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[Fixers0]

You should learn the difference between hallucinated delusions and evidence.

 

You should probably play the game and pay attention.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I'm pretty sure this is entirely wrong.

 

That the player can hover and receive an explanation only for choices. That for regular dialogue, you get the paraphrase and that's it.

 

Really. I saw a video on Youtube of Gaider explaining this at a panel. You are absolutely wrong on this. That problem is being addressed in DA:Inquisition. As for finding it? I'm not going to look. You'll have to do the digging. I saw it linked somewhere in the DA: I forums.

[Han Shot First]

  Way too girly

 

Yes, because only girls get upset over the death of children. Men only get sad when their favorite sports team loses.

 

[Bob from Accounting]

Straight from the "What we know about DA:I thread." Which is updated regularly.

 

The Tone Wheel is the "standard" option that you see most often in DA2. You are selected dialogue for the purpose of conversation and exposition. Your character's choices reflect his overall attitude and demeanor. The tones from DA2 (Diplomatic, Sarcastic, and Aggressive) have been replaced with Noble, Clever, and Direct.

 

The Action Wheel is for making a hard-line choice between two (or more) options. It is not tone-based (such as the Accept/Deny quest options in DA2), and all options are "neutral" in terms of tone. To avoid confusion, each option will tell you explicitly the intent of the selected option.

 

If the Tone Wheel allowed the player to see the full dialogue, I would think it would have been mentioned here. But it isn't mentioned, is it?

[themikefest]

 

Furthermore I highly doubt your claim of  Earth's strategic importance, It's described as an "Acid-washed Slum" and it said to be exhausted out of raw materials. It's got a high population, but not arguebly not a very productive one.

So you believe what one Salarian says about Earth?

[Fixers0]

So you believe what one Salarian says about Earth?

 

I see no reason to assume he's lying. Of course the quote is merely an illustration, even if Earth was a paradise I would still see it  as liability rather than an asset to the Alliance.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

As for Shepard being "attached to Earth," I look at it as part of the bad writing theory. Attached to humanity would have been a better way of putting it. I really wish they'd given us the renegade interrupt of "Ah, yes, 'reapers.' Sorry, you mean the Geth are invading your world?"

 

And they couldn't have the council pull together in the beginning. That would be too easy. There would have been no story. It would have been about building and only about building the Crucible. So it was about building the alliance. Thus the council had to be idiots, following an idiot leader who didn't know that Asari could reproduce with their own species.

 

As for the Asari not attending the summit, that would have put additional pressure on the Salarians, taking the heat off of our hero to make the call. It was because of heroism. You couldn't have any blue space babe counseling for reason that "what difference does it make? If the genophage isn't cured, we stand an even greater chance of losing this war. Chances of winning are very slim as it is."

 

Ah, they should have had Arnold Schwarzenegger voice act Shepard, and had the thing full of one liners. The council renegade interrupt would have been funny as hell.

[themikefest]

I see no reason to assume he's lying. Of course the quote is merely an illustration, even if Earth was a paradise I would still see it  as liability rather than an asset to the Alliance.

So if a human said the same thing about Sur'kesh, you would believe he/she isn't lying?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

 

Straight from the "What we know about DA:I thread." Which is updated regularly.

 

The Tone Wheel is the "standard" option that you see most often in DA2. You are selected dialogue for the purpose of conversation and exposition. Your character's choices reflect his overall attitude and demeanor. The tones from DA2 (Diplomatic, Sarcastic, and Aggressive) have been replaced with Noble, Clever, and Direct.

 

The Action Wheel is for making a hard-line choice between two (or more) options. It is not tone-based (such as the Accept/Deny quest options in DA2), and all options are "neutral" in terms of tone. To avoid confusion, each option will tell you explicitly the intent of the selected option.

 

If the Tone Wheel allowed the player to see the full dialogue, I would think it would have been mentioned here. But it isn't mentioned, is it?

 

 

The Youtube video showed the tone wheel showing a highlighted "what the character says" at the top of the screen. In Gaider's example this showed a full line and a half on the screen. Did I say the full dialogue? No I did not. I said the first sentence of the dialogue. Sorry Bob from Accounting. You lose.

[Fixers0]

So if a human said the same thing about Sur'kesh, you would believe he/she isn't lying?

 

Depends, really, on who's saying it and under what circumstances. This, of course, purely hypothetically speaking.

[KaiserShep]

Furthermore I highly doubt your claim of  Earth's strategic importance, It's described as an "Acid-washed Slum" and it said to be exhausted out of raw materials. It's got a high population, but not arguebly not a very productive one.

 

Are you seriously going to take an insult from some salarian scum on Noveria as sufficient evidence? Who cares what Anoleis says? To Salarians, any heavily industrialized world is probably an "acid-washed slum" to them. They live on a friggin jungle world. You are also ignoring the point that Earth is also home to 11 billion people. Regardless of the state of its resources, it is still the largest human population in the entire galaxy. That is what matters.

[Han Shot First]

Earth is certainly the most strategically important human planet, and by a wide margain. As of Mass Effect 3 the vast majority of humanity still lives on Earth. The Alliance's largest extrasolar colony (Elysium) only has a population of 8.3 million people, and that is for the entire planet. For perspective, the city of London alone today has a population of 8.4 million people. If you include the greater metropolitan area of London, it goes up to 15 million. The planet of Elysium only has about half as many people living on it as there are people living in or near London today. Bekenstein, Terra Nova, and Eden Prime all have under 6 million each.

 

Given that much of humanity has yet to spread out amongst the stars Earth must still be the most economically important planet for the Alliance and its main manufacturing hub.

 

The Alliance focusing most of its efforts on Earth rather than on its far flung colonies makes sense. What makes less sense is the Alliance demanding that the alien factions ignore the invasions of their own home worlds, and send their fleets to save Earth. Udina (and unfortunately, Shepard) are demanding the Turian Fleet while Palaven burns.

[Fixers0]

Are you seriously going to take an insult from some salarian scum on Noveria as sufficient evidence? Who cares what Anoleis says? To Salarians, any heavily industrialized world is probably an "acid-washed slum" to them. They live on a friggin jungle world. You are also ignoring the point that Earth is also home to 11 billion people. Regardless of the state of its resources, it is still the largest human population in the entire galaxy. That is what matters.

 

Why? Why does the population matter? what's their value? Why are they worth risking dozens of ships and hunderds of trained navy personel for? As I mentioned earlier the productivity of Earth's population is highly questionable seeining how it's mostly limited to the boundries of the planet, they could volunteer for the Alliance, though we know only a very small amount do so. 

[KaiserShep]

Oh for Andraste's sake. **** productivity. Sometimes I grow a bit weary of these inane arguments diminishing the value of human life over how productive one assumes they may be.

 

If the risk of being rendered functionally extinct ain't no thang, or billions of people are not important, then this discussion is pointless.

[Fixers0]

If the risk of extinction ain't no thang, then there's no point in this discussion.

 

Yet it's never proven that such risk even exists. 

[Barquiel]

It would take the Reapers a long time to harvest Earth, 10 years according to the codex. Had Shepard given a reason as to why Earth was so strategically important with the other people and Council races, then this wouldn't feel so forced. But the writers were a bit lazy here and banked on the "The player is human -> therefore they will care more about Earth than Palavan or Thessia (and I simply don't)."

[KaiserShep]

In the end, it doesn't matter. The Alliance is the one hiding the Crucible, and everyone else is dead in the water without it. If it was just a weapon that you point and shoot at the reapers without the Citadel, Earth would most likely be its first destination, because, well, it's the Alliance's hands, and it would be at the discretion of whoever is leading the initiative to build it, and they have no reason to prioritize the alien home worlds. If the asari or turians or salarians controlled the Crucible project, then they'd prioritize their own worlds as well (though the salarians were left alone for most of the war). Whatever Shepard wants or doesn't want to do doesn't matter at that point, because Hackett can say "Sorry, off to Earth we go."

[KaiserShep]

Yet it's never proven that such risk even exists. 

 

So the fact that the reapers are obliterating the colonies and harvesting people by the millions isn't evidence enough? Right.

[Fixers0]

So the fact that the reapers are obliterating the colonies and harvesting people by the millions isn't evidence enough? Right.

 

There is no proof that the destruction of earth's population would lead to humanity's extinction, indeed.

[KaiserShep]

I didn't say that it definitely would. I said that it runs the risk of rendering the human race functionally extinct. If you wipe out both the extrasolar colonies and the population of earth, what's left is in an extremely precarious position, possibly worse off than the quarians. The combined population of every Alliance ship is extremely small by comparison.

[themikefest]

And had the Asari revealed the beacon earlier there is the possibility that not only numerous lives could've/would've been saved and the Crucible been built earlier, but its possible that the Crucible would've/could've been used in the Serpent Nebula instead of going to Earth.

[Fixers0]

I didn't say that it definitely would. I said that it runs the risk of rendering the human race functionally extinct. If you wipe out both the extrasolar colonies and the population of earth, what's left is in an extremely precarious position, possibly worse off than the quarians.

 

Maybe, maybe not. Ideally the Alliance should've directed their defenses at more tactically sensible targets, Either mass all eight fleets at Arcturus and let the Reapers continue through the relay to earth while protecting the Alliance's most important asset or evacute Arcturus and fall back to certain strategic locations (Argos Rho, Styx Theta) before the Reapers arrive.

[KaiserShep]

Underestimation of the reapers' forces and the speed of their attack was a mistake that everyone made, not just the Alliance, and they did pay for it dearly, but then, so did the turians, and the asari. They were able to hold out longer, but it was a mistake nonetheless.

[Fixers0]

Underestimation of the reapers' forces and the speed of their attack was a mistake that everyone made, not just the Alliance, and they did pay for it dearly, but then, so did the turians, and the asari. They were able to hold out longer, but it was a mistake nonetheless.

 

It was not just underestimation, though that would be nough, it's a poor allocation of resources mixed with bad tactics. There was no point in stationing a fleet at Terra Nova, Ontarom or earth, It's a miracle the fleets didn't just rout after losing so many vessels with appearantly no contingency, It would almost seem as I've they'd actually wanted to go out in a blaze of glory rather than put up an actual fight.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

While the reapers were focused on Earth it gave everyone time to regroup. It even gave Hackett time to hide the Crucible and build it. We got the Krogan to fight on Palaven because the reapers hit Palaven very hard due to the power of their military. They wanted to take it out. The Krogan were supposed to slow them down. Still even when they were supposedly having that "miracle on Palaven" the casualty rate was 80%. No way to keep up that. In the end Palaven was a wasteland and was lost; and Earth got the remnants of the Turian and Krogan forces.

 

And Fixers0, there was no way in hell that even good tactics could put up a good fight. The reapers had thousands of dreadnought class ships. The allied forces had less than 100. It was a lost war without the Crucible or some other miracle weapon.

 

And even after the Battle of the Citadel there was no way in hell they were going to be able to build enough dreadnoughts to counter the reapers in three years. There wasn't enough time.