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[Mr.House]

I wanted some agency.  That is being taken away by forcing me to give military command to Cullen and espionage command to Leliana, with no other options  I do not trust that their goals are not to expand the power of the chantry and templars, so want no part of them, I cannot trust them to not sabotage the closing of the tears, or any military campaign, as I cannot trust them what use are they to me?  But I cannot replace them with someone I can trust, or at least not distrust.  Nope stuck with them, sucks to be you, the divine is the puppet master.

 

Ya, that's not taking away your agency... It's called conflict. Sorry but your post scream I WANT PEOPLE TO AGREE WITH MY GOALS AND VIEWS, and that's not how things work. You will have people who agree and people that don't and some of these will be at high position in the Inquisition. If you disagree so much, don't join the Inquisition then, done.

[Vilegrim]

Except we have previously been given the chance to be anti-mage extremists..so is it to unreasonable to ask to go the other way?

[Vilegrim]

Ya, that's not taking away your agency... It's called conflict. Sorry but your post scream I WANT PEOPLE TO AGREE WITH MY GOALS AND VIEWS, and that's not how things work. You will have people who agree and people that don't and some of these will be at high position in the Inquisition. If you disagree so much, don't join the Inquisition then, done.

 

That is like calling knowingly employing enemy spies 'conflict'
 

 

[Mr.House]

Except we have previously been given the chance to be anti-mage extremists..so is it to unreasonable to ask to go the other way?

And not all companions agreed with you, some would even attack you. This is not new.

[Vilegrim]

And not all companions agreed with you, some would even attack you. This is not new.

 

 

What is new is Advisor's, people who you give wide autonomy over aspects of an organisation, whom you have no right to fire and have military power, being a source of such conflict.  Cass the companion disagreeing and attacking? Fair enough, Cullen the advisor, who I never wanted in the first place, leading a mutiny and taking the military with him, massive difference. One close off a piece of the story and looses me a party member, the other destroys the inquisition as a going concern, meaning disagreeing with an advisor is a non-standard game over.  Seriously how often do I have to edit before this takes?

 

That is why I do not want Cullen, I have seen nothing that suggests he is capable, and have every reason to distrust him even if he was,

[J-Reyno]

I wanted some agency.  That is being taken away by forcing me to give military command to Cullen and espionage command to Leliana, with no other options  I do not trust that their goals are not to expand the power of the chantry and templars, so want no part of them, I cannot trust them to not sabotage the closing of the tears, or any military campaign, as I cannot trust them what use are they to me?  But I cannot replace them with someone I can trust, or at least not distrust.  Nope stuck with them, sucks to be you, the divine is the puppet master.

 

You're being very unreasonable.  Especially about Cullen, the subject of this thread.  The Inquisition is small at the beginning of DAI.  But the Order is still going strong. Did you know that Cullen actually left the Order because he doesn't believe in it anymore, expressly for the purpose of joining the Inquistion so he could fight for a purpose that he does believe in?  If his goal was to expand the power of the Templars why would he leave to join some kickstarter organization?  He was (very likely) a Knight-Commander there with power and an army at the ready to exercise.

 

You have just as much reason to trust him as to not trust him.  

[Vilegrim]

You're being very unreasonable.  Especially about Cullen, the subject of this thread.  The Inquisition is small at the beginning of DAI.  But the Order is still going strong. Did you know that Cullen actually left the Order because he doesn't believe in it anymore, expressly for the purpose of joining the Inquistion so he could fight for a purpose that he does believe in?  If his goal was to expand the power of the Templars why would he leave to join some kickstarter organization?  He was (very likely) a Knight-Commander there with power and an army at the ready to exercise.

 

You have just as much reason to trust him as to not trust him.  

 

 

Because that 'kick starter' had Cassandra, a seeker.  (Who as a companion I have less issue with than the fixed advisors, still don't like her, but at least I have other companions, their are no other military advisor's)

[aaarcher86]

Because that 'kick starter' had Cassandra, a seeker.  (Who as a companion I have less issue with than the fixed advisors, still don't like her, but at least I have other companions, their are no other military advisor's)

A lot of people are abandoning their factions to help.

Regardless, the Inquisitor wouldn't have any preconceived notions about Cullen or any of the other advisors. You're projecting your fears and worries that these people will take over but you've got nothing to go on that would lead you to that conclusion.

[Vilegrim]

A lot of people are abandoning their factions to help.

Regardless, the Inquisitor wouldn't have any preconceived notions about Cullen or any of the other advisors. You're projecting your fears and worries that these people will take over but you've got nothing to go on that would lead you to that conclusion.

 

 

Their previous actions and loyalties speak very eloquently.

[aaarcher86]

Their previous actions and loyalties speak very eloquently.

Which the Inquisitor wouldn't know about and neither do you beyond the scope of the game.

[Vilegrim]

Which the Inquisitor wouldn't know about and neither do you beyond the scope of the game.

really, he wouldn't know the history of this storied character?  Then why hire him, even if you would agree with him?  Considering he was involved in the pivotal event of the Templar/mage war...how could you not have heard of him?

[aaarcher86]

really, he wouldn't know the history of this storied character? Then why hire him, even if you would agree with him?

Why would the Inquisitor, a confirmed nobody, know about the previous actions of any if the advisors prior to meeting them?

He isn't hired by you, he's hired by Cassandra.

[J-Reyno]

Because that 'kick starter' had Cassandra, a seeker.

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Fantastic response.  Ha.  I genuinely hope you enjoy the game.  I apologize to others for entertaining this discussion longer than I should have.  Looking forward to see how Cullen does his job as the MA.

[Vilegrim]

Why would the Inquisitor, a confirmed nobody, know about the previous actions of any if the advisors prior to meeting them?

 

 

Because s/he was important enough to have been at a peace talks, and important enough to take over.

[Zatche]

Their previous actions and loyalties speak very eloquently.

 

Yes, Cass and Cullen's previous actions of abandoning the Order and not fighting alongside Templars in the Mage-Templar War speak very eloquently.

[Vilegrim]

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Fantastic response.  Ha.  I genuinely hope you enjoy the game.  I apologize to others for entertaining this discussion longer than I should have.

 

 

It has the 'Right Hand of the Divine' That is what Cassandra is known as, the fist of the chantry, so if she calls, damn straight people will answer.

[The Elder King]

A moderator already said to turn to the topic of the thread: Cullen and his qualificatipns as military advisors. If you want to discuss about the supposed lacking of agency because of the Chantry background of the advisors, start another thread.

[Vilegrim]

Yes, Cass and Cullen's previous actions of abandoning the Order and not fighting alongside Templars in the Mage-Templar War speak very eloquently.

 

off collusion in a deeper plot? Certainly.

[Vilegrim]

A moderator already said to turn to the topic of the thread: Cullen and his qualificatipns as military advisors. If you want to discuss about the supposed lacking of agency because of the Chantry background of the advisors, start another thread.

 

 

That is WHY he is not suitable as military advisor, he is of split loyalty, limited applicable experience and untrustworthy, any of which would be enough to disqualify him from military command.

[Vilegrim]

But you are right ,discussing this is pointless we are stuck with the useless disloyal non-entity. So I am done, at least for a while.

[aaarcher86]

Because s/he was important enough to have been at a peace talks, and important enough to take over.

We don't know why they're at the peace talks. If they end up being a hired mercenary that really doesn't make them important. The fade tear in their hand is why they're essentially brought in. That doesn't mean they have any kind of expertise with this stuff.

What exactly makes Cullen disloyal?

[Mr.House]

off collusion in a deeper plot? Certainly.

You're not even giving Cullen a chance, you seem to think people can't change.

[mordy_was_here]

Because s/he was important enough to have been at a peace talks, and important enough to take over.

 

S/he could have been a bodyguard for all you know.

[leaguer of one]

Just pointing this out, but the Chantry treats City Elves better than the nations of Thedas and even the Dalish do. Elves are allowed to become priests/priestesses and even Templars. 

,....When did this happen? I've never seen one elven templer or priest. Added with the fact that the chantry refused to acknowlge a book of the chant about Shartan, the elf who help lead Andraste's army.