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[mikeymoonshine]

It is an interesting idea OP but yeah, I don't think it is going to work. I bet there is allot more we could learn from the fade and about spirits though and maye Solas will provide us some insight. 

[Giubba]

Superhero? More like vigilante or terrorist. People who are hung up on justice (percieved or imagined) and hate the way the world's pace or rules work -- they become vigilantes and terrorists instead. Not superheroes. They do whatever they can to enact their right "vision" of how the world should be.

 

 Yeah vigilante is more fit, a Rorschach.

[Walrider]

Well to be honest i don't think that most of chantry members would cry because of that it seems that chantry rly don't care as long circles matter aren't in their way so well... not mention that i won't ask them for permission.

 

Besides chantry is nothing more than peoples and peoples will follow system change that what should be easy now because old system fell and mages tore veil what would be easy to tell peoples even if they didn't and they did...

 

Right. Because no one ever stands up to genocide.

[Catche Jagger]

Remember, good spirits can be corrupted by their host (Justice changing into Vengeance due to Anders). There's no way to guarantee that particularly hateful mages who bonded with spirits wouldn't simply become more dangerous.

[fiveforchaos]

Haven't some of the dev's hinted that Fenris was a mage prior to getting those lyrium tattoos? As dangerous as he is he is certainly less dangerous than a full blown mage, and he doesn't seem any more inclined to be possessed by a demon than the general populace. Plus an army of ghosty tattooed warriors would certainly be beneficial to the military. That could be a potential solution, and it's not like it's particularly reversible, Fenris implied that the removal of the tattoos would likely result in his death.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Right. Because no one ever stands up to genocide.

Well that happens all time in alienages i didn't saw objections in fact folks are eager to join

[Giubba]

Right. Because no one ever stands up to genocide.

 

Simple answer? No.

 

Yeah, fair comparison.

 

I guess all I'm saying though is I don't think that's much different than what he became with Anders. A mix of impatience (since he's a Fade spirit) and arrogance in thinking only he can enact a proper Just vision of the world. Whatever Anders did to him probably made him even more ornery though.

 

Well no he would have simply acted as his nature so he will not had the chance to pass through a fall of grace. A more believable situation is if the spirit of Justice is put in front of a such situation where he cannot build justification that fit his core concept.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Even then, they try to show that the first non-elves who help alienage people are Chantry sisters (like the CE origin) and templars. If there's any group that's going to care about genocidal acts, it's that one.

 

If they can't, then this setting is beyond fucked.

Well what that chantry sister did when nobles wanted fun? nothing (in fact i renember from somewhere it was only chantry sister that somewhat cared about elves)

Why templar was there because guy was bored and hunted demons not because he wanted help elves.

[Giubba]

You're only holding up his nature as the only factor. The world he's in is completely different. His nature barely applies. His nature runs into a brick wall. Justice doesn't work in this world like he thinks it does. That's a major step towards his downfall already.

 

He lives in a fantasy world of "justice", borrowed from dreams and children's stories and abstract concepts. And he doesn't even understand action or creating situations like a real person. He's used to just Willing conditions into shape. Reality would frustrate someone like this eventually.

 

Well the point is that as a spirit he's not complex enough for appreciate the grayness of the mortal world my opinion is that without a bond with a human the spirit in question will simply feel,see and interpreter the world using his limited nature and thus he will pass unscratched salvo in the most extreme situation.

[Giubba]

I agree on that he doesn't appreciate greyness, but that's only half the problem to me.

 

I'm more concerned that he doesn't understand the idea of "process". He just thinks of results and ideals. That's why I don't think the bomb in DA2 is totally out of character. Exploding things is totally in line with what a spirit would do. It creates instant reactions, just like he's used to in the Fade.

 

Put outside the context maybe, but put inside the context of DA2 the whole bombing scheme was too complex with ramification that reach too far in the time for a spirit alone to appreciate it fully.

[DrBlingzle]

i have best alternative it is death everyone is happy and 0 complaints.

Well other than the mages and mage sympathizes...

And if you say "that doesn't matter because they'll all be dead" that's effectively like saying "To stop complaints about homophobia we simply have to kill anyone who complains about it. Logic!"   

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well other than the mages and mage sympathizes...

And if you say "that doesn't matter because they'll all be dead" that's effectively like saying "To stop complaints about homophobia we simply have to kill anyone who complains about it. Logic!"   

How mages can complain when they are dead?

Second group is minority that with proper system can be even smaller they can't do much about that as chantry sister couldn't do with nobles or mages underground that was crushed by meredith not mention they will be nothing more than unwanted outlaws.

[Vit246]

The mages of Rivain made it work with their Seers. And I doubt they allow emotionally unstable mages to become one. Why does nobody ever consult them???

 

And stop using Anders. He was already hopelessly emotionally unstable because of his experiences under the Circle system. He could never be a suitable candidate for a symbiotic possession.

[draken-heart]

sure it could work. whether it actually happens, well, that is probably based on the willpower of the mage.

[The Qun & the Damned]

Well other than the mages and mage sympathizes...

And if you say "that doesn't matter because they'll all be dead" that's effectively like saying "To stop complaints about homophobia we simply have to kill anyone who complains about it. Logic!"   

My dear, it's TKS, don't engage it. 

[The Qun & the Damned]

The mages of Rivain made it work with their Seers. And I doubt they allow emotionally unstable mages to become one. Why does nobody ever consult them???

 

And stop using Anders. He was already hopelessly emotionally unstable because of his experiences under the Circle system. He could never be a suitable candidate for a symbiotic possession.

Pretty much. He was already crazy, he just did a good job at hiding it. Throw in the taint, a self-righteous spirit, and a city full of crazy that happens to be run by crazy, and kaboom! Disaster.

[godModeAlpha]

All the good spirits I have seen so far have killed people ... That includes Cole. Don't think spirits would work. Another issue that would need to be dealt with is how to choose the spirit? Or would we simple have all spirits in the fade queue up and give them numbers.

I don't like tranquility either, because apart from being sick, it has been proven, in asunder, that even the tranquil can become possessed.