Reform, but make it far more dogmatic, puritanical, less forgiving and brutal.
Centralized too, unite Thedas under it and integrate the ecclesiastical structure with the secular leadership of the many realms of Thedas.
Then we can wipe out any who oppose us.
I would reform it not dismantle.I think one thing that is important to remember is that most of Thedas follows the Chantry even if it varies fron country to country. If you try to dismantle or in some peoples cases obliterate you won't only be going against the Chantry you'll be going against a lot of regular folk as well. Plus I don't think Bioware is going to give you the power to start a holy war for shits and giggles.
Calling destroying the Chantry '***and giggles' is like calling opposing the blight 'a lark' both do equal good in the long term (opposing the chantry frankly does more, as it's evil is more insidious.)
My Dwarf will reform the Chantry so that everyone will worship the Stone and help the dwarves reclaim the lost thaigs.
I'm not going to get into a arguement with you about this because you obviously have your own opinion one that doesn't seem like it's changing anytime soon.Calling destroying the Chantry '***and giggles' is like calling opposing the blight 'a lark' both do equal good in the long term (opposing the chantry frankly does more, as it's evil is more insidious.)
I will take away as much political and military power as possible from the Chantry, as I'd like to replace it with something not tied to religion. I like that your companions/other NPCs and your own Inquisitor make the Inquisition a combination of religions and also some that seem more skeptical. I believe this is the best way and keeps down bias.
I wont destroy it completely, because I think people have a right to religion. That should just be the only purpose of the Chantry, establishments for worship and the teaching of their own faith. They don't need an army, they shouldn't be controlling mages and they shouldn't have a grip on the lyrium trade.
Burn it to the ground. Not for the Qun, not because I'm an atheist in real life(I'm not one), but because if allowed I'd destroy it.
Neither, because I'm not arrogant enough to believe I can try to force my own views on an entire continent of people and have it end well in the long run.
Neither, because I'm not arrogant enough to believe I can try to force my own views on an entire continent of people and have it end well in the long run.
it wont, but it will be a fun ride on a tidal wave of justice and vengeance until it ends.
If given such an option is given, I do not really know.
Don't fully know yet. The Chantry is definitely corrupt to all hell though, and needs major revising if kept. Even if I do though, dismantling the Chantry isn't restricting religious freedom. After all it would just be the organization itself that is gone, but the religious beliefs wouldn't just dissipate and I will have no care if most of human society stays Andrastian. The church as it was before the war would be gone, but individual churches could and would still be made. By "before the war" I mean the political power they wielded where they actually had greater authority than nation leaders when it came to some things, their rights to exalted marches, their rights to form entire armies to be able to strong-arm everyone else like they did before the war, their rights to be the ones to handle mages (I think a more secular new group or something would do much better than the Chantry's "control over mages by divine right" way of handling them)... All that needs to go.
They can make churches still, the right to believe the religion will remain. But they will not be allowed to to become a major world power anymore, they will not be allowed to have authority over nation leaders, they will not be allowed to make and mobilize their own armies anymore (this includes Templars), and they will not be in charge of mages anymore even if some other non-mage affiliated group takes that duty over. To allow any of that stuff is to cause that religion to become corrupt and overtly powerful again. Basically, there will be a real separation of church and state, and the Chantry won't have the authority or armies to try to change it back to the old system where they effectively controlled sovereign nations. They are merely a religion, and that's what they will stay as. Being a religion doesn't mean you get the be more powerful than most entire sovereign countries.
And the reason why the religion itself won't be banned? It would be impossible. You can't ban someone from their foolish beliefs, not without making yourself the oppressor. All that would do is p!ss of most of the human population and just make their religious fervor even stronger and more Evangelical. I want total and true freedom and restricting religious beliefs, no matter how nonsense I personally think they are, is not going anywhere good.
This. I do take exception with the phrase "foolish beliefs". Faith is not necessarily foolish. It's the dogma that causes all of the problem. One can hve true faith and totally reject the manmade dogma spewed by uneducated or power hungry people. I will say that most people in a highly emotional state of worship will "buy in" to whatever dogma they are given. They are not taught the difference between faith in one's God and faith in the church's dogma. Honestly, I am not sure that many people are equipped to tell the difference. So true reform would have to include the elevation of people within the church that are true pastors. People who are more interested in the spritual welfare of the people and not in secular control. Somone like Pope Francis. He is dismanteling the remnants of the church as a state and political entity and creating a church focused on spititual edification of its people. In essence we need a new divine in DA.
I don't understand why some say that dismantling the chantry would deprive people of their religious freedom... ?
Religion, faith, should be a personnal matter. I don't see why dismantling an organization that has forced its view onto people goes against religious freedom...
Some kind of Stockholm syndrome ?
You are imposing you're views on others without their consent. Activly working to dismantle the entire Chantry will lead to common people opposing you. Do you think the people of Thedas will look Kindly on the person that shuts down their local place of worship and tells them to go pray at home, that they are not allowed to gather and discuss their beliefs and faith? They'll line up to oppose you.
If you really want to change the Chantry, work with the people don't just decide the issue for them.
Well, those who want to keep these beliefs would be free to rebuild their cult as they see fit.
Then why did you bother dismanteling the Chantry, since they are just going to rebuild it? It may have a different name, but it'll likely end up being the same thing with a fresh coat of paint?
Then why did you bother dismanteling the Chantry, since they are just going to rebuild it? It may have a different name, but it'll likely end up being the same thing with a fresh coat of paint?
The Chantry does more than just serve as a place of prayer for the communities. Chantries deliver practical services to the community, caring for the sick and collecting alms for the poor. The Chantry provides hospitality to travelers and a public network of communications. Should an illiterate commoner need to send word to another town, the Chantry's educated priests write and send the letter for him.
You are imposing you're views on others without their consent. Activly working to dismantle the entire Chantry will lead to common people opposing you. Do you think the people of Thedas will look Kindly on the person that shuts down their local place of worship and tells them to go pray at home, that they are not allowed to gather and discuss their beliefs and faith? They'll line up to oppose you.
If you really want to change the Chantry, work with the people don't just decide the issue for them.
That's an double standard. The Chantry did the same things that you are accusing people of trying to do here. Bottom line is, victory is written by the victors. The Chantry won their wars before and their word became law. The same will happen if the Inquisition succeeds in destroying the Chantry (if we are truly given that option that is).
That's an double standard. The Chantry did the same things that you are accusing people of trying to do here. Bottom line is, victory is written by the victors. The Chantry won their wars before and their word became law. The same will happen if the Inquisition succeeds in destroying the Chantry (if we are truly given that option that is).
....Why would I use the same tactics of an organization whoses methods I disagree with? It's called learning from your history. Watching the Chantry and other groups impose their will on people without the consent of the governed has shown me how problamatic that is in the long run. Now, you are insisting the Inquisitor do the exact same thing 'For their own good'?
Yeah that'll end well.
Because it would be rebuilt at a smaller scale (in villages) with slight variations (different opinions) which would make it harder to gain political power as a single entity. And it would be closer to the believers, better fulfilling its role. No need for an extra-big organization...
It might start off small, but how long would that last? Are you going to put the previous Chantry leaders too death? I mean if you let them live how long before the ralley the various smaller churches into one larger organization? If you do put them to death you likely make them martyrs, and new people will rise to take their place, possible in secret, out of your sight, until the new Chantry has the same type of power and influence as the old.
Reform to treat Mages as they should be treated: Walking WMDs that must be controlled through extreme prejudice.
Mages were always disliked but thanks to the emo terrorist, Mages are now enemies of the righteous and must be crushed and indoctrinated.
Have no issues with the Chantry. They're good as long as they don't screw with the Inquisition.
Reform! Well, as long as we get to choose a few details in the reformation.
....Why would I use the same tactics of an organization whoses methods I disagree with? It's called learning from your history. Watching the Chantry and other groups impose their will on people without the consent of the governed has shown me how problamatic that is in the long run. Now, you are insisting the Inquisitor do the exact same thing 'For their own good'?
Yeah that'll end well.
You could say that if I tried to forcibly implement people to an new religion. But the truth is all I want to do is to take the Chantry away from an undeserved position of power.
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