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[J-Reyno]

this is two DAO epilogues what mention Cullen

 

Circle not given independence

“Once the tower was rebuilt, Knight-Commander Gregoir stepped down from his post and retired to a life of private contemplation as a brother in the Chantry. His health failed over time, and after refusing treatment, he perished in his sleep. Knight-Commander Cullen was said to be more strict and less trusting of the mages even than Greagoir was. He ruled the Circle with fear.”

Circle given independence
“The young templar Cullen never quite recovered from his ordeal. After months of attempting to convince his superiors that the tower was still a danger, he finally snapped and killed three apprentices before being stopped by his fellow templars. Eventually, Cullen escaped from prison, a madman and a threat to any mage he encountered.”

Frankly, the epilogues mean nothing.  I believe it's been said they should be treated as something like rumors.  Meaning they can be disregarded.

 

An Anders epilogue in Awakening states that he remains with the Wardens forever.  Another has him dying in the final battle.  DA2 shows that neither happened.

[NoForgiveness]

 

 

  Also IIRC Blackwall is described as someone who prefers to be among the rank and file, someone who's in the thick of it with the men fighting rather than being a leader who gives orders. 

That's a point for blackwall then in my book. Commanders who fight side by side with their troop inspire so much more loyalty and all that stuffs.

The Inquisition start up as something inside the Chantry, with Cassandra recruiting the leading members, apparently. It makes sense she trusts a pro-Chantry person like Cullen more then a Grey Warden. Plus, considering it was something inside the Chantry, I don't see why they'd recruit someone outside of it.
And I doubt Blackwall would want to permanently leave the Wardens.

 

That's a reason that he would be easier to acquire then someone like blackwall. It doesn't explain why he would be more suited to leading/advising troops in a sort of war. Blackwall has years fighting darkspawn and commanding wardens. He just generally seems like a better choice.

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

YAY!! I lurk in the Cullen thread sometime, you guys are awesome.

 

His years as Knight Captain and the central role he played to returning order to Kirkwall after a terrorist attack and a mini-civil war certainly add to his credentials. Given all his experiences, and his drive and energy to solve these big problems, while most everyone else is embroiled in their own skirmishes, he seems ideal to me. Cassandra apparently thinks so, if she is going to trust him enough to give him this post. 

 

Excellent, poignant point at the end too. If I'd gone through half of what Cullen did I'd probably get fed up and get drunk at the Hanged Man...then again I'm a normal person. 

You and me both, sug. I'd be a hot mess. Cullen also knows Templar military tactics that will be very helpful with those Red Templars. The guy has seen some serious fighting and lived. I'd listen to him if I wanted to survive.

 

 

*just imagine Cullen's face there*

[Nimlowyn]

You and me both, sug. I'd be a hot mess. Cullen also knows Templar military tactics that will be very helpful with those Red Templars. The guy has seen some serious fighting and lived. I'd listen to him if I wanted to survive.

 

*snip the Terminator*

 

*just imagine Cullen's face there*

Oh my gosh someone MUST make that gif with Cullen's face I will keel over with laughter! And maybe swoon, just a little.

 

Good point about the Red Templars. I wonder what Cullen has to say about that. I imagine him being very disappointed, and very vital in our efforts to counteract them. 

[BobZilla84]

Honestly after reading the interview my opinion of Cullen hasn't changed much I have however changed my mind on the whole Military advisor issue I dont really care one way or another because I plan on being Pro-Mage in all my games anyway so if his advice benefits me and my Inquisition then maybe I will listen to him but if not he can just sit there quietly.

 

Slightly Off Topic

What do you think Cullen will do if The Inquisitor sides with the Mages during the Mage/Templar War do you think he will follow as the Templars are destroyed by the Inquistion and the Mages?

 

Just Curious

[Ashelsu]

A bit late  for this, but about Meredith becoming a Templar and Knight-Commander.

I don't think there is a long line of people wanting to be Holy Warriors (demons and abominations, going crazy from lyrium addiction, no families and such). So the primary sources are.

1. Orphans raised (and brainwashed) by the Chantry. (Meredith, Alistair, maybe Cullen himself - I think it was mentioned we will find out - because we don't even know his complete name).

2. Poor people who wish to get some job (Kerran).

3. Nobility's third sons (Sebastian).

4. People who really want to become Templars because of their own convictions.

So you don't have much choice, exactly. The Order does have poor personnel policy. And one thing Meredith did not lack was her determination to become a Templar.

I also suspect people in Thedas don't know much about PTSD and its complications. Add Kirkwall craziness to that, and, well...

As for Meredith becoming Knight-Commander, it was Elthina's decision. Why would she do that is another question. I would guess there are not many (15?) Knight-Commanders at all, and unlikely anyone of them is appointed from fresh Knight-Leitenant.

 

I hope Cullen will remain a Templar. If he leaves the Order, pro-mage players would be happy, but the story would become rather one-sided (you can only be a good Templar when you stop to be a Templar).

[Asdrubael Vect]

The Inquisition start up as something inside the Chantry, with Cassandra recruiting the leading members, apparently. It makes sense she trusts a pro-Chantry person like Cullen more then a Grey Warden. Plus, considering it was something inside the Chantry, I don't see why they'd recruit someone outside of it.
And I doubt Blackwall would want to permanently leave the Wardens.

 "Inquisition are not related to the Chantry"(с)
 
and i do not believe in bullshit that Seeker recruit as general some Templar when she have a bunch of Seekers who was a much better soldiers then Templars...Templars are bad warriors and Cullen was never a good one what we see in DAO and DA2
 
Blackwall was a Warden Constable and he leave wardens when he join to us and the grey wardens are one the best soldiers in whole Thedas who have actual view of situation(without Orlais Chatry bullshit propoganda) and who know how to deal with many enemies and how to command many different peoples

 

i do not like that we are forced to have advisors and companions like Cassandra, Lelianna and especially Cullen...it was a big mistake for Bioware to do such thing and i hope that i was mistaken and we can get rid of them from Inquisition

[NoForgiveness]

 

Slightly Off Topic

What do you think Cullen will do if The Inquisitor sides with the Mages during the Mage/Templar War do you think he will follow as the Templars are destroyed by the Inquistion and the Mages?

 

Just Curious

 

Read Asunder? im thinking he may go down the line of Evangeline. which would probably make me like him. 

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

Oh my gosh someone MUST make that gif with Cullen's face I will keel over with laughter! And maybe swoon, just a little.

 

Good point about the Red Templars. I wonder what Cullen has to say about that. I imagine him being very disappointed, and very vital in our efforts to counteract them. 

Someone totally does. I will fall on the floor laughing!

 

I'm thinking Cullen might have been gone before they started taking the red lyrium or that it was an after school special where he said "red lyrium is whack" then he left. What I can't wait to find out is where is came from? Did naughty Nathaniel Howe and the Grey Wardens find a stockpile of it and bring it back not knowing about what happened with Meredith? Also, is Cullen still taking regular lyrium? Will we have to do an intervention to keep him from becoming like Samson in DA2? Dadgum it... is it October already?! *sobs*

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

this is two DAO epilogues what mention Cullen

 

Circle not given independence

“Once the tower was rebuilt, Knight-Commander Gregoir stepped down from his post and retired to a life of private contemplation as a brother in the Chantry. His health failed over time, and after refusing treatment, he perished in his sleep. Knight-Commander Cullen was said to be more strict and less trusting of the mages even than Greagoir was. He ruled the Circle with fear.”

Circle given independence
“The young templar Cullen never quite recovered from his ordeal. After months of attempting to convince his superiors that the tower was still a danger, he finally snapped and killed three apprentices before being stopped by his fellow templars. Eventually, Cullen escaped from prison, a madman and a threat to any mage he encountered.”

 

I always thought that these epilogues were to be taken with a grain of salt? Any who, I didn't get either of these in an of my play-through's. In fact, Cullen didn't get mentioned once in any of my epilogues no matter what class/gender I played or what decisions I have made. I have talked to others that have has the same thing happen to them, as to why I think that these epilogues can't be taken as gospel. Semi confirmed rumors maybe? 

[yullyuk]

im quite happy that cullen is returning, i dont really see what the fandom around him is all about since we know very little about him at this point. But i know bioware will do something great with him, i mean, hes had to games worth of back story to play on so im pumped to see what they do with that, given the multiple choices that affect him over origins and 2

[Asdrubael Vect]

I always thought that these epilogues were to be taken with a grain of salt? Any who, I didn't get either of these in an of my play-through's. In fact, Cullen didn't get mentioned once in any of my epilogues no matter what class/gender I played or what decisions I have made. I have talked to others that have has the same thing happen to them, as to why I think that these epilogues can't be taken as gospel. Semi confirmed rumors maybe? 

actually by this decidions in DA2(if not bugged) is mentioned that Cullen kill those 3 mages and his attitude for mages was a reason why Meredith make him second in command from ordinary soldier what he was in Kirkwall

 

 in Ferelden Chantry Cirlce was banned and Orlais Chanty Templars was must leave

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

actually by this decidions in DA2(if not bugged) is mentioned that Cullen kill those 3 mages and his attitude for mages was a reason why Meredith make him second in command from ordinary soldier what he is become in Kirkwall

I never sided with the Templars so can you please let me know where it says he killed these mages? The one video I found referring to 3 mages, I posted earlier and he advocates sparing their lives not killing them.

 

http://dragonage.wik...-Captain_Cullen I can't find it here.

 

*Edited to include DA2 Codex entry*

[Allan Schumacher]

He still followed what Hawke says. 

 

So some first hand experience from the other side on taking counsel from an advisor?

[Asdrubael Vect]

I never sided with the Templars so can you please let me know where it says he killed these mages? The one video I found referring to 3 mages, I posted earlier and he advocates sparing their lives not killing them.

 

http://dragonage.wik...-Captain_Cullen I can't find it here.

 

*Edited to include DA2 Codex entry*

i playing a long time ago in DA2 but it was some talks in DA2 that he kill some aprentices in Ferelden as i remember

 

even if this small stuff was not comfirmed he still do so many sh*t in Kirlwal to be executed as Meredith(with those captains what we killed) and Elthina. he with lelianna really deserve it

 

even those 3 mages who as we can understand will be tranquil was saved by hawke not by Cullen who does not save any mage, not from tranquill too

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

i playing a longg time ago in DA2 but it was some talks in DA2 that he kill some aprentices in Ferelden as i remember

 

even if this small stuff it was not comfirmed he still do so many **** in Kirlwal to be executed as Meredith and Elthina

I never came across that dialogue. If someone could find that for me I would be most appreciative. What things did he do to warrant execution? I never had him say Kill all the Mages like Meredith or admit to knowing about what Meredith was doing, but refuse to stop her like Elthina. The blurbs on DA:O are the one thing I call a "retcon", but others have said are to be dismissed as rumor and I never came across this Alrik-esque Cullen. I met a young man who had been through a horrible ordeal that was having a crisis of self and decided he couldn't trust his own judgement so he would never question his superiors again. A young man who with time found out that wasn't the right way either and steps up to openly defy his commanding officer. No torture, no killing, slightly misguided at times, but never cruel.

[Asdrubael Vect]

So some first hand experience from the other side on taking counsel from an advisor?

will we have a option to replace-get rid(execute or at least send far away) of Cullen, Casandra and leliana from Inquisition?

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

So some first hand experience from the other side on taking counsel from an advisor?

 

Hah that gets a special like......... LIKE! BioWare, give me back my LIKES. I will use them more wisely this time, I promise.

[Allan Schumacher]

will we have a option to replace-get rid(execute or at least send far away) of Cullen, Casandra and leliana from Inquisition?

 

If I give you an answer on this one way or another, I'd consider it a spoiler.  Which I typically prefer to not ever do.

 

My suggestion though is that, lacking other information, assume that you cannot so that you won't be stuck hoping for something that might not happen.  You can either come to terms with it and let yourself enjoy it for what it is, or you can evaluate if the game is appropriate for you because of this.

[esper]

I have many problem with Cullen, one being that he betrayed Meridith for the wrong reasons. (Ie. Not because the annullment was unfair or because she was crazy, but because she tried to kill Hawke). It does not exactly give me as a player a reason to trust he would not turn on me.

 

But the biggest problem that is that he is emotionally (and maybe even mentally) unstable and if there is one thing thing I want in an advisor it is a clear head, heart and ability to be as objective as humanly possible.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

actually by this decidions in DA2(if not bugged) is mentioned that Cullen kill those 3 mages and his attitude for mages was a reason why Meredith make him second in command from ordinary soldier what he was in Kirkwall

 

 in Ferelden Chantry Cirlce was banned and Orlais Chanty Templars was must leave

 

Yeah Cullen's stance on how Mages needed to be handled changed dramatically from what it was like at the very beginning of DA:O, he definitely became "hardened" after broken circle --not saying that some of the things he said were right but it is understandable why he would feel this way after what happened to him-- so I can see Meredith taking him on because his views would have been similar to hers at the beginning of DA:2. But where is it mentioned in DA:2 that he killed three Mages? Because I missed it completely.   

[RGC_Ines]

Im not happy with Cullen as MA, especially after I saw interview with Brianne Battye. While Cullen will commands the Inquisition's military forces, and the player will have " plenty of reasons" to seek his assistance, Im curious what Cullen will do if I will want to help mages against Templars/Chantry. Will he refuse to send troops for help? Will he rebel, or leave my PC on a battlefield like Loghain done in DA:O. How can I trust him as an Adviser, knowing his opinion about mages and all things he done/not done in previous two games. To be honest I would prefer to have someone from a new NPCs on this position.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Im not happy with Cullen as MA, especially after I saw interview with Brianne Battye. While Cullen will commands the Inquisition's military forces, and the player will have " plenty of reasons" to seek his assistance, Im curious what Cullen will do if I will want to help mages against Templars/Chantry. Will he refuse to send troops for help? Will he rebel, or leave my PC on a battlefield like Loghain done in DA:O. How can I trust him as an Adviser, knowing his opinion about mages and all things he done/not done in previous two games. To be honest I would prefer to have someone from a new NPCs on this position.

this is what i am and others are talking about too

 

i find this not making sense that our advisors and companions are lelianna and Cullen with Cassandra who are not a neutral peoples and from Orlais Chantry and Orlais factions...the same Blackwall  as Grey Warden Constable would be much better candidate for military adviser

 

and for spy stuff i would prefer other person not a Leliana who was a bard and Chantry spy

[The Elder King]

That's a point for blackwall then in my book. Commanders who fight side by side with their troop inspire so much more loyalty and all that stuffs.

 
That's a reason that he would be easier to acquire then someone like blackwall. It doesn't explain why he would be more suited to leading/advising troops in a sort of war. Blackwall has years fighting darkspawn and commanding wardens. He just generally seems like a better choice.

 
I'm not saying Cullen would be better then Blackwall. We don't have enough info on their leading skills to form a definitive opinion on both. My point was more on the reason why Cullen become the advisor and Blackwall isn't.

"Inquisition are not related to the Chantry"(с)
 
and i do not believe in bullshit that Seeker recruit as general some Templar when she have a bunch of Seekers who was a much better soldiers then Templars...Templars are bad warriors and Cullen was never a good one what we see in DAO and DA2
 
Blackwall was a Warden Constable and he leave wardens when he join to us and the grey wardens are one the best soldiers in whole Thedas who have actual view of situation(without Orlais Chatry bullshit propoganda) and who know how to deal with many enemies and how to command many different peoples
 
i do not like that we are forced to have advisors and companions like Cassandra, Lelianna and especially Cullen...it was a big mistake for Bioware to do such thing and i hope that i was mistaken and we can get rid of them from Inquisition

The moment you take control, the Inquisition isn't related to the Chantry. Cassandra separated it from the Chantry.
There aren't many Seekers cassandra can recruit. The majority of them left the Chantry to fight and hunt mages. And your opinion on the templars skills are subjective. Regardless of what you think, it seems Cullen turns out to be good leader in the time between DA2 and DAI.