If you think we're lying, so be it. I recommend you wait until feedback after the game is released then.
I hope I have the willpower to, like I said earlier, the correct postion for the Divine is limbless and screaming. on a pile of her followers bodies.
Mercenary Great Captain, Ash Warriors or Red Irons almost certainly have several, tribal war leader from the Avvars (which would have been an awesome insight into this unexplored culture and religion) that's off the top of my head.
Except you need warm bodies when you start the organization and none of these things are around. None only is "let's go find some random mercenary!" absurd, because posting a job opening is not even remotely possible, there's no reason to thing any of these groups are at all qualified for the role.
We've got: Random Mercenary A, Random Mercenary B, Scouts from Ferelden, and "tribal war leader", the last of which would seem qualified until you realize that leading a tribal warband is nothing like leading a medieval force.
If you only command a small groupe of people you don't need military advisor. (Already have Cassandra if Inquisitor is a complete rookie. Why would you need such incompetent person as a head of Inquisition is another question. May be you are here just to look pretty while Cass makes decisions.)
I noticed you despise military commanders of the past. Their art is not that simple and talented general could make huge difference. Hannibal, Caesar, Gustav Vasa, Conde, Turenne... apparently all these people didn't exist in our history.
The Inquisition can be small enough to be irrelevant without being so small as to not constitute an actual military force. Not to mention that a military involves far more than just tactics - it involves logistics, discipline, training. All of which could be things that Cullen could be quite an expert in from his days as a templar, even if you believe his knowledge of tactics is lacking.
Beyond that, we have no idea what "advisor" means, or what exactly Cullen is "advising" us about.
Except you need warm bodies when you start the organization and none of these things are around. None only is "let's go find some random mercenary!" absurd, because posting a job opening is not even remotely possible, there's no reason to thing any of these groups are at all qualified for the role.
We've got: Random Mercenary A, Random Mercenary B, Scouts from Ferelden, and "tribal war leader", the last of which would seem qualified until you realize that leading a tribal warband is nothing like leading a medieval force.
all more qualified than a policeman who specialises in the imprisonment and execution of mages.
So Hawke becomes viscount in one hour after the events and stays viscount for another hour, the city guard magically disappears from the map and then heroic Cullen enters the picture to save Kirkwall from mage bandits that want to kill everyone.
Perfect sense. I see now why Cullen should be military advisor.
The city guard was smaller than the Templar army of Kirkwall. It is very likely that they took heavy casualties during the fight with the mages, which would put them even further down the line of numbers. Is it just completely impossible that Aveline and Cullen (as the de facto leader of Kirkwall's Templar army) worked together, with the Templars doing the brunt of the work? Would it make you feel better if Cullen's bio mentioned Aveline having his back, or vice versa, even if you might have chosen a pro-mage ending -- where Aveline flees the city with the rest of the gang? Do I know what happened to Hawke after they became Viscount? No, I don't know how long Hawke remained. But it is feasible that it wasn't a long period of time.
My point is that no matter what happens, Cullen plays a large part in what happens after Kirkwall goes up in flames, whether you like it or not.
On top of that, who is to say he didn't learn military tactics while he was training to become a Templar? They are an army, probably the largest in Thedas. Are you really going to say that they don't teach their recruits tactics, in case of open war, or an Exalted March, or whatever else?
Edit: It's late, so I'm out for the night. I'm gonna drop this here.
Wow, lol.
Well sexism and bluntness apart he is right.
A glorified policeman commissary is no general.
Erm...Let us keep the tread civil please. I don't mind being blunt and un-PC. I am like that in real life but do it online and things get nasty real fast. 
However, the point stands. A glorified policeman is not a military adviser or a military leader. Not by any stretch.
There are men that want to bed him as well 
don't leave them out.
When I first jumped on the Cullen discussion thread one of the first posts I made was about how I thought that it was weird that Cullen would be the Military adviser over Blackwall, to me he was the more ...... realistic choice? When it came to someone leading troops after all, Cullen was a Templar and not a soldier as such. So I see where a lot of you are coming from because this was once my opinion.
But really, when everything has turned to sh!t and your fighting against corrupt templars and mages........... who better to advise you on the best way to go about defeating them than a man that has seen the worst of both?
Even if Bioware brought him back because he has a lot of fans (And honestly, so what if they did), the truth of the matter is our knowledge of him is very limited and based on roughly 8 minutes worth of quest time and conversations, and even if I were to believe he is as hopeless as some people seem to think he is, characters do develop. Cullen may not be anything like he was in Origins or DA2. Leliana, too, might not be anything like she used to be. There's just no way for us to know. But I'm still extremely excited to find out.
That's not to say that people's concerns about him aren't legitimate, only that having such negative reactions when we have such little information seems kind of irrational. I guess I just can't fathom making my mind up so solidly on anyone I know such a small amount about. 
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Maybe you should tone down the attitude just a little. Nnnnot really called for.
Even if Bioware brought him back because he has a lot of fans (And honestly, so what if they did), the truth of the matter is our knowledge of him is very limited and based on roughly 8 minutes worth of quest time and conversations, and even if I were to believe he is as hopeless as some people seem to think he is, characters do develop. Cullen may not be anything like he was in Origins or DA2. Leliana, too, might not be anything like she used to be. There's just no way for us to know. But I'm still extremely excited to find out.
That's not to say that people's concerns about him aren't legitimate, only that having such negative reactions when we have such little information seems kind of irrational. I guess I just can't fathom making my mind up so solidly on anyone I know such a small amount about.
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I agree. People change.
Maybe you should tone down the attitude just a little. Nnnnot really called for.
Even if Bioware brought him back because he has a lot of fans (And honestly, so what if they did), the truth of the matter is our knowledge of him is very limited and based on roughly 8 minutes worth of quest time and conversations, and even if I were to believe he is as hopeless as some people seem to think he is, characters do develop. Cullen may not be anything like he was in Origins or DA2. Leliana, too, might not be anything like she used to be. There's just no way for us to know. But I'm still extremely excited to find out.
That's not to say that people's concerns about him aren't legitimate, only that having such negative reactions when we have such little information seems kind of irrational. I guess I just can't fathom making my mind up so solidly on anyone I know such a small amount about.
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I agree with you on that, we have no idea what he has really been doing --besides pulling Kirkwall up from the ashes -- and what training etc he may have had since DA2. For all I know he might be a horrible adviser and even though I'm a Cullen fan, he could end up annoying me to the point I'd stay away from him in the game. There's just no way to know whether or not he will be any good at it but I remain positive about it all. I do want him to be good a adviser. 
Even if Bioware brought him back because he has a lot of fans (And honestly, so what if they did), the truth of the matter is our knowledge of him is very limited and based on roughly 8 minutes worth of quest time and conversations, and even if I were to believe he is as hopeless as some people seem to think he is, characters do develop. Cullen may not be anything like he was in Origins or DA2. Leliana, too, might not be anything like she used to be. There's just no way for us to know. But I'm still extremely excited to find out.
The problem is those 8 minutes were spent to look him very incompetent.
"Hawke, hey Hawke, can you speak with those prostitutes for me? Because I'm too shy even when the life of my recruits is on stake."
"Nope, I won't arrest this dangerous apostate you brought to me, Hawke. Because reasons."
"I'm the closest person to my superior officer but still won't do anything to change the situation. Until the very last moment."
"So pro-mage Hawke just decimated people under my command and I'm going to let him go because he is too dangerous."
I don't have problem with Templar as a part of Inquisition as some people here. I'm pro-templar myself. It's just, it's... well, Cullen.
The problem is those 8 minutes were spent to look him very incompetent.
"Hawke, hey Hawke, can you speak with those prostitutes for me? Because I'm too shy even when the life of my recruits is on stake"
"Nope, I won't arrest this dangerous apostate you brought to me, Hawke. Because reasons."
"I'm the closest person to my superior officer but still won't do anything to change the situation. Until the very last moment."
"So pro-mage Hawke just decimated people under my command and I'm going to let him go because he is too dangerous."
I don't have problem with Templar as a part of Inquisition as some people here. I'm pro-templar myself. It's just, it's... well, Cullen.
LOL ! Agreed, he is a decent Templar but he is by no stretch a good Templar. Even pro-Templar people can see that.
Which is why, being a decent Templar, he should be leading a band of Templars or become a Red Templar, but in general, he should be involved with Templar stuff. He is good for that.
His experience and his character outside of being a Templar, across two Dragon Age games is nonexistent. The notion that he can suddenly be a military adviser, which is quite change of role for him, after two games, is a bit far-fetched.
You would have to give him an immense amount of character development. Accelerated character development. Which would be difficult to do since there is the whole thing about the Breach and all. Yet he is not in any of the recently published Bioware books either.
Wow, this thread is getting a bit angry. Why don't we quieten down before banhammer strikes?
As a character, I think Cullen still has room to grow. The poor lad's utterly confused about which way to turn after being betrayed, in a fashion, by mages and tempars both. In Inquisition, he can find some certainty (likely with the Inquisitor's help, being a Bioware game and all) and closure. The character description changed my mind about him and I trust the writers will pull it off brilliantly. If he appears in DA4 it might get a touch excessive. Then you're starting to get WoW's problems with Thrall's neverending character arc.
I agree he is not perfectly suited as a military advisor from what we know, from first impression. You wouldn't get a soldier or even a lieutenant to manage a nation's defense forces and you wouldn't get a templar to manage an Inquisition's armies. However, it could easily be he has some minor experience and from there has to grow into the role. Or 'advisor' could imply a more organisational role than a tactical one. I disagree with people suggesting cleaning up Kirkwall was enough experience. For one thing, the templar's were still the dominant force in Kirkwall, so it would largely have been an issue of cleaning ranks and then going out to knock some heads. That is quite different to leading a military arm of a large organisation.
Those are just nits though. And I'm picking at them. I'm greatly more optimistic about this character after seeing his description. And is it that big a deal if he's suddenly become a military genius?
Just a couple of thoughts...
Cullen would have some military experience, experience with Templar training and tactics (good to use this knowledge against the Red Templars), has experience dealing with demons and abominations and is loyal to the Chantry and the Divine. He has some leadership skills as a Knight Captain, and apparently these developed further in the interveneing years.
It would make sense that as a fledging organization, Cullen might be a viable candidate for a military advisor. As the Inquisition grows, if his skills are not sufficient, I am sure they could find a replacement.
Besides, the word advisor is just that - he can advise, but the Inquisitior does not presumably have to accept his advice. He is not a General afterall.
His military experience may be lacking, but I am not sure the Inquisition is solely a military campaign that can only be won or lost with armies.
In the Inquitisiton, it seems there wil be lots of random battles, in cities, in the country side, in towns. Perhaps Cullens experiences in cleaning up Kirkwall will help.
If this was really the reason, why would they make him a military advisor instead of a companion?The only reason you people brought him back as an advisor is to cater to the women gamers who want to bed him. There's nothing wrong with him being a fan favorite, but don't try to sugar coat it with PR speak. We're too smart for that bullcrap.
Unless he's been very busy learning military tactics and learning how not to be an ******* towards mages, a glorified policeman is not a general, nor a leader.
Bioware's point, i guess, it's that he shown his skill in the timeframe between DA2 and DAI, as the character blurb suggested.LOL ! Agreed, he is a decent Templar but he is by no stretch a good Templar. Even pro-Templar people can see that.
Which is why, being a decent Templar, he should be leading a band of Templars or become a Red Templar, but in general, he should be involved with Templar stuff. He is good for that.
His experience and his character outside of being a Templar, across two Dragon Age games is nonexistent.
The Inquisition is an organization whose purpose is to, essentially cancel the apocalypse in Thedas. You do that by having rational, logical and capable people on the team.
I would be very happy and very willing to have Cullen on the Inquisition team and being a military adviser if there is a rational and logical reason to do so.
Problem is, there isn't any.
So you played the game already? I'm tremendously jealous right now!
Seriously, with what little we know about Cullen and the whole situation right now I consider that statement (and various others in this threat) to be quite premature.
That has to be the most shallow, nonsenical reason that you came up with. Cullen was one of the few sane Templars in Kirkwall, he was second in command of the Knight Commander. When Merideth went crazy Cullen ordered her to stand down and allowed Hawke passage out of Kirkwall. Secondly not all people like Cullen because they want to bed them. They like him because he's one of the few characters who develops on their own, rather than have the PC influence their decisions. Why don't you stop psychoanalyzing fanbases and actually examine why they feel this way with the character.
Cullen defended Meredith until she turned on Hawke, when anyone sane could see she was insane.
I'd hardly call him someone with good judgment, and that is what a military leader needs.
I stand by my assessment until proven otherwise.
Cullen defended Meredith until she turned on Hawke, when anyone sane could see she was insane.
I'd hardly call him someone with good judgment, and that is what a military leader needs.
I stand by my assessment until proven otherwise.
He's not a military leader, he's an adviser. Javik in ME3 acted the same way, constantly advising you. Yet in that game you didn't have to do a damn thing he says to do. Cullen merely advises, but you are the military leader who has the final say. If he's incompetent, it won't matter much as long as your Inquisitor is competent and doesn't heed his advice.
He's not a military leader, he's an adviser. Javik in ME3 acted the same way, constantly advising you. Yet in that game you didn't have to do a damn thing he says to do. Cullen merely advises, but you are the military leader who has the final say. If he's incompetent, it won't matter much as long as your Inquisitor is competent and doesn't heed his advice.
He doesn't have good enough judgment for me to consider him an Advisor or a Leader.
This late in deveopment it's set in stone, so I'll just have to ignore him.
I've been reading through all the posts here and to say that some were outright offensive is an understatement and it is almost impossible to offend me honestly, but I'm not going to even attempt to talk about them. Instead I am going to stick to the title of the post. By a lot of people's logic, my Colonist Sole Survivor Shepard should never have been in charge. I played her very PTSD and angry, even killing the scientist in the mission for the Sole Survivor background. In my head she was very closed and distant because of the things she had been through, but the one thing she knew how to do was survive. Why isn't Cullen the same way? He was very lenient toward mages in Origins prior to Uldred and the torture. Some said he was too lenient. He was young and naive about the power of mages and how being held prisoner could make them angry. He honestly thought he was protecting them from themselves and other people who would kill them because of what they were. Once he survived the Broken Circle, he took a more hard line approach because his original thought process had gotten people killed and himself tortured, in his mind. He becomes a follower of the Templar leaders through and through. He gives them the benefit of the doubt because he questions his own judgement. Much like Garrus after he got his squad killed. But part of him starts to see the strain on Meredith and he does start to question if she is alright. Then in the final battle, he finally steps up and says NO. He listens to his conscience and defends Hawke against Meredith. Just because he rallied the remaining Templars to restore order doesn't downplay Hawke or Aveline at all. Even if Hawke was made Viscount, it wouldn't have been immediate. The city was in flames, people were scared, rioting in the streets confused. We have no idea how many of the City Guard was even left. It is the equivalent of Marshal Law being declared until everything can be brought back down from boil to simmer. Cullen has seen both sides. He knows how to survive, how to rally, how to take down rogue mages and how Templars think which is handy with the Red Templars. He knows their tactics and how best to counterattack them. He has grown into a man who knows the world isn't black and white. It is a big pile of grey. In spite of that, he wants to do what is right. Not right by Chantry law or he would still be a Templar. Right in this world of grey. He is a perfect choice for a military adviser because of everything he has been through and the mistakes he has learned from in the past. He is no longer a yes man, but he isn't walking around with rose colored glasses either. Some times you need someone who can see both sides of the same coin and tell you how they "tick". Military strategy isn't just about brute strength or the battle itself. A good military strategist can point you to the weak points in the enemies way of thinking so that there is barely a battle at all. Cullen has changed in every game. The only retcon has been the blurb at the end of Origins. If you ignore that, the way people has dismissed Wynne being in Asunder and Leilanna being in the game and focus solely on how Cullen is constantly changing, then you can see the next phase of his evolution would be a mature man unafraid to speak his mind about the course of events. He should be broken and psychotic, even a drunk, but he isn't. Until you know who is now, everything questioning him as military adviser is just premature grousing based on a completely ludicrous assumption.
Cullen defended Meredith until she turned on Hawke, when anyone sane could see she was insane.
I'd hardly call him someone with good judgment, and that is what a military leader needs.
I stand by my assessment until proven otherwise.
To be fare, he questioned Meredith's capability to act as Knight Commander right from the start of ACT 3 so he wasn't defending Meredith right up until she turned on Hawke. But it's the military, how easy do you think it would have been for him to tell his Commanding Officer to stand aside? I know we all like to say "Well, if I was in that position I would have stopped Meredith's crazy asap" but when it comes down to it military code is pretty strict, you follow your orders and Meredith had a lot of backing behind her. If he was to tell her to stand down earlier on in the game, who would have come to his side in agreement. Not many.
But you are entitled to feeling this way, the same as I am in feeling about it the way I do. I like having good polite debates with people so thanks for letting me say my piece
I've been reading through all the posts here and to say that some were outright offensive is an understatement and it is almost impossible to offend me honestly, but I'm not going to even attempt to talk about them. Instead I am going to stick to the title of the post. By a lot of people's logic, my Colonist Sole Survivor Shepard should never have been in charge. I played her very PTSD and angry, even killing the scientist in the mission for the Sole Survivor background. In my head she was very closed and distant because of the things she had been through, but the one thing she knew how to do was survive. Why isn't Cullen the same way? He was very lenient toward mages in Origins prior to Uldred and the torture. Some said he was too lenient. He was young and naive about the power of mages and how being held prisoner could make them angry. He honestly thought he was protecting them from themselves and other people who would kill them because of what they were. Once he survived the Broken Circle, he took a more hard line approach because his original thought process had gotten people killed and himself tortured, in his mind. He becomes a follower of the Templar leaders through and through. He gives them the benefit of the doubt because he questions his own judgement. Much like Garrus after he got his squad killed. But part of him starts to see the strain on Meredith and he does start to question if she is alright. Then in the final battle, he finally steps up and says NO. He listens to his conscience and defends Hawke against Meredith. Just because he rallied the remaining Templars to restore order doesn't downplay Hawke or Aveline at all. Even if Hawke was made Viscount, it wouldn't have been immediate. The city was in flames, people were scared, rioting in the streets confused. We have no idea how many of the City Guard was even left. It is the equivalent of Marshal Law being declared until everything can be brought back down from boil to simmer. Cullen has seen both sides. He knows how to survive, how to rally, how to take down rogue mages and how Templars think which is handy with the Red Templars. He knows their tactics and how best to counterattack them. He has grown into a man who knows the world isn't black and white. It is a big pile of grey. In spite of that, he wants to do what is right. Not right by Chantry law or he would still be a Templar. Right in this world of grey. He is a perfect choice for a military adviser because of everything he has been through and the mistakes he has learned from in the past. He is no longer a yes man, but he isn't walking around with rose colored glasses either. Some times you need someone who can see both sides of the same coin and tell you how they "tick". Military strategy isn't just about brute strength or the battle itself. A good military strategist can point you to the weak points in the enemies way of thinking so that there is barely a battle at all. Cullen has changed in every game. The only retcon has been the blurb at the end of Origins. If you ignore that, the way people has dismissed Wynne being in Asunder and Leilanna being in the game and focus solely on how Cullen is constantly changing, then you can see the next phase of his evolution would be a mature man unafraid to speak his mind about the course of events. He should be broken and psychotic, even a drunk, but he isn't. Until you know who is now, everything questioning him as military adviser is just premature grousing based on a completely ludicrous assumption.
Sorry, but he calls mages weapons, and doesn't oppose Merediths insanity until she goes after Hawke.
You can call me offensive if you wish, but it still doesn't make Cullen have any wisdom.
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