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[Killdren88]

As it says in the tittle. If your inquisitor has the option, do you plan to dismantle the Chantry in all aspects? Or will you try to reform what the Chantry stands for?

 

 

Do try to keep things civil.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

There are certainly some things the Chantry needs to improve on, but then I can say that about every group, on Earth or in the DA world. So I'm going to reform. 

[Killdren88]

There are certainly some things the Chantry needs to improve on, but then I can say that about every group, on Earth or in the DA world. So I'm going to reform. 

 

What do you mean end well? It's an honest question.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

What do you mean end well? It's an honest question.

I removed that, but there are a few super Pro-Chantry people, and a few super Anti-Chantry people. These two groups in the same thread will not mix well. 

[Killdren88]

I removed that, but there are a few super Pro-Chantry people, and a few super Anti-Chantry people. These two groups in the same thread will not mix well. 

 

Ah, Fair enough.

[RobRam10]

I would remove the wretched orlesian chantry and replace it with the Imperial Chantry.

[Lebanese Dude]

Reform

[Elhanan]

Depends on the PC; most will go for reform, but a few shall dismantle it.

[Vilegrim]

if by 'dismantle' you mean 'obliterate' then dismantle.

[DrBlingzle]

Reform certainly (if I get the choice anyway). I'm not going to destroy peoples religeous freedoms by, well, destroying their religeous organisation but there are certainly some things the chantry ought to change. For instance a bit less of the fear mongering of mages and bringing back the elf Shartan into the story of Andraste.

[KC_Prototype]

Reform. I like the Chantry just think it needs some changes, here's what I'll change

• Mages have more rights and freedom but from age 6 to 18 they need to attend the Circle of Magi for training. They still can leave the Circle on their own but lose all benefits(land opportunity, titles, jobs, etc) except freedom. Circle Mages get to go home to family on holidays and for an extended period after 9 straight months of training. 
• Elves get the Dales back and can accept the Chantry for benefits and nicer relations with it's foreign neighbors. Elves in the city get equal rights and opportunities as humans. NO SLAVERY PERIOD
• Dwarves will have assistance with reclaiming thaigs back to increase their empire. Lyrium trade is open to city merchants.
• NO SLAVERY
• Qunari Chantry converts will get equal rights as everybody else.

[mordy_was_here]

Reform certainly (if I get the choice anyway). I'm not going to destroy peoples religeous freedoms by, well, destroying their religeous organisation but there are certainly some things the chantry ought to change. For instance a bit less of the fear mongering of mages and bringing back the elf Shartan into the story of Andraste.

 

It's late, so I'm just going to say ^this.

[Gtdef]

Too many things to consider for a simple answer and I'm not really equipped to discuss it. But if I had to, depending on what I do I'd have a different approach. As a ruler in time of war I would keep Chantry as it is and use it as a propaganda weapon. As a leader of a faction that protects the world from supernatural threats I'd reform the Chantry and it's role in the "modern world" after the war. As myself I'd want it dismantled and lots of popcorn.

 

The question really is how much we care for the common people. Reforming the Chantry is not unlike political reforms. People identify with the faith on the very deep and personal level. Especially the lower classes. Messing with their religion can lead to civil wars.

[The Elder King]

Reform.

[Adanu]

Obliterate if I can, massive reform if not.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Dismantle. 

 

There is no reason why religious organizations should exist in Thedas. That includes the Chantry. 

 

1) We do not know the Maker exists or not. Even if the Maker exists, we do not know if he think that the Chant of Light should be the Maker's representatives on Thedas. 

 

2) We do not even know or have many concrete details about Andraste that makes her worthy of being a prophetess and being worshipped. She might be a sominiari or a very powerful healer mage. We do not know what happened to her exactly as in who was the one who came in her dreams and told her to rebel ? A pride demon ? A spirit of hope ? The Maker ? Ancient elves ? 

 

3) The Chantry are a huge and unnecessary drain of resources in Thedas. All those buildings that house the Chantry could have gone into storing food supplies or to provide education for the common folk or to act as a cultural center. All those Templars who get addicted by lyrium and indoctrinated into hating mages could have been sane and good people.

 

4) The Canticle is not even clear how mages are responsible for the hubris. We do not even know if there is an actual Golden City up there. 

 

All in all, the Chantry would be dismantled under my Inquisition. It serves no logical purpose to exist. I would rather have more universities or shops or artisans or theaters or food supply depots existing instead of the Chantry. I would rather have educated and intelligent Theodosians as opposed to blind fools and zealots. 

 

After all, whatever that is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. The same goes for the Chantry. 

[Mecha Elf]

Reform. Justike anything, religions can coexist peacefully. Maybe im too idealistic but whatever.

[godModeAlpha]

There is nothing wrong with the the chantry IMHO, since they don't force peeps to believe in Andraste / Maker. But on the subject of reform, I will work towards:

+ Reforming the circle, find an alternative to tranquility especially since demons can invade the mind of the tranquil.
+ Give mages freedom to live outside the circle, only after they have graduated into senior mage status.

Magic exists to serve man, and never to rule over him.
Foul and corrupt are they
Who have taken His gift
And turned it against His children.
They shall be named Maleficar, accursed ones.
They shall find no rest in this world
Or beyond.
-Transfigurations 1:2

[DrBlingzle]

Dismantle.

There is no reason why religious organizations should exist in Thedas. That includes the Chantry.

1) We do not know the Maker exists or not. Even if the Maker exists, we do not know if he think that the Chant of Light should be the Maker's representatives on Thedas.

2) We do not even know or have many concrete details about Andraste that makes her worthy of being a prophetess and being worshipped. She might be a sominiari or a very powerful healer mage. We do not know what happened to her exactly as in who was the one who came in her dreams and told her to rebel ? A pride demon ? A spirit of hope ? The Maker ? Ancient elves ?

3) The Chantry are a huge and unnecessary drain of resources in Thedas. All those buildings that house the Chantry could have gone into storing food supplies or to provide education for the common folk or to act as a cultural center. All those Templars who get addicted by lyrium and indoctrinated into hating mages could have been sane and good people.

4) The Canticle is not even clear how mages are responsible for the hubris. We do not even know if there is an actual Golden City up there.

All in all, the Chantry would be dismantled under my Inquisition. It serves no logical purpose to exist. I would rather have more universities or shops or artisans or theaters or food supply depots existing instead of the Chantry. I would rather have educated and intelligent Theodosians as opposed to blind fools and zealots.

After all, whatever that is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. The same goes for the Chantry.

Well if we follow that logic we should stop people from worshiping what they believe in just because it hasn't been proven and that would be completely crushing people's religious freedoms.

[Gtdef]

Dismantle. 

 

There is no reason why religious organizations should exist in Thedas. That includes the Chantry. 

 

1) We do not know the Maker exists or not. Even if the Maker exists, we do not know if he think that the Chant of Light should be the Maker's representatives on Thedas. 

 

2) We do not even know or have many concrete details about Andraste that makes her worthy of being a prophetess and being worshipped. She might be a sominiari or a very powerful healer mage. We do not know what happened to her exactly as in who was the one who came in her dreams and told her to rebel ? A pride demon ? A spirit of hope ? The Maker ? Ancient elves ? 

 

3) The Chantry are a huge and unnecessary drain of resources in Thedas. All those buildings that house the Chantry could have gone into storing food supplies or to provide education for the common folk or to act as a cultural center. All those Templars who get addicted by lyrium and indoctrinated into hating mages could have been sane and good people.

 

4) The Canticle is not even clear how mages are responsible for the hubris. We do not even know if there is an actual Golden City up there. 

 

All in all, the Chantry would be dismantled under my Inquisition. It serves no logical purpose to exist. I would rather have more universities or shops or artisans or theaters or food supply depots existing instead of the Chantry. I would rather have educated and intelligent Theodosians as opposed to blind fools and zealots. 

 

After all, whatever that is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. The same goes for the Chantry. 

 

Your post reflects my general opinion on religion and faith that lacks a visible god but I don't think that dismantling is the most sound decision. History has shown that religions persevere because people identify too strongly with them. It's always easier to argue what faith means and use it to influence the faithful rather than just dismantling the Chantry and persecuting people that don't agree. And a cataclysmic event like the breach would make the "transition" even easier.

 

But well, it's a pretty difficult topic. I'm not even sure what I believe cause every "solution" has too many things to consider. Certainly the "lack of proof" isn't reason enough to dismantle it. Most real life religions are either stories or philosophical matters in a religious context anyway.

[andy6915]

Don't fully know yet. The Chantry is definitely corrupt to all hell though, and needs major revising if kept. Even if I do though, dismantling the Chantry isn't restricting religious freedom. After all it would just be the organization itself that is gone, but the religious beliefs wouldn't just dissipate and I will have no care if most of human society stays Andrastian. The church as it was before the war would be gone, but individual churches could and would still be made. By "before the war" I mean the political power they wielded where they actually had greater authority than nation leaders when it came to some things, their rights to exalted marches, their rights to form entire armies to be able to strong-arm everyone else like they did before the war, their rights to be the ones to handle mages (I think a more secular new group or something would do much better than the Chantry's "control over mages by divine right" way of handling them)... All that needs to go.

 

They can make churches still, the right to believe the religion will remain. But they will not be allowed to to become a major world power anymore, they will not be allowed to have authority over nation leaders, they will not be allowed to make and mobilize their own armies anymore (this includes Templars), and they will not be in charge of mages anymore even if some other non-mage affiliated group takes that duty over. To allow any of that stuff is to cause that religion to become corrupt and overtly powerful again. Basically, there will be a real separation of church and state, and the Chantry won't have the authority or armies to try to change it back to the old system where they effectively controlled sovereign nations. They are merely a religion, and that's what they will stay as. Being a religion doesn't mean you get the be more powerful than most entire sovereign countries.

 

And the reason why the religion itself won't be banned? It would be impossible. You can't ban someone from their foolish beliefs, not without making yourself the oppressor. All that would do is p!ss of most of the human population and just make their religious fervor even stronger and more Evangelical. I want total and true freedom and restricting religious beliefs, no matter how nonsense I personally think they are, is not going anywhere good.

[SafetyShattered]

I'm definitely on the reform side. It's not all bad, but there are quite a few things that need to be changed.

[andy6915]

If they really do cater to us to this extent, I'll be disappointed. I don't want to be Superman, the Pope, Alexander the Great, and Chuck Norris combined.

 

No one should have that power.. To declare entire religions away at a whim. lol

That was my point. I won't declare the Andrastian religion banned or anything of the sort. I will just declare that they can't be a militaristic superpower anymore. They will become nothing more than a religion, not their own quasi-government and nation-state in the guise of a religion like they were before the war.