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[Char]

Warriors fists and legs can't be disarmed, therefore they are weapons that must be controlled.

 

That's not the most valid of comparisons, though, lets be honest. Yes a warriors fists and legs are an intrinsic part of them and yes they can cause damage. That is where the similarity ends. A warrior's fists and legs are not capable of causing mass destruction on a grand scale. They are very little danger to anyone without training to use their appendages in a way that causes harm, unlike mages who pose most of a threat when untrained. A warrior cannot enslave the minds of others with their fists, or call demons into the world. It's more of a question of scale than anything else, and as a pro-mage player I can still see the danger that untrained mages can cause. Just because I agree with mandatory training doesn't mean I agree with the circle as a whole- but simply that anyone with destructive power needs to learn to use it safely and responsibly.

 

To return to the original topic, Cullen is a divisive character. Many people have strong opinions on him. DAI is an excellent platform to confirm or challenge these opinions. Nothing wrong with broadening horizons

[BobZilla84]

I dont care if Cullen is Military Advisor or not because in the end the buck stops with us The Inquisitor we are in charge you don't like his advice do what I am going to do ignore him completely. 

 

The same goes for my 2nd in command Cassandra as well.

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

Just to add to something Lost in Anarchy said about Jackie Chan....even though he is a weapon, as well as MMA fighters are weapons, you can conceivably with your own fists still put up a fight. The moment someone can set you on fire with their mind is when chances of an equal fight go out the window.

Very true, though my chances against them would be nil despite coming in with the same "weapons". It'd be like taking a switchblade to a machete fight. Sure they both cut, but theirs is a WHOLE lot bigger Plus it is more their skill with their tools that make them the weapon, but still a weapon that can be disarmed unlike a mage. Take a mage's staff and he can still shoot fireballs at you, maybe not as precisely, but it is still coming and you are bbq.

[Sylvianus]

I'm always puzzled when people say : " he should have put aside Meredith since the beginning. " They just don't know anything about hierarchy in the army and how it works. That's just too obvious. Cullen is actually brave because it is not that easy to stand against the leader of an army while he is giving orders, and you aren't even assured to be supported by the troops in your rebellion. 

[andy6915]

You can cut them off. Not to mention that comparing a fist to something more akin to dynamite or as Anders showed us a missile is assuming that you can disarm a mage just as easily as someone with fists...which you obviously just cant.
 

Well actually... Cutting off hands is the main way to deal with a troublesome mage. It's what some slavers tried to do to Thrask's daughter before she went demony, and it's what was threatened to Stitch in Leliana's Song and was why Tug kept them distracted so they wouldn't do it to him. So mages can be disarmed too.

[Adanu]

You can cut them off. Not to mention that comparing a fist to something more akin to dynamite or as Anders showed us a missile is assuming that you can disarm a mage just as easily as someone with fists...which you obviously just cant.
 

So mutiiating them like you do with a Tranquil is a solution?

[Asperath]

I dont care if Cullen is Military Advisor or not because in the end the buck stops with us The Inquisitor we are in charge you don't like his advice do what I am going to do ignore him completely. 

 

The same goes for my 2nd in command Cassandra as well.

 

I couldn't agree more! In the end the decisions are ours and in reality if your that adverse to Cullen, ignore him completely or don't buy the game *shrug*

[Panda]

I haven't still read everything in this thread but these are my points why I think Cullen makes sense and is rather good as military advisor of Inquisition:

 

1. There is lack of competent people who Chantry could trust. There is lot of conflict around Thedas and many important people died in the scene where our Inquisition is sole survivor. Cullen is templar who seems to be loyal to chantry and has some leading experience.. I bet characters with those qualities are rare in DAI.
2. Cullen was mentally strong enough to survive Broken Circle and he was only templar who did so. He was rookie and still survived when all others died.
3. He has been through alot and still is going. From his character description he seems determined and he seems to want to be part of Inquisition. Why Cass wouldn't give him change taking accord that there probaply wasn't many other choices?
4. Then not lore related: BW could have done new character but if they have character who is already known and would fit to story, why not add him? Why spend more time creating new character and his/her story from the scratch? I doubt they could ever do character which was universally liked in the position anyways.

[Danny Boy 7]

To play devil's advocate though I understand beyond all the...misgivings on the character WHY people would not like him beyond past experiences as a character. Arguably most of his experience will have to be him telling us about the stuff he did rather than being shown what he did and that due to the restrictions of the story he hasn't always looked...great at his job or just as a person, but I dunno for me personally I think that an argument could be made against almost every character in any of these roles.

[Danny Boy 7]

Well actually... Cutting off hands is the main way to deal with a troublesome mage. It's what some slavers tried to do to Thrask's daughter before she went demony, and it's what was threatened to Stitch in Leliana's Song and was why Tug kept them distracted so they wouldn't do it to him. So mages can be disarmed too.

 

I was under the impression that it wouldn't have worked regardless however, their hands are just the usual outlets. It's like sowing a Qunari's mouth shut, even though they don't need actual words. Superstition and all that.
 

[NoForgiveness]

I don't know if this has been posted here but..............

http://dgaider.tumbl...m/tagged/cullen

Hmmm... thanks for posting this. My approval of him just went up from -6,000,000 to -5,990,000. Not that that piece shows how hes qualified to be an advisor but it's still interesting.

[Char]

Well actually... Cutting off hands is the main way to deal with a troublesome mage. It's what some slavers tried to do to Thrask's daughter before she went demony, and it's what was threatened to Stitch in Leliana's Song and was why Tug kept them distracted so they wouldn't do it to him. So mages can be disarmed too.

 

Disarmed in the sense that they will no longer be able to accurately project their power, but not in the sense that they could still become an abomination. I don't think mutilating people is really the most humane solution of supporting people with magical abilities IMHO.  The Circle system at it's best is a place where mages can go to learn to control themselves and study their gifts without fear of harming the people around them or being harmed by the people around them (the lore gives examples where mages have been attacked by superstitious others) it is the adhesion of the Circles to the Chantry that seems to promulgate the idea of mages as "evils that need locking up" rather than "people with dangerous abilities who need a safe space to learn to control them for the good of society"

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Hmmm... thanks for posting this. My approval of him just went up from -6,000,000 to -5,990,000. Not that that piece shows how hes qualified to be an advisor but it's still interesting.

 

Lol Cullen has got it tough with you   Yeah I thought it was pretty interesting as well

[Char]

Hmmm... thanks for posting this. My approval of him just went up from -6,000,000 to -5,990,000. Not that that piece shows how hes qualified to be an advisor but it's still interesting.

 

I'd like to think that either the interview with his writer, or in-game development would give you the reasoning for why he was chosen. I can't imagine the devs would have plonked him in their without giving some kind of reasoning within the story. As much as people would like to believe it is fan service, generally explanations are given and back-stories shown for important NPC's and I wouldn't expect Cullen to be any different

[Danny Boy 7]

So mutiiating them like you do with a Tranquil is a solution?

 

I was speaking to the fact that you CAN in fact disarm someone with fists and eliminate their ability to be a threat. Hell you don't even need to cut them off to cause them to become ineffective at murder. Regardless that point was more of a joke and to show that you can eliminate the person's threat.

 

And again, the comparison of fist and magic is really limited, but the other poster explained it better than I did. 
 

[Ashelsu]

She knew about the broad issue, rebellion and such, but Varric was the only person she could track down with the Champion's full story. Like I'm sure she knew Meredith went psycho, but why and what exactly caused it would be the knowledge of Hawke and co only.

Cassandra: Then Meredith provoked the Circle. She was to blame.

Varric: Or that damned idol was. Or Anders. Take your pick.

It seems Cassandra was quite in the dark before interrogation (3 years after events, right?) and believed Varrick very quickly. Cullen was not interrogated or didn't tell her much. At least that's the impression I've got.

 

Mass destruction spells aside mages can also mindcontrol other people. I personaly find it even more dangerous, and warriors cannot do that.

[Vilegrim]

 

I haven't still read everything in this thread but these are my points why I think Cullen makes sense and is rather good as military advisor of Inquisition:

 

1. There is lack of competent people who Chantry could trust. There is lot of conflict around Thedas and many important people died in the scene where our Inquisition is sole survivor. Cullen is templar who seems to be loyal to chantry and has some leading experience.. I bet characters with those qualities are rare in DAI.
2. Cullen was mentally strong enough to survive Broken Circle and he was only templar who did so. He was rookie and still survived when all others died.
3. He has been through alot and still is going. From his character description he seems determined and he seems to want to be part of Inquisition. Why Cass wouldn't give him change taking accord that there probaply wasn't many other choices?
4. Then not lore related: BW could have done new character but if they have character who is already known and would fit to story, why not add him? Why spend more time creating new character and his/her story from the scratch? I doubt they could ever do character which was universally liked in the position anyways.

 

 

 

1. We are supposed to be nothing to do with the Chantry, so that is actually a point against him.

 

2. So he is an action survivor, says absolutely nothing about his leadership ability or his tactical and strategic acumen.

 

3. Cass is not the commander of the Inquistion, and the same point 1 that strikes against Cullen strikes against her. 

 

4. You could have put in a genuine alternative view point, someone from a region, religion and culture that hasn't been explored, but no...another Andrastrian with strong ties to the Chantry it is...*yawn*

[Asperath]

1. We are supposed to be nothing to do with the Chantry, so that is actually a point against him.

 

2. So he is an action survivor, says absolutely nothing about his leadership ability or his tactical and strategic acumen.

 

3. Cass is not the commander of the Inquistion, and the same point 1 that strikes against Cullen strikes against her. 

 

4. You could have put in a genuine alternative view point, someone from a region, religion and culture that hasn't been explored, but no...another Andrastrian with strong ties to the Chantry it is...*yawn*

 

 

1. Who said? I've seen nothing from Bioware stating that the Inquisition has no attachment (even minor) to the chantry.

 

Wasn't the first inquisition the prelude to the templars anyway?

Anyway, not sure if my memory's correct on that one

[Chiramu]

Personally I think Cullen is a good character to be advisor for the Inquisition. Not because I like him, but because he will generally be a good addition to the line up. 

 

DA2 showed a good deal of growth from him, right at the end he had a really cool head on his shoulders. 

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Cassandra: Then Meredith provoked the Circle. She was to blame.

Varric: Or that damned idol was. Or Anders. Take your pick.

It seems Cassandra was quite in the dark before interrogation (3 years after events, right?) and believed Varrick very quickly. Cullen was not interrogated or didn't tell her much. At least that's the impression I've got.

 

Mass destruction spells aside mages can also mindcontrol other people. I personaly find it even more dangerous, and warriors cannot do that.

 

I really don't think that there was much for him to tell except that his Commander descended slowly into madness. He didn't have all the inside information like Varric did. I think Cassandra would have known that if she needed to dig up all the grit that Varric would have been the person to go to. Hawke and his/her merry band of misfits were famous for their adventures in Kirkwall and if she wanted information on Hawke because everything pointed in his/her involvement then she would have gone straight to the closest source of information she could find. I would assume that she would have spoken to Cullen first and assessed that there wasn't much he could offer up in the way of information. 

[The Elder King]

The Inquisition will be indipendant from the Chantry, after (possibly) the events of the prologue, and it can have an antagonistic relationship with the Chantry. It doesn't change the fact that it started (as Leliana's interview confirmed) as something inside the Chantry. It makes sense that the leaders were recruited in the Chantry ranks.

[Danny Boy 7]

Cassandra: Then Meredith provoked the Circle. She was to blame.

Varric: Or that damned idol was. Or Anders. Take your pick.

It seems Cassandra was quite in the dark before interrogation (3 years after events, right?) and believed Varrick very quickly. Cullen was not interrogated or didn't tell her much. At least that's the impression I've got.

 

Mass destruction spells aside mages can also mindcontrol other people. I personaly find it even more dangerous, and warriors cannot do that.

 

Well that's if she was the one he talked to, or that the overwhelming response of "IT'S ALL HAWKE'S FAULT!!" wasn't the explanation that everyone took seriously which I imagine it was the only one they considered initially. Easier to assume that you're the good guys than to admit that you're flawed. Though I imagine that Cassandra would be the one Seeker who DID believe that stuff.

 

I dunno. I think Cassandra just didn't have all her resources and need to learn all this stuff on her own.
 

[Char]

1. We are supposed to be nothing to do with the Chantry, so that is actually a point against him.

 

2. So he is an action survivor, says absolutely nothing about his leadership ability or his tactical and strategic acumen.

 

3. Cass is not the commander of the Inquistion, and the same point 1 that strikes against Cullen strikes against her. 

 

4. You could have put in a genuine alternative view point, someone from a region, religion and culture that hasn't been explored, but no...another Andrastrian with strong ties to the Chantry it is...*yawn*

 

The Inquisition is founded at the behest of Chantry supporters. Therefore, the backbone of the Inquisition was bound to be CHantry-related. They aren't going to actively recruit people who disagree with them

Our Inquisitor is the one who can change that. Can take the Chantry backbone and command it against the wishes of the Chantry if they wish to, and recruit people who might otherwise be at odds with the Chantry to create a specialist force. That's why we're the Inquisitor.

 

Cullen's promotion to Knight-Captain in DA2 would suggest leadership of men, bearing in mind that second-in-command is still a commanding position. Army sergeants might not have total command of the army but they still lead their units because they have... leadership ability!

 

I totally understand that people would love to see a new character and a new viewpoint to be explored, but that is a choice by the Devs about the balance of the game. It's not the 'fault' of any one character, because they aren't real if you want a better representational mix, set up a feedback thread asking ready for DA4

[Vilegrim]

1. Who said? I've seen nothing from Bioware stating that the Inquisition has no attachment (even minor) to the chantry.

 

Wasn't the first inquisition the prelude to the templars anyway?

Anyway, not sure if my memory's correct on that one

 

 

4. The Inquisition is independent. And since it’s your baby, you can shape its trajectory. You can also determine where you’ll investigate, who you will forge alliances with, and more. How this plays out is an open question, but Game Informer’s article makes it sound like an ambitious—hopefully not too ambitious—addition to the game.

 

http://www.forbes.co...tails-revealed/

 

was the first to pop up on google.

[Vilegrim]

The Inquisition will be indipendant from the Chantry, after (possibly) the events of the prologue, and it can have an antagonistic relationship with the Chantry. It doesn't change the fact that it started (as Leliana's interview confirmed) as something inside the Chantry. It makes sense that the leaders were recruited in the Chantry ranks.

 

 

so purge them and move on.  Better a Blight than the Chantry.