows. I took it to be beneath the Chantry actually or near there which again *eyeballs Grand Cleric* tsk tsk. As far as the "abuses" Cullen might have been a part too (speculation as we never see him participate or even mention anything outside of Wilmod)... the most I would give him is roughing up a prisoner. He has too deep of an integrity streak to go above to the harsher more evil Templar treatments. Anyone willing to die to protect others isn't normally the type to go all morally corrupt you know?

 

"mages cannot be treated like people".... I think morals are gone as far as mages go.

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

I'll come for the Cullen and stay for the cookies!

 

What I find fascinating about Cullen is that he has seen the good, the bad and the ugly from both sides of this debate. How is he processing this, in both his duty and in his heart? It seems like he may be searching for (finding?) the middle way between extremes, and I think that is something the world sorely needs.  I am really looking forward to seeing how far he's come from the terrified, traumatized man I came across trapped in Kinloch Hold. 

Lion Helm hat rack on the right, cookies to the left. Welcome aboard.

 

These are the reasons I find Cullen such an important part of our team and why I advocate he is a fine choice for a military adviser. For a character we have had such little interaction with, there is an endless pool of intricacies there. He is the only one to have seen two circles fall for various reasons, been in a Blight, tortured and be the only survivor, and yet he is still trying to save people. Even more than ever in Inquisition as it says in his bio "Cullen is through waiting for others to act, and he's determined that the Inquisition will make a difference for the people of Thedas." After everything, he has every reason to just be done, but he does the opposite from running... he stands and fights. What's the difference between a hero and a normal person? A normal person runs from danger, a hero runs toward it.

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

"mages cannot be treated like people".... I think morals are gone as far as mages go.

I thought he said "Mages aren't like you and me." Then makes reference to the infernal whispering of the demons and that was Act I right after the Broken Circle events. I reiterate the point of he was always nice to the mages in Ferelden and look what happened? They summoned demons, tortured him, and killed his friends. At this point in time, he has a very skewed viewpoint. A viewpoint that does change with time. Just saying. Morals are still there. He doesn't say kill them all or burn the circle to the ground.

[NoForgiveness]

 

These are the reasons I find Cullen such an important part of our team and why I advocate he is a fine choice for a military adviser. For a character we have had such little interaction with, there is an endless pool of intricacies there. He is the only one to have seen two circles fall for various reasons, been in a Blight, tortured and be the only survivor, and yet he is still trying to save people. Even more than ever in Inquisition as it says in his bio "Cullen is through waiting for others to act, and he's determined that the Inquisition will make a difference for the people of Thedas." After everything, he has every reason to just be done, but he does the opposite from running... he stands and fights. What's the difference between a hero and a normal person? A normal person runs from danger, a hero runs toward it.

 

This why im sort of liking that he is in the game... but I just really don't see the leader/advisor in him. Blackwall seems like such a better choice.

 

 

I also wish I could actually punch myself in the face for saying I want Cullen in the game.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

I just want to say that I think this might be the first successful thread --other than the official Cullen thread-- to discuss Cullen without it turning into absolute anarchy and I think that is brilliant. Two thumbs up guys! I'm enjoying the debates we are having here

It better not of gone to the crapper in the time it took me to post this or I will be most disappointed.

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

This why im sort of liking that he is in the game... but I just really don't see the leader/advisor in him. Blackwall seems like such a better choice.

 

 

I also wish I could actually punch myself in the face for saying I want Cullen in the game.

I don't know anything about Blackwall really so I can't make that judgement. I just know the bits about Cullen and I think he will prove himself to you. So no face punching because he really is a great character that we will FINALLY get to see the true depth of his metal

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

This why im sort of liking that he is in the game... but I just really don't see the leader/advisor in him. Blackwall seems like such a better choice.
 
 
I also wish I could actually punch myself in the face for saying I want Cullen in the game.

Oh don't be so hard on yourself, the best characters are the ones that create strong and conflicting emotions within you

[NoForgiveness]

I thought he said "Mages aren't like you and me." Then makes reference to the infernal whispering of the demons and that was Act I right after the Broken Circle events. I reiterate the point of he was always nice to the mages in Ferelden and look what happened? They summoned demons, tortured him, and killed his friends. At this point in time, he has a very skewed viewpoint. A viewpoint that does change with time. Just saying. Morals are still there. He doesn't say kill them all or burn the circle to the ground.

 

the full line is "mages cannot be treated like people. They are not like you and me."  Always found that funny with a mage Hawke.

[NoForgiveness]

Oh don't be so hard on yourself, the best characters are the ones that create strong and conflicting emotions within you

 

Hasn't been conflicting... Its been pure hate until today actually.
 

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

the full line is "mages cannot be treated like people. They are not like you and me."  Always found that funny with a mage Hawke.

Ahaha yeah, as I said before, Cullen could be quite oblivious (or he may have chosen for some reason to ignore that Hawker was a Mage). That's one of the main reasons that I believe he didn't know about all the naughty things that other Templars were doing right under his nose.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Hasn't been conflicting... Its been pure hate until today actually.

But you are feeling a bit conflicted now though, no?

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

the full line is "mages cannot be treated like people. They are not like you and me."  Always found that funny with a mage Hawke.

Ok yeah that's it. Thanks for finding it. And I totally eyebrowed him with my mage when he says that. But what I think that means is he is at the point in that moment of seeing mages not as people people but as weapons. Something to be feared and taken very seriously. You can't be friends with them because they don't want to be your friend. It is a knee jerk reaction to what is still so front and center in his mind. Is it the right opinion? Nope. Does it have merit? Sort of. Mages are weapons, but they are people to. You treat them the way you want to be treated, but you respect that they can shoot lighting at you for being an idiot. He comes around. It takes time, but he is human. He is entitled to make a mistake. At least he doesn't go all postal on every mage he sees right?

 

*Edit: because I put can not can't. yes I can can can:) *

[The Elder King]

If Cullen had anything to do with torture or "doing what has to be done" he'd be a great addition to the team. But last time he tried to torture someone, if Hawke wasn't there to save him he'd be food for crows. On the other hand Templars are wussies and can only torture scared little girls.

Where can an honest Inquisitor find useful people to recruit?

1)there's no proof Wilmod would've killed Cullen (and event then, lorewise abominations>mortals).
2)You didn't read Asunder, I take it?

This why im sort of liking that he is in the game... but I just really don't see the leader/advisor in him. Blackwall seems like such a better choice.


I also wish I could actually punch myself in the face for saying I want Cullen in the game.

Blackwall isn't part of the Chantry.

[NoForgiveness]

But you are feeling a bit conflicted now though, no?

 

About his potential as a character in dai.... but not as he stands in da2 or dao(still hate on those fronts). Not that I ever thought he was a bad character just not one I ever liked.

[NoForgiveness]

Blackwall isn't part of the Chantry.

 

Does he need to be? He's part of the inquisition. The only difference in position between the 2 is that one is a companion and the other advisor. They could easily be switched and itd still make sense.
 

[Nimlowyn]

Lion Helm hat rack on the right, cookies to the left. Welcome aboard.

 

These are the reasons I find Cullen such an important part of our team and why I advocate he is a fine choice for a military adviser. For a character we have had such little interaction with, there is an endless pool of intricacies there. He is the only one to have seen two circles fall for various reasons, been in a Blight, tortured and be the only survivor, and yet he is still trying to save people. Even more than ever in Inquisition as it says in his bio "Cullen is through waiting for others to act, and he's determined that the Inquisition will make a difference for the people of Thedas." After everything, he has every reason to just be done, but he does the opposite from running... he stands and fights. What's the difference between a hero and a normal person? A normal person runs from danger, a hero runs toward it.

YAY!! I lurk in the Cullen thread sometime, you guys are awesome.

 

His years as Knight Captain and the central role he played to returning order to Kirkwall after a terrorist attack and a mini-civil war certainly add to his credentials. Given all his experiences, and his drive and energy to solve these big problems, while most everyone else is embroiled in their own skirmishes, he seems ideal to me. Cassandra apparently thinks so, if she is going to trust him enough to give him this post. 

 

Excellent, poignant point at the end too. If I'd gone through half of what Cullen did I'd probably get fed up and get drunk at the Hanged Man...then again I'm a normal person. 

[Asdrubael Vect]

this is two DAO epilogues what mention Cullen

 

Circle not given independence

“Once the tower was rebuilt, Knight-Commander Gregoir stepped down from his post and retired to a life of private contemplation as a brother in the Chantry. His health failed over time, and after refusing treatment, he perished in his sleep. Knight-Commander Cullen was said to be more strict and less trusting of the mages even than Greagoir was. He ruled the Circle with fear.”

Circle given independence
“The young templar Cullen never quite recovered from his ordeal. After months of attempting to convince his superiors that the tower was still a danger, he finally snapped and killed three apprentices before being stopped by his fellow templars. Eventually, Cullen escaped from prison, a madman and a threat to any mage he encountered.”

[J-Reyno]

I think Cullen is is an obvious choice over Blackwall.

 

Blackwall may be a veteran soldier and someone of note among the Wardens, but let's not forget what the purpose of the Wardens is. They fight the darkspawn.  Also IIRC Blackwall is described as someone who prefers to be among the rank and file, someone who's in the thick of it with the men fighting rather than being a leader who gives orders.  His being a companion makes more sense.  We know that Cullen has been in command, and very likely has much more experience fighting the major threat here: demons.  Cullen has been tortured by blood mages, but he's also fought against them on more than one account.  Them and their demons.  And he has experience in leading and I'm sure, teaching, other soldiers to do the same.

 

That actually kind of makes him an obvious choice in general.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Blackwall isn't part of the Chantry.

and this would make him much better advisor and general to our troops, he was even a Warden-Constable of Grey Wardens

 

the grey wardens are one the best soldiers in whole Thedas who have actual view of situation(without Orlais Chatry bullshit propoganda) and who know how to deal with many enemys and how to command many different peoples

[The Elder King]

Does he need to be? He's part of the inquisition. The only difference in position between the 2 is that one is a companion and the other advisor. They could easily be switched and itd still make sense.

The Inquisition start up as something inside the Chantry, with Cassandra recruiting the leading members, apparently. It makes sense she trusts a pro-Chantry person like Cullen more then a Grey Warden. Plus, considering it was something inside the Chantry, I don't see why they'd recruit someone outside of it.
And I doubt Blackwall would want to permanently leave the Wardens.

[The Elder King]

this is two DAO epilogues what mention Cullen
 
Circle not given independence
“Once the tower was rebuilt, Knight-Commander Gregoir stepped down from his post and retired to a life of private contemplation as a brother in the Chantry. His health failed over time, and after refusing treatment, he perished in his sleep. Knight-Commander Cullen was said to be more strict and less trusting of the mages even than Greagoir was. He ruled the Circle with fear.”
Circle given independence
“The young templar Cullen never quite recovered from his ordeal. After months of attempting to convince his superiors that the tower was still a danger, he finally snapped and killed three apprentices before being stopped by his fellow templars. Eventually, Cullen escaped from prison, a madman and a threat to any mage he encountered.”

Retconnetted.  

and this would make him much better advisor and general to our troops he was even a Warden-Constable of Grey Wardens

See my post above.