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[The Elder King]

Inquisitor can choose chaos on Orlais lands and this breach is destroy just Orlais Empire and can get some Ferelden lands but who cares

I doubt you can choose to let the Breach destroy Orlais. Your main goal is to stop the Breach.

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

We need to get a fist bump gif for each other to use when we run out of likes, because come on, you know it's coming.................. LIKE!   

 

It really is just silly, I'm actually starting to wonder if they are going to find any enjoyment in this game at all. From the sounds of it, a lot of them are more concerned with bringing down the Chanrty than actually closing the breach that is going to, you know, destroy all of Thedas. 

Yes! We must have fist bump gif!

 

You would think Apocalypse trumps destroying the organized religion as well even if you brought the Chantry down there would still be Andrastian followers. Unless you kill everyone in Thedas, which means you don't seal the breaches and therefore just don't play the game. I'm also amazed at empathy for a traitor, but no empathy for a torture victim. I still just beg for the argument saying Cullen is a horrible choice to be a military adviser would cite some real examples. Give it a real debate you know. I am open to listen. I am a fluid person. It just seems like the anti-argument is based more in speculation on his faith or supposed lack of military experience or that they can't trust him. I would like to know the actions he has done that makes him less trustworthy than Loghain or even Blackwall whom we haven't even met. Not saying they're wrong, just would like more actual dialogue less grousing. But that's just my opinion.

[esper]

It's more or less the same situation as in ME2, with you joining at the leader of the operation With an already formed group. Considering the current threat the Inquisitor is forced to accept the other members (after all, you do know who you're joining).
The difference with ME2 is that there is nobody above you.
If we'd have founded the Inquisition, It'd have been more reasonable that we choose the leading members. But we don't. We join an already existing organization.

 

Well I never felt like the leader of any orgnaisation whose direction I could influence in me2, but rather the captain of a small strike team who had an uneasy and very unstable alliance with organisation whose idealogy I had no influence over. Both parties knew that as soon as the mission was over so was any loyalty.

 

We suppossed to be able to form the Inqusition's opinion of stuff, there is a difference. I had expected we could pick our allies somewhat.

[The Elder King]

Well I never felt like the leader of any orgnaisation whose direction I could influence in me2, but rather the captain of a small strike team who had an uneasy and very unstable alliance with organisation whose idealogy I had no influence over. Both parties knew that as soon as the mission was over so was any loyalty.
 
We suppossed to be able to form the Inqusition's opinion of stuff, there is a difference. I had expected we could pick our allies somewhat.

The comparison is about leading the ship's crew-leading the Inquisition, not leading Cerberus.
Obviously in DAI our role has a bigger scale, but the comparison still fits becuase in both we have full control of something (the crew in ME2, the Inquisition in DAI), but we're still forced with the people we have.
I do hope the Inquisitor has more freedom (and based on what they said about the War table and our choices, we have), but I wasn't expecting that we can pick the other leading members.

[aTigerslunch]

I'm not anti-Cullen so to speak. I cant really say I am pro-Cullen. I know military, I lived it, and watch some of it. Military will not just throw someone into a high position just for the fun of it. They will always do this when the person is found deserving of it.

 

I still want to make changes to the Templar organization, not to get rid of them. I stated it before on some of the things I would change. Families shouldn't be separated like that. Now families also shouldn't become Templar's with siblings in that circle either. Screening of new recruits, allowing mage's freedom to see families as most in DA2 have said when talked to them, wanted to be with family or see family. One wanted a fun night once, this should not be forced away.

 

Cullen himself actually does improve, I know I seen it, but will he allow families to visit the mage's. I'm 99% percent sure he would agree to it, but if he didn't.... off with his head. Sorry Cullen, but you didn't reform.   It's also the same for a mage, not all are innocent, example, IF Jovan didn't try reforming, which in one of the endings I had, he did. Actually its true to be said for anyone. Would a blood mage renounce blood magic that is corruptible, if not, well, off with that mage's head then. Sorry blood mage, but you didn't reform.

 

Of course this is probably what most of my play throughs will end up, trying to balance, where one would lean to one side, another would lean to opposite then IF possible, one would try to wipe everyone out best that evil sumbith can do.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

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You would think Apocalypse trumps destroying the organized religion as well even if you brought the Chantry down there would still be Andrastian followers. Unless you kill everyone in Thedas, which means you don't seal the breaches and therefore just don't play the game. I'm also amazed at empathy for a traitor, but no empathy for a torture victim. I still just beg for the argument saying Cullen is a horrible choice to be a military adviser would cite some real examples. Give it a real debate you know. I am open to listen. I am a fluid person. It just seems like the anti-argument is based more in speculation on his faith or supposed lack of military experience or that they can't trust him. I would like to know the actions he has done that makes him less trustworthy than Loghain or even Blackwall whom we haven't even met. Not saying they're wrong, just would like more actual dialogue less grousing. But that's just my opinion.

 

fist bump bro 

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you likey the street fighter?

 

 

I know right? I want a constructive conversation where both sides can state their opinions and back their opinions up with evidence and knowledge that people on the other side of the debate may not have known about before. I for one have learnt something new today about what Cullen said and the actual meaning of it and I didn't get all negative because I was wrong. But yeah, Loghain, that scares the **** out of me on so many levels lol. 

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

I'm not anti-Cullen so to speak. I cant really say I am pro-Cullen. I know military, I lived it, and watch some of it. Military will not just throw someone into a high position just for the fun of it. They will always do this when the person is found deserving of it.

 

I still want to make changes to the Templar organization, not to get rid of them. I stated it before on some of the things I would change. Families shouldn't be separated like that. Now families also shouldn't become Templar's with siblings in that circle either. Screening of new recruits, allowing mage's freedom to see families as most in DA2 have said when talked to them, wanted to be with family or see family. One wanted a fun night once, this should not be forced away.

 

Cullen himself actually does improve, I know I seen it, but will he allow families to visit the mage's. I'm 99% percent sure he would agree to it, but if he didn't.... off with his head. Sorry Cullen, but you didn't reform.   It's also the same for a mage, not all are innocent, example, IF Jovan didn't try reforming, which in one of the endings I had, he did. Actually its true to be said for anyone. Would a blood mage renounce blood magic that is corruptible, if not, well, off with that mage's head then. Sorry blood mage, but you didn't reform.

 

Of course this is probably what most of my play throughs will end up, trying to balance, where one would lean to one side, another would lean to opposite then IF possible, one would try to wipe everyone out best that evil sumbith can do.

You know I want to like this, but I ran out of like so I'm a sad Panda who can only shower you with likes here.

 

I love your reform ideas. I agree 100%. I may be less head choppy, more be gone from my sight. Unless of course they get demony or murdery, then yeppers, choppity chop chop.  The part I highlighted is the best wording for why Cullen has every right to be the military adviser. So thank you

[esper]

The comparison is about leading the ship's crew-leading the Inquisition, not leading Cerberus.
Obviously in DAI our role has a bigger scale, but the comparison still fits becuase in both we have full control of something (the crew in ME2, the Inquisition in DAI), but we're still forced with the people we have.
I do hope the Inquisitor has more freedom (and based on what they said about the War table and our choices, we have), but I wasn't expecting that we can pick the other leading members.

 

Well, I was expecting our leading members to be balanced out between different idelogies to be honest and had hoped to be able to boot the sub-leaders we didn't agree with. Honestly with this I would feel better if they just dropped the whole 'your the leader' thing and instead just was honest and say 'your an influence person, but no more'. Shepherd was never the top leader, but rather the field leader.

 

And had hoped the sub leaders would be fresh characters, we hadn't formed opinions on over two games too. Cassandra/Leliana/Cullen are a lot of come again...

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

fist bump bro 

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you likey the street fighter?

 

 

I know right? I want a constructive conversation where both sides can state their opinions and back their opinions up with evidence and knowledge that people on the other side of the debate may not have known about before. I for one have learnt something new today about what Cullen said and the actual meaning of it and I didn't get all negative because I was wrong. But yeah, Loghain, that scares the **** out of me on so many levels lol. 

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I would to hear all the stuff I missed with Cullen because I never sided with the templars. I want more of that and was so grateful for actual dialogue being brought up that I got a bit wrong. I want more. Give more. I also wish that I could give Loghain that redemption arc because it sounds fascinating, but I just can't. He betrayed too many and even knowing that he won't betray the Wardens my PC doesn't know the outcome of the game so I can never have them select yes to recruiting him. I could understand people feeling that way about Cullen if we left him last at the tower in Ferelden when he was ready to kill every mage there. But since Cullen never betrayed me or anyone, just stood up for the right thing to do if you count the defying Meredith as betrayal, then doesn't he deserve a chance and a real discussion?

[aTigerslunch]

You know I want to like this, but I ran out of like so I'm a sad Panda who can only shower you with likes here.

 

I love your reform ideas. I agree 100%. I may be less head choppy, more be gone from my sight. Unless of course they get demony or murdery, then yeppers, choppity chop chop.  The part I highlighted is the best wording for why Cullen has every right to be the military adviser. So thank you

Yeah, I just ran out of likes too.    Seems to happen with you and Boom quite a bit in here for me.  so....   *Fist bump* 

[The Elder King]

I believe one of the developers said something along the lines of " take the jedi order, wouldnt it be awesome if you was there at tthe start, leading it, setting up its goal, settings its purpose" etc, all these advisors do is for me against that, im no against the actual characters, what im against is the fact there set in that roll, I should be setting that role, i should be chosing who is who an advising what.
 
Inquisitor seems more a figurehead in this department that anything else

You're still there from (nearly) the start, you lead it and set goal and purposes. They never said you can choose the other leading members though.
Mind you, I'd like this option. I just never thought It'd be possible.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

I'm not anti-Cullen so to speak. I cant really say I am pro-Cullen. I know military, I lived it, and watch some of it. Military will not just throw someone into a high position just for the fun of it. They will always do this when the person is found deserving of it.

 

I still want to make changes to the Templar organization, not to get rid of them. I stated it before on some of the things I would change. Families shouldn't be separated like that. Now families also shouldn't become Templar's with siblings in that circle either. Screening of new recruits, allowing mage's freedom to see families as most in DA2 have said when talked to them, wanted to be with family or see family. One wanted a fun night once, this should not be forced away.

 

Cullen himself actually does improve, I know I seen it, but will he allow families to visit the mage's. I'm 99% percent sure he would agree to it, but if he didn't.... off with his head. Sorry Cullen, but you didn't reform.   It's also the same for a mage, not all are innocent, example, IF Jovan didn't try reforming, which in one of the endings I had, he did. Actually its true to be said for anyone. Would a blood mage renounce blood magic that is corruptible, if not, well, off with that mage's head then. Sorry blood mage, but you didn't reform.

 

Of course this is probably what most of my play throughs will end up, trying to balance, where one would lean to one side, another would lean to opposite then IF possible, one would try to wipe everyone out best that evil sumbith can do.

 

Awh yeah, you are getting my first ever official fist bump because BioWare are stingy on the LIKES.

 

[The Elder King]

Well, I was expecting our leading members to be balanced out between different idelogies to be honest and had hoped to be able to boot the sub-leaders we didn't agree with. Honestly with this I would feel better if they just dropped the whole 'your the leader' thing and instead just was honest and say 'your an influence person, but no more'. Shepherd was never the top leader, but rather the field leader.
 
And had hoped the sub leaders would be fresh characters, we hadn't formed opinions on over two games too. Cassandra/Leliana/Cullen are a lot of come again...

I agree that having more freedom would've been better. I just never thought it was possible.
We're still supposed to have a lot of freedom and power in leading our Inquisition though.

[zooooooro]

Cullen's presence confuses me more than anything else. I feel that the merit of his position as the leader of the inquisition's military is entirely debatable and it's clear that his proponents and detractors already have their minds made up. I'd simply like to know why he was chosen for the position (by the writers, not Cassandra) and I'd rather not cry fanservice until they give an explanation, assuming they haven't already and I somehow missed it. One thing's for sure, given his history it'll be pretty interesting to see how he reacts to taking orders from a mage inquistor.

[azarhal]

I believe one of the developers said something along the lines of " take the jedi order, wouldnt it be awesome if you was there at tthe start, leading it, setting up its goal, settings its purpose" etc, all these advisors do is for me against that, im no against the actual characters, what im against is the fact there set in that roll, I should be setting that role, i should be chosing who is who an advising what.

 

Inquisitor seems more a figurehead in this department that anything else

 

The problem with the "let the player decide everything" is that you can't write the plot live. Cassandra and the advisors are there to set up the game plot and make it advance (based on the player choices, somewhat).

 

Also, the Jedi Order was governed by a council not a single person. It also fractured itself apart when its members didn't all agree on what path(s) to follow...

[aTigerslunch]

Awh yeah, you are getting my first ever official fist bump because BioWare are stingy on the LIKES.

 

Awesome!    I love it. Thanks.

[Asdrubael Vect]

damn forced advisors and companions as Cullen, Lelianna, Cassanra, Vivienne will have a very interesting conversation with my Inquisitor who mostly will answer them with

 

i dont care censored

 

shut up censored

 

get lost censored

 

go and die somewhere censored

 

(punch in face)

 

(bash them with staff)

 

(lightning bolt)

 

i should go censored

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

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I would to hear all the stuff I missed with Cullen because I never sided with the templars. I want more of that and was so grateful for actual dialogue being brought up that I got a bit wrong. I want more. Give more. I also wish that I could give Loghain that redemption arc because it sounds fascinating, but I just can't. He betrayed too many and even knowing that he won't betray the Wardens my PC doesn't know the outcome of the game so I can never have them select yes to recruiting him. I could understand people feeling that way about Cullen if we left him last at the tower in Ferelden when he was ready to kill every mage there. But since Cullen never betrayed me or anyone, just stood up for the right thing to do if you count the defying Meredith as betrayal, then doesn't he deserve a chance and a real discussion?

 

I only ever sided with the Templar's once and for two reasons. 1) I wanted to see if anything changed with Carver's dialogue if you did and 2) I wanted a deeper understanding of what drove Meredith to do the things she did, and I'm so glad I did it. You must do this! Except one thing, Cullen, I pretty much hand you Anders on a silver platter and you will what? Just pass the information along..... *face, meet palm* Really Cullen, really? See guys, I don't agree with everything he does lol.

 

And Loghain? Yeah, nah, dead. He was too blinded with his hatred for Orlais to protect his county against an immediate threat, and why would you want a man that betrayed his King and got him killed to be your Military Adviser?

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Cullen's presence confuses me more than anything else. I feel that the merit of his position as the leader of the inquisition's military is entirely debatable and it's clear that his proponents and detractors already have their minds made up. I'd simply like to know why he was chosen for the position (by the writers, not Cassandra) and I'd rather not cry fanservice until they give an explanation, assuming they haven't already and I somehow missed it. One thing's for sure, given his history it'll be pretty interesting to see how he reacts to taking orders from a mage inquistor.

 

That's the thing though isn't it? We really have no information on what he has been doing since the end of DA:2 though it did say in his blurb that he took charge and put Kirkwall back together. He could have been doing some really epic stuff in that time, but we aren't really going to find out until the games release. Though he has come from a military background, the Templar Order is the Chantry's army so he would have had plenty of training and experience in military tactics and leading men especially with him being a knight Captain for what, a good 9 years? And then there are the skills that he may have picked up since then. 

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

I only ever sided with the Templar's once and for two reasons. 1) I wanted to see if anything changed with Carver's dialogue if you did and 2) I wanted a deeper understanding of what drove Meredith to do the things she did, and I'm so glad I did it. You must do this! Except one thing, Cullen, I pretty much hand you Anders on a silver platter and you will what? Just pass the information along..... *face, meet palm* Really Cullen, really? See guys, I don't agree with everything he does lol.

 

And Loghain? Yeah, nah, dead. He was too blinded with his hatred for Orlais to protect his county against an immediate threat, and why would you want a man that betrayed his King and got him killed to be your Military Adviser?

I'm such a mage softy though *pouts* I even created a warrior once with the intent of him being on the Templars' side and I couldn't finish the play through. I wuss out and go watch the Let's Plays. For the strengths I find in Cullen, he is pretty obtuse sometimes. I mean he doesn't even blink at my mage or the posse of mages behind me. At least Meredith acknowledges me as a mage. Cullen... sometimes.... I don't think I know you. Fingers crossed he doesn't miss the elephant in the room in DA:I. I honestly don't think he will. I think maybe time constraints, booth time might have played a role in Cullen kind of not acting on those things.

 

Loghain as your military adviser..

 

Me:

[themikefest]

You know I want to like this, but I ran out of like so I'm a sad Panda who can only shower you with likes here.

 

I love your reform ideas. I agree 100%. I may be less head choppy, more be gone from my sight. Unless of course they get demony or murdery, then yeppers, choppity chop chop.  The part I highlighted is the best wording for why Cullen has every right to be the military adviser. So thank you

I don't agree with that. I was in the military, saw combat and from what I saw from Cullen in DAO/DA2, I would not make him my advisor.

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

I don't agree with that. I was in the military, saw combat and from what I saw from Cullen in DAO/DA2, I would not make him my advisor.

Ok, I respect that. I have laid out my reasons in a few post as to why I think he will make a fine adviser. I would love to know the reasons why you wouldn't.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

I'm such a mage softy though *pouts* I even created a warrior once with the intent of him being on the Templars' side and I couldn't finish the play through. I wuss out and go watch the Let's Plays. For the strengths I find in Cullen, he is pretty obtuse sometimes. I mean he doesn't even blink at my mage or the posse of mages behind me. At least Meredith acknowledges me as a mage. Cullen... sometimes.... I don't think I know you. Fingers crossed he doesn't miss the elephant in the room in DA:I. I honestly don't think he will. I think maybe time constraints, booth time might have played a role in Cullen kind of not acting on those things.

 

Loghain as your military adviser..

 

Me:

 

You know it's coming...................... 

 

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Cullen and his ignorance, seriously if he is still like that this is all I can Imagine halfway through the game.

 

Inquisitor: Cullen, I love you.

Cullen: I love you too.

Inquisitor: You mean to say that you really don't mind that I'm a...... I'm a.........

*Cullen smiles his encouragement*

Inquisitor: You hold nothing against me being a Mage then?

Cullen: *Gasp* You're a Mage? But.... but how can this be?

Inquisitor: What, you didn't know?

Cullen: I can't believe this whole time you have been a Mage and you haven't told me. I feel so deceived!

Inquisitor: Wow, you really are obtuse, aren't you? Maker, I need a drink.

 

[Das Tentakel]

Cullen is the Inquisitor's military advisor?

 

Blast! I was having somebody else in mind for that position. Somebody with actual combat experience, and a proven leader who leads by example...

 

 

Ah well...'tis an imperfect universe...