,....When did this happen? I've never seen one elven templer or priest. Added with the fact that the chantry refused to acknowlge a book of the chant about Shartan, the elf who help lead Andraste's army.
Lorewise, I think. Evangeline from Asunder was supposed to be an elf at first.
How is it lore wise if in the end she not an elf?
How is it lore wise if in the end she non an elf?
Because Gaider stated is possible. He didn't scrap the general idea, he just changed the character.
He says a lot of things. I'm not saying it's not possible. I'm saying the likelihood of it is slime. How a branch works in the chantry differs from branch to branch and is based on who is in charge of it. Dispite that it's clear the majority are not in favor of elves becoming sister and/or templer but even those born to be farmer in the qun can become Ben-Hassrath once they prove themselves.
First Im not close minded otherwise i would never use " maybe Im wrong" phrase.
"Why do you think they will turn against the Inquisitor? They are there to help stop the breach, so if that's is what your Inquisitor is doing what's the problem?" oh well, Loghain never turned against Cailan and never let whole army died on the battlefield while fighting a Blight? He never abuse Orlesian Grey Wardens becouse only them could kill the Arch Demon? And of course Cerberus gave everything to Shepard and never tried to kill her/him while Shepard tried to save all Galaxy from a Reapers ? And if beliefs have nothing with all of this, why there aren't others than Chantry boys\girls between Advisers?
The only thing I'm worried about is having to play along the whims of the Chantry. Hopefully Cullen won't be stubborn about that.
It doesn't bother me in the least that Cullen is to be the military adviser. I see some people think Loghain or Aveline would have made a better choice, but I'll have to disagree. While I love both characters, I see no reason why the Inquisitor would know them--or Cullen for that matter. Knowing Cassandra is the one who chose the military adviser, I would assume from what she knows would be limited on them, as well. She may know Loghain or know of him, but perhaps in her view, he is a general past his prime. A man who went boldly against his king's orders, causing the death of nearly the entire Fereldan order of Wardens, and nearly the King's entire army. She may know that he then helped sell elves into slavery, backed a man who killed an entire keep of people, including a powerful family second only to the king, and then allowed his daughter to be imprisoned. Now, again, no hate towards Loghain (I love him, actually), but that is certainly a possible projected image of him. Perhaps he isn't even around for her to hire him. At this point, no one knows the circumstances of her bringing Cullen on.
Same with Aveline. I am not sure why Cassandra would single her out to be an adviser. She was a captain of the guard. While professionally trained, I wouldn't call them an army by any means--just as I wouldn't call my local police department an army. Again, maybe Aveline wasn't even around. I would be surprised that at the time the Inquisition was formed, an abundance of choices would be available, considering thousands died. I don't imagine there was a resume service set up and Cassandra was holding auditions. No one knows because the game isn't even out.
I would assume templar's have some sort of military training, considering they are a military order. They are trained to deal with demons and since they're raining from the sky at the moment, I would think having someone who is not only trained in the ways of military order, but trained in combating demons--a very good option. If she saw him commanding the remaining templars in Kirkwall, saw them respect him, saw them ready to follow his orders, saw how he lead them, he may have been an easy choice for her. Instead of seeing him as a templar who made mistakes, she may see him as someone who struggled between his duty and his belief, made some mistakes and grew stronger because of them. /shrugs
Not to mention, my little dalish elf knew nothing of leading an army or warfare. Yet, she became a Grey Warden, united an entire country under the Warden's banner, won a Landsmeet, placed a king on the throne and was personally chosen to lead his armies against the darkspawn. She did okay.
At the end of the day, it's speculation. As it will be until the game is being played and the story being told. As of now, I am willing to wait and see how it plays out before gaining a notion that anyone can or cannot do something. It's some good advice to follow.
Look, I don't mind consequences...I just don't want to be " worse" player and have less game content, or even don't be able to play game becouse of my opinions. Now it's look like the game is created for Pro Chantry only players, becouse all of the power in a game is concentrate in pro Chantry persons hands, and I have no idea what if I don't support Chantry. So if it's true, it's look like game isn't for me and many others players, despite Devs words that we will not be forced to belive in a maker and support a Chantry. How I would be able to finish game without military support, Inquisition intelligence and a gold? I want to know before game release if I will be forced to support Chantry if I want to play DA:I or not. Becouse right now it's looks like that. For example If Advisors group would be more balanced ( one pro Chantry, one neutral, one anti-Chantry), and I would take actions against i.e Cullen as MA, in consequences I would lost an army, but still with i.e Inquisition gold ( for let's say neutral Scribe girl) I can hire mercenaries and finish a game (of course it could be harder but still possible).? What would You or others pro Chantry players feel if the Advisors would be i.e Morrigan, Dalish Keeper and rebel Mage? Would You still be calm and have faith that Advisors will be able to put away theirs beliefs and let You support Chantry and Templars? Of course I can be wrong, and Advisors would support my PC no matter what, becouse of " Greater good", but I have my doubts and I would prefer that Devs lighten up me a little before October.
The bold part I have to address... that is the point of consequences. Your choices could lock things off. For example, if you played Mass Effect and hate the Geth...
Cullen, Cassandra, and Leilanna are all integrity based characters. As long as they believe you are still doing what the Inquisition is meant to do, they may tell you they don't like it, but they won't "turn" on you or take your army. They will just leave, maybe, or die because they weren't fighting their hardest for you. Just because you don't like the Chantry, doesn't mean you shouldn't at least respect their faith. They are going to be accepting you if you are a Qunari.
This right here! Although I agree with the rest of your post, this is very good advice to follow. I like Cullen, I'm happy to have him as the military advisor and I think he would do the position justice. We can already see --just from the small bits of info so far-- that the inquisition is his number one concern, and if the inquisition is his priority that means that closing the breach is, right? On that note, I have prepared myself to be let down by him. Whether it be because his decisions are clouded by his beliefs or because my inquisitor isn't living up to what is expected of them and he gets sick of my ****. We have no indepth knowledge of any of our NPCs yet or their inner-thoughts, this is something we will have to discover for ourselves through our protagonist so we can't jump to conclusions and stand so firmly by them. We wait and see, as you said.. As of now, I am willing to wait and see how it plays out before gaining a notion that anyone can or cannot do something. It's some good advice to follow.
I just see the chantry as the largest mortal evil in Thedas, followed by the Qun. And now it is weak, this is the only chance we will get to save untold millions in future generations from oppression and brain washing by a paranoid and hate filled organisation, that outlaws any other faith, so yea, having a world worth saving does involve breaking the chantry.
Sounds like your problem is more with the power the Chantry has over politics and their treatment of mages. Getting rid of the Chantry won't remove the common peoples beliefs. Much like removing the Vatican would have stopped people from being Christian during the Renaissance. Another organized religion would have rose in it's place, perhaps Teviniter Magisters? Would that really stop oppression and brain washing? No. It would make it worse. So why not go for reformation. Changing the circles to schools, giving mages rights... the things the rebellion is fighting for so siding with the mages should accomplish this very task. People need faith. They will always have faith in something. You don't try and take that away. Instead you try to get them to see the "bad" aspects of what their faith may be telling them and get them to help. Why wouldn't you be able to do that with Cullen? He has already been on both sides of the coin... lenient to hardline to somewhere in the middle. You can even convince him to reconsider things like with Keran. Since this is an RPG, I don't see choices being taken away. He may stick to his opinion no matter what, like Anders or Fenris, but if you have earned their respect they will still fight with you on the opposing side.
It doesn't bother me in the least that Cullen is to be the military adviser. I see some people think Loghain or Aveline would have made a better choice.
Well Aveline is Cool.Well I think she is anyway.
She was a soldier in Ostaggar , so she saw a big battle and was also there when everything turned sour.
She protected the city with her guard against a Qunari invasion and the mage/templar war.
She was involved in training her guards , she fought so they could have better working condition.
She also fight to get a corrupted leader of the guard out of the picture in Act1.
Is she perfect , hell no.Aveline made mistakes.
For me , from what I saw she would be way more qualified than Cullen.
Because I witness her being a captain and doing her job , Cullen spend most of his time walking around the Gallows.
I am not saying Cullen isn't qualified for his job in DAI , just I haven't seen what makes him good .
Except it is a valid stance to not believe they are loyal...you are forced to keep them anyway, hell it is perfectly logical to not trust Morrigan, or Ironbull...but you are stuck with them to.
What leadership do you actually exercise if you cannot tell people that their services are not wanted?
You can't use the example of Shepard here, s/he was never in overall command, always someone out ranked /him/her and gave you mandatory crew, if the inquisitor is in this position the advertising shouldn't be claiming that the inquisition is yours.
What have Cullen or the others done though that makes anyone believe that their would put their own views above the greater good? They have put you in charge of the Inquisition. They can disagree with you. That is what makes a 2D character a 3D one. I feel like people are so worried about their loyalty and their faith, but can't site examples of where they have let their own wants take the place of what was needed. Cullen advocated for the Right of Annulment in DA:O, but if you don't do it... he doesn't go and do it anyway. In DA:2, he advocates sparing the mages if you side with the Templars. He doesn't fight you if you choose to kill them anyway. He respects the players choice whether he agrees with it or not. That's kind of what an adviser does. Tells you their opinion and accepts your decision. It doesn't mean you can't push them to the point that they say "You know what? I'm out. You're nuts. Good Luck. I'm going to get my seat for the apocalypse." We don't know yet if we can push them that far.
The bold part I have to address... that is the point of consequences. Your choices could lock things off. For example, if you played Mass Effect and hate the Geth...
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Well Aveline is Cool.Well I think she is anyway.
She was a soldier in Ostaggar , so she saw a big battle and was also there when everything turned sour.
She protected the city with her guard against a Qunari invasion and the mage/templar war.
She was involved in training her guards , she fought so they could have better working condition.
She also fight to get a corrupted leader of the guard out of the picture in Act1.
Is she perfect , hell no.Aveline made mistakes.
For me , from what I saw she would be way more qualified than Cullen.
Because I witness her being a captain and doing her job , Cullen spend most of his time walking around the Gallows.
I am not saying Cullen isn't qualified for his job in DAI , just I haven't seen what makes him good .
Of course Aveline is cool. I loved her character. Yes, she was a a soldier. Yes, she was good for the guard. I am not saying Aveline would be a poor choice, I am saying that I see no reason why she would be a better choice.
Of course you saw Aveline doing a lot more things than Cullen, since Aveline was your companion. It makes sense you'd see more of her interactions. Cassandra most likely saw Cullen after the mage uprising and based her decision on that interaction, along with his credentials. What she saw, what she learned or the circumstances of her choosing him is not known, as we haven't played the game. Perhaps Cullen was there when the tear happened, and knowing his qualifications, she recruited him for the position. Perhaps she met him later on, helping in some way that impressed her and she remembered his leadership skills in Kirkwall and asked him to join. Who knows? I'll know October 7th, as will we all.
Well Aveline is Cool.Well I think she is anyway.
She was a soldier in Ostaggar , so she saw a big battle and was also there when everything turned sour.
She protected the city with her guard against a Qunari invasion and the mage/templar war.
She was involved in training her guards , she fought so they could have better working condition.
She also fight to get a corrupted leader of the guard out of the picture in Act1.
Is she perfect , hell no.Aveline made mistakes.
For me , from what I saw she would be way more qualified than Cullen.
Because I witness her being a captain and doing her job , Cullen spend most of his time walking around the Gallows.
I am not saying Cullen isn't qualified for his job in DAI , just I haven't seen what makes him good .
That's part of the reason why I want to see her return in DA:I in Ferelden
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and lockout content.
,....When did this happen? I've never seen one elven templer or priest. Added with the fact that the chantry refused to acknowlge a book of the chant about Shartan, the elf who help lead Andraste's army.
The elf you save from being covered in molten gold in Sebastian's Act 2 quest becomes a Sister in Act 3, sending you a letter from wherever she was.
They're saying it as two separate things. 'You can do a) or
That's not how I read it.
You can do both. Not sure what content would be locked out that you're talking about
Well Aveline is Cool.Well I think she is anyway.
She was a soldier in Ostaggar , so she saw a big battle and was also there when everything turned sour.
She protected the city with her guard against a Qunari invasion and the mage/templar war.
She was involved in training her guards , she fought so they could have better working condition.
She also fight to get a corrupted leader of the guard out of the picture in Act1.
Is she perfect , hell no.Aveline made mistakes.
For me , from what I saw she would be way more qualified than Cullen.
Because I witness her being a captain and doing her job , Cullen spend most of his time walking around the Gallows.
I am not saying Cullen isn't qualified for his job in DAI , just I haven't seen what makes him good .
That's not how I read it.
You can do both. Not sure what content would be locked out that you're talking about
Ok, to try and get things back on Cullen and his being the military adviser, I pulled this from Wikipedia...
Military advisors, or combat advisors, are soldiers sent to foreign nations[1] to aid that nation with its military training, organization, and other various military tasks. These soldiers are often sent to aid a nation without the potential casualties and political ramifications of actually mobilizing military forces to aid a nation.
So he doesn't actual mobilize the force. You do. What he does is:
*train... he was a Templar, he knows military tactics having been part of the Qunari War and the Mage Rebellion. CHECK
*organization... He organized the remaining Templars to aid in taking back Kirkwall twice CHECK
*aid a nation without potential casualties or political ramification... He advocates sparing the mages lives in Act III whilst not suggesting the leave the circle entirely. The more middle of the road solution. Plus he was an outsider, having been from Ferelden not Kirkwall. CHECK
Seems like Cullen has this adviser thing down pretty pat. If you are to trust Wikipedia's definition of a Military Adviser 
Ok, to try and get things back on Cullen and his being the military adviser, I pulled this from Wikipedia...
Military advisors, or combat advisors, are soldiers sent to foreign nations[1] to aid that nation with its military training, organization, and other various military tasks. These soldiers are often sent to aid a nation without the potential casualties and political ramifications of actually mobilizing military forces to aid a nation.
So he doesn't actual mobilize the force. You do. What he does is:
*train... he was a Templar, he knows military tactics having been part of the Qunari War and the Mage Rebellion. CHECK
*organization... He organized the remaining Templars to aid in taking back Kirkwall twice CHECK
*aid a nation without potential casualties or political ramification... He advocates sparing the mages lives in Act III whilst not suggesting the leave the circle entirely. The more middle of the road solution. Plus he was an outsider, having been from Ferelden not Kirkwall. CHECK
Seems like Cullen has this adviser thing down pretty pat. If you are to trust Wikipedia's definition of a Military Adviser
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But that is not what the oringinal post said.
But that is not what the oringinal post said.
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Please check your messages. I have explained this. Now back to Cullen and his role as military adviser please
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