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[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Who says anything about coexistence? I want the Architect to take his darkspawn somewhere faaaar away, where they won't cause problems (it's like with those refugees in Europe these days, I won't off them on sight, but I don't need to have them in my neighborhood either  ). If they do, Wardens just put them down... maybe they'll have to actually work for it this time, but they should be able to do it. 

So, may the Maker bless and keep the darkspawn?

[Vlada47]

Yes... I also want a darkspawn companion... do it Bioware! 

[Snowdog65]

Clear choice for me: Death to the Architect.

 

Better a horde of unthinking darkspawn, than a scheming, devious horde of darkspawn.

 

Just look how the enhanced darkspawn were much more deadly in Awakening. Playing humans and Elves off against each other. Launching surprise attacks. Using bait. etc...

 

Control keep Darkspawn stupid and predictable.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Well 2 games and my decision to keep the Architect alive hasn't backfired at all. Guess all the intelligent darkspawn got high on deep mushrooms.

[JJ Likeaprayer]

Spare...yes he's the one cost all this Blight problem. But let him live equals hundreds of years of no blight,therefore innocent people can live more peacefully for the following centuries. Kill him only brings another Blight right away,and more innocent people will die.

[Qun00]

Clear choice for me: Death to the Architect.

Better a horde of unthinking darkspawn, than a scheming, devious horde of darkspawn.

Just look how the enhanced darkspawn were much more deadly in Awakening. Playing humans and Elves off against each other. Launching surprise attacks. Using bait. etc...

Control keep Darkspawn stupid and predictable.

And the Architect and his awakened darkspawn have a very different understanding of morality. They are a threat to people just the same.

I killed the Archietic... (Wonders if that will come back to haunt my Cousland) but I left Avernus alive? I strangely trust the words of a blood Mage that uses the Taint to prolong his life over a Darkspawn Magister! Don't you? And I played a 'for the greater good' Female Cousland that romanced and married Alistair.

Surprisingly, Avernus can be persuaded to change his methods. The same can't be said for the Architect.

Technically when listening to the Architect, he's pretty much done to you what you did to his people. A lot of folks view it as wrong because it's being done to the good guys, yet put yourself on his side and it's the same viewpoint
 
@Warden Cory is a different beast from Arch. Cory's wants were more ambitious whereas Arch just wanted to stop the Blights in his own way

That isn't a perfect comparison. The darkspawn have only recently become sentient. What's been done was against the unthinking and destructive majority.

[Catilina]

Spare. My mage warden interested from his point of view.

 

My warrior will kill him.

[GoldenGail3]

Surprisingly, Avernus can be persuaded to change his methods. The same can't be said for the Architect.
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Yesh, I was wondering if the Architect may come back to life..... So that I can regret it once he kidnapps my Amell/Cousland or something like that, lol.

[Artona]

My Warden grow really cynical and machiavellian during Origins, so in the Awakening he was caring only for Grey Wardens cause and he spared Architect - hoping that dividing darkspawn will weaken them, and, what's more important, that Wardens we'll be able to use or recreate Architects research. 
Pity that Justice had to die, but all for The Cause, right?

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Kill him. It is too much of a risk.

 

Darkspawn are unable to coexist with normal people, they will taint them.

 

Then there is the fact that Darkspawn require Broodmothers to reproduce. Are we going to send women off to be turned into broodmothers ?

 

There is also the mad **** that the Architect tried in The Calling.

 

Lastly, the Architect cannot be persuaded to change his methods or to take a more ethical approach, unlike Avernus.

 

So I kill him.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

 

 

Then there is the fact that Darkspawn require Broodmothers to reproduce. Are we going to send women off to be turned into broodmothers ?

The darkspawn don't actually need to reproduce, since they're apparently immortal due to the Taint. So, while the other stuff is rational, this isn't necessarily relevant. Reproduction mostly only matters to a race that needs to offset their loss to old age.

[Ghost Gal]

I thought he would help me with the Mother, so I spared him. Instead, she banished his spectral projection and I was on my own for the final fight.

 

Then he just left before I could talk to him and come up with a plan that both parties can live with.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I thought he would help me with the Mother, so I spared him. Instead, she banished his spectral projection and I was on my own for the final fight.

 

Then he just left before I could talk to him and come up with a plan that both parties can live with.

He did unlock a flame tower that you wouldn't otherwise have been able to use. (Which I normally don't use even in playthroughs where I can use it, but then again I play on Easy. It might be helpful on higher difficulties. Or it might be anti-helpful, since I don't remember how you aim it and I don't bother thinking of friendly fire.)

[Ghost Gal]

He did unlock a flame tower that you wouldn't otherwise have been able to use. (Which I normally don't use even in playthroughs where I can use it, but then again I play on Easy. It might be helpful on higher difficulties. Or it might be anti-helpful, since I don't remember how you aim it and I don't bother thinking of friendly fire.)

 

Oh yeah, those things. I forgot about them. (Thanks for all the help, dude!)

 

Oh well, I don't really regret it. I suspected he wouldn't be gone for good even if I did kill him (much like Flemeth), and

Spoiler

one of the devs' Twitter posts hinting that he is of the same nature as Corypheus (perhaps just with amnesia?), which means he could probably jump bodies with any tainted creature nearby

seems to have confirmed this.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Oh yeah, those things. I forgot about them. (Thanks for all the help, dude!)

 

Oh well, I don't really regret it. I suspected he wouldn't be gone for good even if I did kill him (much like Flemeth), and

Spoiler

one of the devs' Twitter posts hinting that he is of the same nature as Corypheus (perhaps just with amnesia?), which means he could probably jump bodies with any tainted creature nearby

seems to have confirmed this.

Spoiler

Well, Gaider said he "obviously" won't be back if you killed him, and I think Corypheus was already published at the time. And they were clearly thinking ahead to the reveal that Corypheus was alive even at the time. So maybe we're just not supposed to assume that all of that ilk have the same abilities?

[Ghost Gal]

Spoiler

Well, Gaider said he "obviously" won't be back if you killed him, and I think Corypheus was already published at the time. And they were clearly thinking ahead to the reveal that Corypheus was alive even at the time. So maybe we're just not supposed to assume that all of that ilk have the same abilities?

 

Spoiler

I don't know. 

 

I could have sworn I saw a Twitter post by a dev implying that the Architect is of the same nature as Corypheus, and Gaider said in a fairly recent interview that one story draft of DAI involved you falling off Adamant fortress and encountering the intelligent darkspawn of Awakening instead of the Fade.

 

Plus, the devs lie and change their minds all the time. Just recently on Twitter Patrick Weekes advertised an interview he did by saying, "Listen to me lie through my teeth!" because the interview had been conducted before Trespasser came out and he had to avoid spoilers.

 

I could be wrong and the Architect could be gone for good, but if he isn't I'm not gonna get mad. Between Flemeth and Corypheus having perfectly plausible story reasons to survive the PC killing them, and the authors fixing Leliana's mandatory survival by revealing that worldstates where she was murdered by the Warden but still appeared in DA2 and DAI was due to being replaced and impersonated by Fade spirit, a la Cole, I no longer feel too invested in my choices to "spare or kill" supernatural characters like the Architect. If I did kill him, he'd probably come back anyway. If he doesn't come back if you kill him and I missed out by not killing him, that's a rarity.

 

EDIT: Besides, the aforementioned interview I shared implied that the intelligent darkspawn are still out there and will turn up in a future game no matter what. Considering how dangerous and psycho some of the Architect's followers are, I'd almost rather keep him around because he at least has some scruples and discretion (he doesn't UNDERSTAND mortal morality, but he'll act honorably just the same) to reign in the violent or destructive influences of some of his followers.

[Illegitimus]

I wouldn't be surprised if the same people that sympathize and/or spare the Architect also defend Loghain. Ends justify the means, ends justify the means, over and over again for every atrocity done by either. Funny how that mentality can make it ok to be an evil bastard.

 

Oi.  While I can defend putting Loghain to use, I can't see any purpose served by sparing the Architect. 

[dgcatanisiri]

The Architect is all about science without limit - a death toll of fifty, probably seventy-five percent of all subjects is a success, even if we're talking about 'subjects' in the number of thousands. Or millions. His mad science unleashed a Blight on the world, the only bright spot being in the fact that he also ended up creating darkspawn who ended up killing each other in a civil war. But his intelligent darkspawn were still no less inherently chaotic evil, to borrow an alignment from another franchise - the darkspawn who led the attack on Vigil's Keep, the darkspawn he sent, interpreted 'I want to speak with the Warden' as 'kill everyone but the Warden.' And all he had to say about it was 'unfortunate.'

 

The Architect has never survived an Awakening run of mine, and never will.

[Midnight Bliss]

My Liandra blew his face off with a fireball without giving it a second thought.

[Inkvisiittori]

I killed him: didn't have time to listen to any more of his speeches. 

 

Weird how my companions seemed to protest if I killed him after letting him first give his little 'spare me' speech... blood magic mind control?

 

Good riddance. No matter what he says he is still just an slave to the Old Gods. No darkspawn deserves to live. 

[Qun00]

The Architect is all about science without limit - a death toll of fifty, probably seventy-five percent of all subjects is a success, even if we're talking about 'subjects' in the number of thousands. Or millions. His mad science unleashed a Blight on the world, the only bright spot being in the fact that he also ended up creating darkspawn who ended up killing each other in a civil war. But his intelligent darkspawn were still no less inherently chaotic evil, to borrow an alignment from another franchise - the darkspawn who led the attack on Vigil's Keep, the darkspawn he sent, interpreted 'I want to speak with the Warden' as 'kill everyone but the Warden.' And all he had to say about it was 'unfortunate.'

The Architect has never survived an Awakening run of mine, and never will.

Yup. Unlike Avernus who surprisingly upholds his promise to do things ethically, the Architect can't be persuaded to change his methods.

[sniper_arrow]

I killed him: didn't have time to listen to any more of his speeches. 

 

Weird how my companions seemed to protest if I killed him after letting him first give his little 'spare me' speech... blood magic mind control?

 

Good riddance. No matter what he says he is still just an slave to the Old Gods. No darkspawn deserves to live. 

 

It's more on (temporarily) stopping the Blights.

[TEWR]

The Architect is all about science without limit - a death toll of fifty, probably seventy-five percent of all subjects is a success, even if we're talking about 'subjects' in the number of thousands. Or millions. His mad science unleashed a Blight on the world, the only bright spot being in the fact that he also ended up creating darkspawn who ended up killing each other in a civil war. But his intelligent darkspawn were still no less inherently chaotic evil, to borrow an alignment from another franchise - the darkspawn who led the attack on Vigil's Keep, the darkspawn he sent, interpreted 'I want to speak with the Warden' as 'kill everyone but the Warden.' And all he had to say about it was 'unfortunate.'

 

The Architect has never survived an Awakening run of mine, and never will.

 

The Messenger says hello. He was far from chaotically evil.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Still waiting for that apocalypse all the architect killers said was going to happen if I spared him. So far, no regrets for sparing him. Better to have some friends on the darkspawn side.

[Jaison1986]

Still waiting for that apocalypse all the architect killers said was going to happen if I spared him. So far, no regrets for sparing him. Better to have some friends on the darkspawn side.

And you expect him to keep his word because...?

Just because BW didnt touched that storyline, it doesn't mean it will never come back to haunt the players. I wouldn't boast if I were you. That choice can still bite you in the Arse.