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[LobselVith8]

As it says in the tittle. If your inquisitor has the option, do you plan to dismantle the Chantry in all aspects? Or will you try to reform what the Chantry stands for?

 

 

Do try to keep things civil.

 

It would depend on the character. I'm unlikely to play as a shemlen, while I'm not too certain how I might handle things as a Durgen’len/Dwarven or Vashoth Inquisitor, due to knowing too little about the background for each one.

 

With an elven Inquisitor, I don't think he would try to dissolve the Chantry completely. He would be more interested in removing the Chantry's prohibition against the elven religion so that elves can follow the faith of the Creators without persecution, as well as dismantling any remaining power they wield over mages. A demand for a public apology for invading the Dales because the elves refused to convert would also be on the table.

[Pallando]

....Why would I use the same tactics of an organization whoses methods I disagree with? It's called learning from your history. Watching the Chantry and other groups impose their will on people without the consent of the governed has shown me how problamatic that is in the long run. Now, you are insisting the Inquisitor do the exact same thing 'For their own good'?
 
Yeah that'll end well.
 

 
It might start off small, but how long would that last? Are you going to put the previous Chantry leaders too death? I mean if you let them live how long before the ralley the various smaller churches into one larger organization? If you do put them to death you likely make them martyrs, and new people will rise to take their place, possible in secret, out of your sight, until the new Chantry has the same type of power and influence as the old.

Depends on what they did... Corrupted individuals seeking power and exercising proselytism would be put in jail or under surveillance, or promoted as ambassadors sent to Par Vollen. Humble individuals would simply resume their life, helping their neighbours.
No, the real danger would be the Black Chantry who would need to be put down at the same time...

[Daerog]

I'll take it back to how it was in its early days. Shartan being in the Chant and magic being more cautionary than terrifying. Not sure if that is entirely considered reform, more like a return to roots? The Chantry seems fine for the most part considering Thedas, but that removal of Shartan was a poor choice.

[LobselVith8]

Until the Qunari take over, Freedom of worship is still a choice

 

Unless you're Dalish; then it's a crime.

[ParagonPunk]

 

No, but really I'd like to reform it.

[OctagonalSquare]

I'd rather just reduce its influence and secularize all the things it controls (though I guess that's esentially dismantling). The Templar Order and Circle of Magi should be independent from the Chantry. None of that Exalted March **** either.

 

Yeah, it has WAY too much power right now.

[The Baconer]

Depends on the character. My canon Inquisitor will be a total loon trying to rewrite Chantry doctrine, sometimes for the better (equal rights... for all who follow the Maker), or for the worse (mass graves for nobles and non-believers!).

[Nohvarr]

You could say that if I tried to forcibly implement people to an new religion. But the truth is all I want to do is to take the Chantry away from an undeserved position of power.

So you tell people to go home and not to come together in the name of the Maker, or work as a group to accomplish the Makers will on Thedas and you figure you are not actiing in the manner you hate the Chantry for?

 

 

 

Corrupted individuals seeking power and exercising proselytism would be put in jail or under surveillance, or promoted as ambassadors sent to Par Vollen.

 

So a person is jailed for telling other people about their religious beliefs, kept under close watch and/or exiled to a distant land....

 

I mean what evidance do you have that they are corrupt? What authority do you have to do this to them. For example, a man from Orlais holds Prayer meetings that are getting kind of large and he seems to hold some influence in his city which appears to be growing. Do you jail/watch/exile him as a pre-emptive measure, and if you do what in the world makes you think the Orlisians will just allow you to do that to one of their citizens?

 

 

 

Humble individuals would simply resume their life, helping their neighbours.

 

So, will you be posting your own interpretaions of things like Humility and Charity to make things easier to understand, like say Lord Blackthorn of Ultima fame?

 

Honesty: Thou shalt not lie, or thou shalt lose thy tongue.

Compassion: Thou shalt help those in need, or thou shalt suffer the same need.

Valor: Thou shalt fight to the death if challenged, or thou shalt be banished as a coward.

Honor: If thou dost lose thine own honor, thou shalt take thine own life.

Justice: Thou shalt confess to thy crime and suffer its just punishment, or thou shalt be put to death.

Sacrifice: Thou shalt donate half of thy income to charity, or thou shalt have no income.
Spirituality: Thou shalt enforce the laws of virtue, or thou shalt die as a heretic.

Humility: Thou shalt humble thyself to thy superiors, or thou shalt suffer their wrath.

 

[darkmanifest]

Not dismantle it, but utterly disconnect the Chantry from any control or legal influence over mages, the military, politics, and lawmaking.  Religion and the state do not mix and never should.  Aside from that, I don't care what the Chantry does so long as its power is strictly philosophical in nature.  They can continue to exist and park a building in every town and a priest on every corner shouting platitudes if they feel like it, so long as it's just ideas that they have no means to back up with state-sanctioned invasions and persecutions.  They'll have to fund themselves without any assistance from the government, so they'll rely on donations and sponsors.  If they provide sufficient local charity, though, via orphanages and food distribution, they won't have to pay taxes.

 

The Circles and templars can continue to exist as separate entities subject to government law alone.  They never should have been under the Chantry umbrella in the first place, since they serve a practical purpose to the people of Thedas, not a religious one.

[KC_Prototype]

Not all of them. Andraste religion need to die. Bigots who fear magic.

They fear magic with reason. I love mages but they have the power to burn villages and destroy cities, the Chantry should be fearful of that. But to destroy for that sole purpose seems rather hypocritical. 

[Jawzzus]

I don't know, this is one thing I can't say I'll decide one way or the other until I actually play the game.  Usually I sided more with Mages in the first two DA, but 2 really kinda made them not as innocent and run down as they seemed, and made me feel more for the templars.  Which is good, it makes the choice have more meaning, its just one decision I'm not going to go into the game predetermined on

[andy6915]

Great points andy. What would compel the mages to fight the Qunari?

With the chantry gone, the power vacuum will just likely be filled by another organisation / person with a self serving agenda.

 

Oh I don't know, maybe not letting the giants take over who like to cut mages tongues out and sew their eyes shut and stuff them in cages and force control collars onto them could be good motivation. Just a guess.

[Jawzzus]

They don't force them though, they follow the Qun and the Qun says that mages are suppose to be that way.  Plus the Qunari mage in 2 could talk once the control was broken

[Battlebloodmage]

It's fine as it is since it's a game, so they would create tension for subsequent games. If you can fix everything then the game would not be very interesting. With ME3, everything wraps up, so there wouldn't be very much tension for subsequent events to build off of. Of course, many people would want to reform the chantry for the better, but that would just make the hero into a Mary Sue. We can bring changes, but changes that end all conflicts seem to be very wish-fulfillment type of thing. It's like asking if you would want to kill Hitler, no, I would not. History happens because the flaws of mankind, so we can learn from it. There shouldn't be a hero that the world relies entirely on. If the changes were to happen, it should happen organically.

[NoForgiveness]

Idk. I definitely oppose the idea of the chantry holding power(as in armies) and controlling the mages. And the divine is definitely on my **** list(because of pharamond). But other then that I don't really feel its my place to judge others for any religious beliefs, as long as it doesn't harm others(which the chantry does at times). So I guess my answer would be reform.....?

[LostInReverie19]

Oh, I'd dismantle it completely. I've never agreed with the majority of the Chantry's teachings. I'm with Morrigan in that respect. I'm not an atheist in real life, but to me, the Chantry signifies everything that is wrong with organized religion. 

[xAmilli0n]

If I stick to my RP, most likely.

 

If I wimp out and decide to try find the best solution for everyone, maybe not.

[Pallando]

So you tell people to go home and not to come together in the name of the Maker, or work as a group to accomplish the Makers will on Thedas and you figure you are not actiing in the manner you hate the Chantry for?
 
So a person is jailed for telling other people about their religious beliefs, kept under close watch and/or exiled to a distant land....
 
I mean what evidance do you have that they are corrupt? What authority do you have to do this to them. For example, a man from Orlais holds Prayer meetings that are getting kind of large and he seems to hold some influence in his city which appears to be growing. Do you jail/watch/exile him as a pre-emptive measure, and if you do what in the world makes you think the Orlisians will just allow you to do that to one of their citizens?
 
So, will you be posting your own interpretaions of things like Humility and Charity to make things easier to understand, like say Lord Blackthorn of Ultima fame?

What I meant was that people holding power within the Chantry would be dealt with according to their crimes, if any.
Otherwise, they would just be watched. And as for "humble" I just meant "people who don't seek fame or power, even if they change the world".

Anyway, if we were given the opportunity to dismantle the Chantry, I guess it would be done the smart way...
Just like reforming it: doing it wrong could always lead back to the current situation.

Again, the way I see it, the Chantry is a powerful organization that could be seen as a religious jail. I don't see how removing it while allowing people to keep their beliefs would be against their freedom. It's like removing the prison and keeping the managers from rebuilding it the way it was to let people build whatever they want, including a small camp where the jail was.

[Mykel54]

Keep it as it is, if you remove the flaws then it is no longer interesting. I like my institutions with flaws.

[BloodyTalon]

Think its a lot like the Roman Catholic Church not gonna go away anytime soon, just change over time and have split offs. Like there are already two different chantries.

So some reforms is likely after all the original inquestion was around before the chantry so already some reforms. in it beding reformed.
 

[FireAndBlood]

As it says in the tittle. If your inquisitor has the option, do you plan to dismantle the Chantry in all aspects? Or will you try to reform what the Chantry stands for?

 

 

Do try to keep things civil.

[Killdren88]

 

Something you find funny?

[Uccio]

Take it down, with a vengeance.

[Sleepy Somnus]

Reform.

[The Elder King]

Inquisition is not about crushing the chantry.  As stated prior, it may be best for you to step back and wait to see if the game is for you if at this point you're becoming reasonably convinced that we're forcing you to do things you don't want to do.
 
I understand, you don't like the chantry and you want to destroy it.  That's not the focus of the game though. Sorry.

The game doesn't seem to have an option of crushing the Chantry.