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[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

I guess I was just unclear. It's not that every single word should be chosen, but there are too many times where such incredibly stupid stuff is said without any control over it that I'd take the silent protagonist approach of KotOR over it. 

Also, more than two options would be nice. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

What Gaider is doing in Dragon Age Inquisition is this: you have your dialogue wheel, with your choice, and you get to see what your character is going to say before you make that choice by hovering the cursor over it for the first part of the response. It doesn't mean there won't be any autodialogue. It means you'll see the entire first sentence or two rather than just two words and then get a surprise of saying something entirely different than you thought.

 

I expect that if this is a success in DA:I it may be carried over into the next Mass Effect game. If you could at least see the first full sentence your character says of the autodialogue sequence it would be a huge improvement.

 

I remember about a year ago people were praising The Witcher 2 for dialogue and it had so much autodialogue that it made Mass Effect 3 look mild. However, you were never under the illusion that this was "my Geralt" because there was no character customization.

[MegaSovereign]

If they minimized the auto-dialogue to the levels found in the Omega DLC AND added back the neutral option on the dialogue wheel I'd be complacent.

Considering the fact that the same people who made the Omega DLC will also be making the next ME game makes me hopeful on this aspect.

[CynicalShep]

Admit it - you just want to laugh at Joker's timely joke about Thessia, you monsters

[Livi14]

I never really had an issue with auto-dialogue. I found that the limited or unclear choices within the dialogue wheel were more of a problem than the conversations in which you can't choose anything at all. But that wasn't any different in ME1 and ME2.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

It'd be interesting if the dialogue choices available were affected by choices and actions taken in previous conversations. Like saving the council in the first game has an effect on the options available in the opening scene on Earth, maybe not saying "But the fight is here."

[themikefest]

Admit it - you just want to laugh at Joker's timely joke about Thessia, you monsters

That as well telling the Asari Councillor to **** off instead of saying "I'm sorry" for something that wasn't Shepard's fault.

[naddaya]

That as well telling the Asari Councillor to **** off instead of saying "I'm sorry" for something that wasn't Shepard's fault.

 

And being less butthurt over Earth. Everything is going to hell, focusing on Earth is silly. If your Shepard is a colonist or a spacer who's never shown any interest in Earth it's straight up weird.

[CynicalShep]

That as well telling the Asari Councillor to **** off instead of saying "I'm sorry" for something that wasn't Shepard's fault.

I know, pissed me off as well. That and a few more things. I'd meld with Tevos though #ifyaknowwhatimean

[DeinonSlayer]

I guess I was just unclear. It's not that every single word should be chosen, but there are too many times where such incredibly stupid stuff is said without any control over it that I'd take the silent protagonist approach of KotOR over it.
Also, more than two options would be nice.

It was a bit awkward how, for MaleShep, your only options in the encounter at Purgatory with Steve were to either ogle the strippers (Asari of course) or hit on him. My canon MaleShep (straight, loyal to Tali) skipped the encounter altogether because it forces me to break character.

[KaiserShep]

That's really unfortunate. The lines used for FemShep should have been there for BroShep as well.

[DeinonSlayer]

That's really unfortunate. The lines used for FemShep should have been there for BroShep as well.

What does FemShep say? I can't remember.

[KaiserShep]

I can't remember the exact words, but first she tells him that she didn't think that club was his sort of place, and he goes on about the positive energy and the dancing, he goes on about living for today, then she can either toast to their friendship or to a new day or the future or something. I can't remember. But in any case, it's just friendly banter to emphasize on their growing friendship.

[dreamgazer]

And being less butthurt over Earth. Everything is going to hell, focusing on Earth is silly. If your Shepard is a colonist or a spacer who's never shown any interest in Earth it's straight up weird.

 

Still makes sense to me, since Earth is home to 11.4 billion members of the human population (over 9/10 of their numbers) and colonies frequently send their industrial output back there.  Earth doesn't matter because it's home; it matters because it's the human capital. 

[KaiserShep]

Losing earth in its entirety puts the human race on the fast track to becoming an endangered species, and this is on top of the fact that the colonies are done for. I suppose it's fine if you don't care about the human race, but Shepard clearly cared about the remote colonies in the Terminus whether we liked it or not.

[naddaya]

Still makes sense to me, since Earth is home to 11.4 billion members of the human population (over 9/10 of their numbers) and colonies frequently send their industrial output back there.  Earth doesn't matter because it's home; it matters because it's the human capital. 

 

The phrase "retaking Earth" is ME3's catchphrase. Earth is import, more important than other planets because, being a homeworld, it's more populated than most colonies. Same goes for Palaven and Thessia, and I understand why aliens are concerned about them too.

 

But whether he/she cares about it on a personal level, retaking Earth shouldn't be Shepard's priority. Defeating the Reapers should. Forming an alliance with other races and building the biggest, most capable army possible should. Shepard rarely mention those. Everyone is facing annihilation. It isn't about humans, it's about all organics. If humanity was destroyed but the Reapers were destroyed and other races survived the war, I'd still call it a victory.

[dreamgazer]

The phrase "retaking Earth" is ME3's catchphrase. Earth is import, more important than other planets because, being a homeworld, it's more populated than most colonies. Same goes for Palaven and Thessia, and I understand why aliens are concerned about them too.

 

But whether he/she cares about it on a personal level, retaking Earth shouldn't be Shepard's priority. Defeating the Reapers should. Forming an alliance with other races and building the biggest, most capable army possible should.Everyone is facing annihilation. It isn't about humans, it's about all organics. If humanity was destroyed but the Reapers were destroyed and other races survived the war, I'd still call it a victory.

 

I mean, I agree with you, but Shepard's multitasking with every political and logistical move s/he makes.  It's about the immediacy of saving Earth, it's about building alliances with other species, and it's about building the Crucible (and amassing resistance numbers) to stop the Reapers.  Everything obviously isn't directly about Earth, even though it's a major concern.  

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Well, Shepard's an idiot. 

"I thought Asari needed other species to reproduce."

Of course, another horrible line. "Human dominance, or Cerberus dominance?" As if all but one of my Shepard's thinks either of those is okay. 

[dreamgazer]

"You're just a machine, and machines can be broken!"

[Barquiel]

Shepard says some stupid things in all three games. The whole "soul of our species" line made me facepalm, for example. It can't be the risk of indoctrination, the risk of what TIM might do with the collector base...the probability of backfiring? No! The "soul" of our species. That's something I'd never, ever put into the mouth of any of my Shepards. The Earth centrism in ME3 also annoyed me a bit.

[naddaya]

I mean, I agree with you, but Shepard's multitasking with every political and logistical move s/he makes.  It's about the immediacy of saving Earth, it's about building alliance with other species, and it's about building the Crucible (and amassing resistance numbers) to stop the Reapers.  Everything obviously isn't directly about Earth, even though it's a major concern.  

 

I have no complaints about Shepard's actions, it's just a couple of dialogues that bug me. "The Citadel? The fight's here", "That's a tall order", "We need allies to take back Earth" to name a few. Nothing that a few additional dialogue choices wouldn't fix.

 

@Barquiel - I literally face palmed at that line. Still, I think ME3 has slightly more dumb lines than the previous two, even considering Shep's derpiness on the genophage and asari mating.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Not exactly autodialogue, but why Shepard couldn't have just given the IFF to the Citadel races and let them examine the collector base is beyond me. 

[cap and gown]

That as well telling the Asari Councillor to **** off instead of saying "I'm sorry" for something that wasn't Shepard's fault.

 

I don't really have too much of a problem with the "I'm sorry" bit, but I can see where people might. But that is not a problem with "auto-dialogue" but with the script. What if they had given you another option, only that one sucked too? Even though I don't have a problem with the "I'm sorry" dialogue, I do have a huge problem with the next dialogue with the crew where you DO have an option because BOTH options suck, IMO. In one case Shepard says "I should have known." How? In the other case, Shepard says "Now Thessia's lost, and that's on me." What?!?! How is that on Shepard? Wonderful, I got to pick a response, and both of them suck.

 

The problem, IMO, with the series is not the micro-issue of picking whether to be polite or rude in any particular conversation. The problem is the script is TOO micro focused. It should have a/several larger themes where the MC picks one alignment or the other. Saying "help me please" vs "help me you jerk" is not really role-playing. Being pro- or anti-genophage, for instance, is. That's where I think the effort should be focused, not on letting the MC pick and choose the adjectives they will use.

[KaiserShep]

Not exactly autodialogue, but why Shepard couldn't have just given the IFF to the Citadel races and let them examine the collector base is beyond me.

You know the plot would've had them screw it up somehow.

Admiral Hackett: "Sweet Enola Gay! The entire Citadel fleet was taken out by the Collectors!"

Shepard: "Doh!"

[themikefest]

I don't really have too much of a problem with the "I'm sorry" bit, but I can see where people might. But that is not a problem with "auto-dialogue" but with the script. What if they had given you another option, only that one sucked too? Even though I don't have a problem with the "I'm sorry" dialogue, I do have a huge problem with the next dialogue with the crew where you DO have an option because BOTH options suck, IMO. In one case Shepard says "I should have known." How? In the other case, Shepard says "Now Thessia's lost, and that's on me." What?!?! How is that on Shepard? Wonderful, I got to pick a response, and both of them suck.

 

The problem, IMO, with the series is not the micro-issue of picking whether to be polite or rude in any particular conversation. The problem is the script is TOO micro focused. It should have a/several larger themes where the MC picks one alignment or the other. Saying "help me please" vs "help me you jerk" is not really role-playing. Being pro- or anti-genophage, for instance, is. That's where I think the effort should be focused, not on letting the MC pick and choose the adjectives they will use.

The I'm sorry crap was garbage. But,  you're right about the script being crap. I mean I can yell at Joker for his joke, but I can't yell at T'soni for yelling at Javik? Why is that?