And Fixers0, there was no way in hell that even good tactics could put up a good fight.
Agreed, which is why I speculated that the Alliance wanted to go out in a blaze of glory, because their approach of the situation allows no other explanation. However the destruction of nearly four fleets which includes dozens of vessels and hundreds of service man can partially be blamed on poor tactics.
Why? Why does the population matter? what's their value? Why are they worth risking dozens of ships and hunderds of trained navy personel for? As I mentioned earlier the productivity of Earth's population is highly questionable seeining how it's mostly limited to the boundries of the planet, they could volunteer for the Alliance, though we know only a very small amount do so.
Huh? Exactly where do you imagine the Alliance's GDP comes from, if not Earth?
Maybe, maybe not. Ideally the Alliance should've directed their defenses at more tactically sensible targets, Either mass all eight fleets at Arcturus and let the Reapers continue through the relay to earth while protecting the Alliance's most important asset or evacute Arcturus and fall back to certain strategic locations (Argos Rho, Styx Theta) before the Reapers arrive.
Massing at Arcturus would have been suicide. Trying for a decisive battle with substantially inferior forces? If you're going to claim that the Alliance was using bad tactics you really shouldn't be pushing such idiocy.
While the reapers were focused on Earth it gave everyone time to regroup. It even gave Hackett time to hide the Crucible and build it. We got the Krogan to fight on Palaven because the reapers hit Palaven very hard due to the power of their military. They wanted to take it out. The Krogan were supposed to slow them down. Still even when they were supposedly having that "miracle on Palaven" the casualty rate was 80%. No way to keep up that. In the end Palaven was a wasteland and was lost; and Earth got the remnants of the Turian and Krogan forces.
And Fixers0, there was no way in hell that even good tactics could put up a good fight. The reapers had thousands of dreadnought class ships. The allied forces had less than 100. It was a lost war without the Crucible or some other miracle weapon.
And even after the Battle of the Citadel there was no way in hell they were going to be able to build enough dreadnoughts to counter the reapers in three years. There wasn't enough time.
The strategy that the Turians used was perfect in the Battle of Palaven. Its too bad they didn't continue doing that instead of protecting their planet.
The other thing is Illium destroyed all the troop carrier ships and processing ships delaying the invasion. Too bad other planets weren't able to do that.
It's clear that we couldn't win conventionelly, but I think the best strategy would have been the tactic the Asari tried (just with more ships). Take out the reapers harvesting Thessia and Palavan, supply the resistance, fall back,...and not to throw all our ships into a firefight witht he biggest concentration of Reapers in the galaxy.
The Reaper deployment does offer some opportunities for defeat in detail -- but of course, this only lasts for as long as the Reapers keep prioritizing harvesting over security. If the Reapers ever decided it was time for no more Mr. Nice Guy, they could just scorch Palaven the way they flattened Bekenstein.
Actually, an old Soviet concept -- "reflexive control," IIRC -- applies here. The Alliance doesn't really want to disturb the situation too much, because while the Reapers are bogged down on Palaven and Thessia they're not interfering with the Crucible project. Sort of the mirror image of the Rannoch situation, where the Reapers are trying to keep the stalemate going since the stalemate neutralizes both the geth and the quarians. So what you want to do is appear to be trying to break up the sieges, but mostly fail. As long as the Reapers see the current strategy as working, they won't change it.
Massing at Arcturus would have been suicide. Trying for a decisive battle with substantially inferior forces? If you're going to claim that the Alliance was using bad tactics you really shouldn't be pushing such idiocy.
Actually, they should pushing for a stalemate, Much like the Turians did at Pherios, they don't even have to keep all their fleets at Arcturus, Just enough to keep the Reapers away from the stations.
Huh? Exactly where do you imagine the Alliance's GDP comes from, if not Earth?
The Alliance is organised quite unlike today's governments, and is actually more comparable in it's purpose and operation to the British or Dutch East India companies than to a typical government and in that regard earns most of their income in a nontraditional manner. There's no exact information on the Alliance's economy but this explaination fits quite well with the given material.
Actually, they should pushing for a stalemate, Much like the Turians did at Pherios, they don't even have to keep all their fleets at Arcturus, Just enough to keep the Reapers away from the stations.
The Alliance in its entirety would not be able to keep the reapers from destroying Arcturus. They'd just overwhelm them and the loss would be catastrophic. The Illusive Man was right about one thing: If the reapers simply wanted to destroy everyone, they could do it. The one and only reason why it was possible to beat them at all with the Crucible was because they placed greater priority on harvesting than glassing planets. In any case, the Alliance simply does not have the turians' capacity to wage war in space. They simply don't have the ships. Basically, nothing matters without the Crucible.
Having the fleets amass at Arcturus, on top of having Shepard be stuck there for a hearing before a defense council would be kind of funny in how it spectacularly dooms the galaxy. Even if Shepard managed to get away (assuming the Normandy is there), the Crucible plans would probably be inaccessible at that point, because either Cerberus got the data, or the reapers destroyed the facility. The problem with this idea is that the plot involving the reapers themselves has to be rewritten to make this tactic work. The reapers would have to attack Earth first, while the fleets at Arcturus evacuate, rather than the other way around.
The Alliance in its entirety would not be able to keep the reapers from destroying Arcturus. They'd just overwhelm them and the loss would be catastrophic. The Illusive Man was right about one thing: If the reapers simply wanted to destroy everyone, they could do it. The one and only reason why it was possible to beat them at all with the Crucible was because they placed greater priority on harvesting than glassing planets. In any case, the Alliance simply does not have the turians' capacity to wage war in space. They simply don't have the ships. Basically, nothing matters without the Crucible.
I wouldn't say just that, they may lose eventually, though It will cost the Reapers dearly as well, the combined firepower of eight fleets will most likely down several Sovereign class vessels and that point the Reapers may actually prefer to just attack earth and leave Arcuturs alone for the time being.
Having the fleets amass at Arcturus, on top of having Shepard be stuck there for a hearing before a defense council would be kind of funny in how it spectacularly dooms the galaxy. Even if Shepard managed to get away (assuming the Normandy is there), the Crucible plans would probably be inaccessible at that point, because either Cerberus got the data, or the reapers destroyed the facility. The problem with this idea is that the plot involving the reapers themselves has to be rewritten to make this tactic work. The reapers would have to attack Earth first, while the fleets at Arcturus evacuate, rather than the other way around.
It certainly fits better with lore, we've never seen Arcuturs from the inside and now is as good a time as ever. The Crucible can just be ditched and replaced with something more sensible, with that we also lose the contrivance of the Crucible plans being located on Mars, a location where Alliance scientist have been studyin the Prothean ruins for decades.
The strategy that the Turians used was perfect in the Battle of Palaven. Its too bad they didn't continue doing that instead of protecting their planet.
The other thing is Illium destroyed all the troop carrier ships and processing ships delaying the invasion. Too bad other planets weren't able to do that.
They could have, actually. All it took was some nukes.
The Alliance in its entirety would not be able to keep the reapers from destroying Arcturus. They'd just overwhelm them and the loss would be catastrophic. The Illusive Man was right about one thing: If the reapers simply wanted to destroy everyone, they could do it. The one and only reason why it was possible to beat them at all with the Crucible was because they placed greater priority on harvesting than glassing planets. In any case, the Alliance simply does not have the turians' capacity to wage war in space. They simply don't have the ships. Basically, nothing matters without the Crucible.
Having the fleets amass at Arcturus, on top of having Shepard be stuck there for a hearing before a defense council would be kind of funny in how it spectacularly dooms the galaxy. Even if Shepard managed to get away (assuming the Normandy is there), the Crucible plans would probably be inaccessible at that point, because either Cerberus got the data, or the reapers destroyed the facility. The problem with this idea is that the plot involving the reapers themselves has to be rewritten to make this tactic work. The reapers would have to attack Earth first, while the fleets at Arcturus evacuate, rather than the other way around.
Eh, if the Alliance ships learn to move sideways they could easily defeat the Reapers.
It certainly fits better with lore, we've never seen Arcuturs from the inside and now is as good a time as ever. The Crucible can just be ditched and replaced with something more sensible, with that we also lose the contrivance of the Crucible plans being located on Mars, a location where Alliance scientist have been studyin the Prothean ruins for decades.
Problem is that the reapers are vastly overpowered. Nothing anyone does is really sufficient. You can shoot at them from behind, beat them at cards, get cosmic lawyers to bury them in celestial litigation and bog them down with pamphlet-toting people asking if they'd like to know more about the Maker, whatever you do, they adapt and eventually find a way to beat your tactics, and there's so many of them that they can take the losses and keep on coming, and then bombard and overrun your installations and cities with the recycled dead.
"You're just a machine, and machines can be broken!"
This hurts me...
Call me weird, but I've never seen the problem with that line.
Call me weird, but I've never seen the problem with that line.
I do like when Harbinger tells Shepard "You have become an annoyance."
I wish Shepard was able to say "Sovereign was a lot smoother than you."
It's just cheesy. Couple that with the fact that Shepard's badassery also somehow pissed off the aforementioned machine and it's beyond comic book cheesy. It's sixties western cheesy.
It's really not that cheesy. It's an observation in truth to be honest.
Are we talking about the same line? I'm talking about the 'Machines' line.
I do like when Harbinger tells Shepard "You have become an annoyance."
I wish Shepard was able to say "Sovereign was a lot smoother than you."
Sovereign was a smooth talker. He attracted a lot of ships, and also, denied a lot of other ships too.
Eh, if the Alliance ships learn to move sideways they could easily defeat the Reapers.
Yeah because a sideway move.. that's impossible for the Reapers to adapt to. The complexity of that move is mindboggling.
Yeah because a sideway move.. that's impossible for the Reapers to adapt to. The complexity of that move is mindboggling.
But the one thing that will win them every time is if they finally remember that space is 3-Dimensional. Then they won't have to charge at everybody like it's a 2-Dimensional ocean.
The Reapers will never adapt to that!
"Superior intellect"-characters in movies/games continuously seem to have a problem with that sort of thing
About the OT:
IF the autodialogue is done similar to ME2, and smaller (not characterizing!) scale i'm fine with it.
But having entire dialogues without even a single choice is just wrong in an ME game.
Remember, the enemy's gate is down.But the one thing that will win them every time is if they finally remember that space is 3-Dimensional. Then they won't have to charge at everybody like it's a 2-Dimensional ocean.
The Reapers will never adapt to that!
Eh, if the Alliance ships learn to move sideways they could easily defeat the Reapers.
One wonders why Shepard is the only soldier in the galaxy to figure out all you have to do is dodge. 
Stupid Reapers. Flyswatters are for smart people!
Circle-strafing FTW!
It's really not that cheesy. It's an observation in truth to be honest.
Are we talking about the same line? I'm talking about the 'Machines' line.
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