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Poll: Did you kill or spare the Architect

Débuté par DrBlingzle , juil. 06 2014 01:54

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DrBlingzle
Posté 06 juillet 2014 - 01:54

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Pretty simple: in your "canon" playthrough did you kill or the architect in awakening or let him live?
From what I've seen most people killed him but I wanted to see some clear results on the matter.
Due to the BSN polls now being put in off topic I'm now using Survey Monkey to get results which has its good points and bad.

 

Vote here: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/GRGDSNL

 

Unfortunately due to the fact I don’t have the selected membership for Survey Monkey I can only see 100 responses. I'll publish the results every few days or when I have 100 responses.

 

Results As of 15/07/14

Killed the architect 

59.09%

Votes: 26 

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Spared the architect 

40.91%

Votes: 18

 

Please discuss respectably in the comments section :)


Modifié par DrBlingzle, 15 juillet 2014 - 03:15 .

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House Lannister
Posté 06 juillet 2014 - 02:00

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I spared him, but I deeply regret it. Sparing him I feel could cause something far worse than a blight.


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Posté 06 juillet 2014 - 02:01

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My canon Warden was an US with no Awakening PT, but in all but one of my non-canon forays into the Amaranthine mess, the Architect died. Grey Wardens kill darkspawn, even the charming talking ones. (So I voted dead. Disregard that vote if it doesn't meet your criteria. :D)


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DrBlingzle
Posté 06 juillet 2014 - 02:04

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I spared him, but I deeply regret it. Sparing him I feel could cause something far worse than a blight.

Off topic but isnt your profile picture from house Baratheon (legally speaking)  :whistle:

 

My canon Warden was an US with no Awakening PT, but in all but one of my non-canon forays into the Amaranthine mess, the Architect died. Grey Wardens kill darkspawn, even the charming talking ones. (So I voted dead. Disregard that vote if it doesn't meet your criteria. :D)

No that's fine, don't worry. Basically vote for what you think should of been done.


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caradoc2000
Posté 06 juillet 2014 - 02:06

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Killed him of course


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Althix
Posté 06 juillet 2014 - 02:06

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in the most cases, killed him.


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DrBlingzle
Posté 06 juillet 2014 - 02:08

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Personally I spared him. Whatever happens I'm fairly sure it's either going to be my Warden's greatest or worst choice ever.


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House Lannister
Posté 06 juillet 2014 - 02:19

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Off topic but isnt your profile picture from house Baratheon (legally speaking)  :whistle:

 

Tell that to my uncle father and mother.


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Althix
Posté 06 juillet 2014 - 02:20

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here is the thing. how darkspawns reproduce? that's right.

 

assuming that Architect is right about Old Gods. what's next? how darkspawn as race will behave? they are doomed to slow extinction, like the Imperium of Man. Or they will reproduce, by taking other living beings, even elves, and turning them into the darkspawn. We all know what process that is. So... yeah. i would rather not complicate things. Besides possible side effect of this decision, is that Grey Wardens will cease to be, because there would be no need in them.


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Posté 06 juillet 2014 - 03:50

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Killed him. Got no reason to let him live.


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Posté 08 juillet 2014 - 02:22

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DARKSPAWN!!! KILL, KILL, KILL, KILL, KILL, KILL!!!! KIIIIILLLLLLLL!!!!


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Posté 08 juillet 2014 - 02:27

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Spared. I doubt anyone else has a chance to get at the source of the Taint or who the Darkspawn even are. Just for story reasons alone, this interests me. Even if he fails, and it blows up in everyone's face, it still might be fun. lol. More fun than constantly killing lame darkspawn minions century after century after century.


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Posté 08 juillet 2014 - 05:17

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I could make a post about how I thought it was necessary to stop the Blights, which nearly topple civilization each time and leave unquantifiable amounts of damage each time. I could say something about the importance of, if darkspawn truly are sentient like any other race, allowing them to be free, regardless of their nature.

 

But sod that, because I'd being lying my arse off. The darkspawn are generic monsters, existing to allow the plot of Origins rather than be truly intriguing by themselves -- and then comes along this oddly charismatic (by darkspawn standards, which I'll grant you aren't that high), intelligent darkspawn with a strange mix of both well-meaning and amorality. Simply by existing, he changes what darkspawn are, and promises to alter each forever.

 

The darkspawn could taint the world, they could form an army more dangerous than ever. The Blights could be stopped forever, and a new race born. We gamble with Thedas's future, unsure of the potential ramifications that could be, of both his successes and any future failures. To put it simply: I spared him because it was interesting.


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Posté 08 juillet 2014 - 08:25

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Spared him. I thought he would help against the Mother and that I could talk to him after the battle to make the final decision. Then he was no help and the credits rolled immediately after the final cutscene. *sigh*


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Posté 08 juillet 2014 - 08:36

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Aiding the darkspawn defeats the purpose of  your whole entire journey in origins. The whole reason for so much corruption in the world is because of the darkspawn. You might as well shoot yourself in the head if you think negotiating with talking darkspawn is a good idea. It really is mindblowing to me to see people wanting peace with them.


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DrBlingzle
Posté 08 juillet 2014 - 09:37

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Aiding the darkspawn defeats the purpose of  your whole entire journey in origins.

Really? Because I thought it was to end the fifth blight. Which I totally already did.


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Posté 08 juillet 2014 - 10:40

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Aiding the darkspawn defeats the purpose of  your whole entire journey in origins. The whole reason for so much corruption in the world is because of the darkspawn. You might as well shoot yourself in the head if you think negotiating with talking darkspawn is a good idea. It really is mindblowing to me to see people wanting peace with them.

 

 

Really? Because I thought it was to end the fifth blight. Which I totally already did.

 

That's what I thought too. I thought of darkspawn were dangerous because the taint makes them mindless monsters incapable of intelligence, morality, individuality etc. They can't help seeking out or corrupting the Old Gods, which in turn can't help wanting to destroy the entire world, because they're just following what "the song" of the taint tells them.

 

Free them from being mindless monsters and giving them the chance to learn morality and individuality, allows them the chance to be just as peaceful, reclusive, and self-governing as any other race.

 

At least, that's how I see it. I must confess my city elf saw it from the perspective of she can't stand her people being negatively stereotyped and generalized by humans, and felt she would be remiss if she did it to darkspawn. She felt painting them all as "Rah! Rah! Darkspawn evil! Darkspawn dangerous! Darkspawn must die!" wasn't much better than "Elves = useless, elves = vermin, elves = thieves and troublemakers, elves must be suppressed, driven out or killed."

 

With that said, my City Elf's not stupid or a bleeding heart. She knows darkspawn are potentially dangerous, and intelligent thought can make them even more deadly than mindless monsters since they can still be evil, chaotic, destructive, and use their cunning to spread their taint in ways mindless monsters can't. That's why my character wanted to keep talking to the Architect and make a more informed decision later.

 

Neither she nor I realized the credits would roll after you kill the Mother without giving you a chance to make an informed decision then, but there's no taking it back now. Even if I did, I just don't feel fully comfortable painting all darkspawn as "EVUL MUST DIE!!!!" and exterminate every one I see because I wouldn't want it done to me and mine, especially I and mine are able to know and choose better.


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Posté 08 juillet 2014 - 11:58

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Maybe "journey" was the wrong word. It defeats the purpose of being a Grey Warden. I can understand why an elf would defend the darkspawn. Unfortunately, just like the elves, a threat to humanity must be controlled and dominated an if not must be purged. When it comes down to it, it'll always be "us against them". No matter the perspective. Why else would there be multiple origin stories & races? The magi, the dalish, the nobles, the less fortunate, and so much more. There's a reason for why everything is the way it is in Dragon Age.


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Posté 09 juillet 2014 - 12:26

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Killed him-he's a darkspawn.

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Posté 09 juillet 2014 - 05:49

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I wouldn't be surprised if the same people that sympathize and/or spare the Architect also defend Loghain. Ends justify the means, ends justify the means, over and over again for every atrocity done by either. Funny how that mentality can make it ok to be an evil bastard.


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Posté 09 juillet 2014 - 07:56

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Maybe "journey" was the wrong word. It defeats the purpose of being a Grey Warden.

Well for me being a Grey Warden was always about defending the innocents of Thedas from the blights and my warden believed that the best way to accomplish that was by making sure there are no more blights. Now if I achieve this or not is unknown to everyone (except perhaps the devs) but until we find out the result of sparing or killing the architect neither of us actually know how this is going to end.
 

Unfortunately, just like the elves, a threat to humanity must be controlled and dominated an if not must be purged.

Or the threat could be ended by instead turning them into an ally. Now whether this can be done with the darkspawn is a matter of debate but surely you agree that a living ally is better than a dead enemy.

 

When it comes down to it, it'll always be "us against them".

Wait, are you actually saying that anyone who isn't already "one of us" is a threat?

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the same people that sympathize and/or spare the Architect also defend Loghain. Ends justify the means, ends justify the means, over and over again for every atrocity done by either. Funny how that mentality can make it ok to be an evil bastard.

I agree with your assessment of the "ends justify the means" mentality being a slippery slope but technically in this situation it’s trying to work out what the end actually is.


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Posté 09 juillet 2014 - 08:07

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Can someone tell me something more about this song? I always imagined it to be like a subsonic vibration through the stone that attracted the darkspawn rather than humming. I don't know - do old god dragons snore? ;)


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Posté 09 juillet 2014 - 10:21

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I wouldn't be surprised if the same people that sympathize and/or spare the Architect also defend Loghain. Ends justify the means, ends justify the means, over and over again for every atrocity done by either. Funny how that mentality can make it ok to be an evil bastard.

 

There is an important difference.

 

Loghain has knowingly done some pretty terrible things. Executing him for his crimes therefore feels something like justice.

 

The Architect has not. Okay, the 'attack' on Vigil's Keep was a fiasco, but that can be put down to naivity on the Architect's part (if, indeed, he is telling the truth there). Beyond that, the 'Kill the Architect' crowd seem mostly to want to kill him either because of WHAT he is - a Darkspawn (something that is not his fault), or fear of what he MIGHT do in the future. That's not justice - that's bigotry and paranoia.

 

Personally, I spared him - and for reasons so beautifully put by Lavaeolus above. The Architect development is a complete game-changer, and is therefore nothing if not interesting. I do kinda worry whether this decision will have much weight further down the line since Awakenings was just an expansion game, but it damn well should: it's arguably the biggest decision we've made in the whole DA series.


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Posté 09 juillet 2014 - 10:27

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I wouldn't be surprised if the same people that sympathize and/or spare the Architect also defend Loghain. Ends justify the means, ends justify the means, over and over again for every atrocity done by either. Funny how that mentality can make it ok to be an evil bastard.

 

I wouldn't take it so seriously.

 

To me, it's mostly about potential/extra content. These ideas hold better story potential than simply killing things in my way. The story just ends there if you go that route.

 

To paraphrase Shale in the Reaver quest, if you turn down Kolgrim. "Oh fine. But you have to admit, at least this wouldn't be boring."


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Posté 09 juillet 2014 - 10:34

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Can someone tell me something more about this song?

Gangnam Style - you can only take it so many times before you go "Grr Argh!"


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