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[Gannayev of Dreams]

The Inquisitor isn't necessarily in charge of the Inquisition. It might be a core role, but that certainly doesn't mean that we're the top dog and we still have the Divine to answer to.

 

I think it was a major concern early by fans that we would have to answer to the Divine, and the Devs said that wasn't the case, that we could run things mostly to our own design.  The inability to remove certain advisers from their role will most likely have a lore-driven explanation, but I think it is more due to a gameplay restriction.  After all, they're heavily written into the plot of the game.  They can't simply be interchangeable with random characters.

[CuriousArtemis]

I definitely agree with the OP in that Cullen is a very flawed character who has made questionable choices in the past.

 

That's why he's one of my all-time favorite characters; his failures make him interesting, a complex, nuanced character who is constantly changing and growing I'm excited he's going to be our general. I'm sure he's going to make some mistakes in that role as well!

[Xilizhra]

There is already a thread about how Cullen is the worst thing ever and the company equaliant of suicde.

Be thankful that it hasn't been set up within Cullen's own fan thread.

[Ailith Tycane]

Then Meredith's Annulment of the Circle isn't evil because she feared that far more deaths would come if the mages lived.

AH!

 

Yeah, amazing right? It's like there are no black and white answers to such complicated problems, lol. 

[Ailith Tycane]

Nope. Orsino failed to take an action, whereas Meredith took a destructive action. Similarly, if Cullen just didn't participate in the Annulment but didn't do anything to stop it either, I wouldn't call it good, but still not quite evil.

 

How do you know that he didn't? He didn't work through the templars, but nothing says that he didn't try to deal with Quentin through some unofficial channel.

 

Because he outright tells you that he knew and did nothing when you side with the mages at the end of the game.

 

And doing nothing in the face of evil is just as bad as doing something evil yourself imo.  

[Xilizhra]

Yeah, amazing right? It's like there are no black and white answers to such complicated problems, lol. 

Sometimes. Other times, such as in the Annulment itself, black and white is all there is.

[Gannayev of Dreams]

Before being tortured for a few weeks, Cullen was pretty reasonable for a templar. Also an incredible creep, but reasonable. 

 

For a Templar, perhaps, though it's funny we have to qualify it like that.  Actually that is part of the problem, at least depending on your perspective.  From my own, I don't see the Templars as being at all reasonable to begin with.  Their solution is like a lazily applied band-aid.  It makes people feel better but is a proven failure to anyone that pays attention.

 

The best real-world analogue I can think of is America's "War on Drugs".

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Well, there is this thing we have in Dragon Age games. It is called the Murder Knife. Very useful tool, the Murder Knife. 

 

Alternatively, we could always use a special Wyvern bait or High Dragon bait or Demon bait. I am pretty sure a human in heavy armor is very appealing as bait. Lots of irons and protein and whatnot. 

 

Additionally, we could use a real-life target practice to hone our skills in Skyhold. Especially those with Necromancer specialization and Artificier specialization. Need bodies to test spells and traps on.

 

So we do not have to worry about Cullen slipping into his old ways. We can deal with him just fine. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Cullen's actions in DA2 are difficult to accept, but a lot of our companions (and now advisors) have done horrible things in the past and wish to make things right in their own way. I hope we'll see redemption for Cullen after he had a bit of a downward spiral mid-game in Origins. I think Cullen is a good person at heart and I think he's the sort of person that can admit when he's wrong and do what needs to be done to correct the situation. At the end of DA2, he realized he was wrong and he was willing to fight to correct that mistake to the best he could. He admitted his mistake in calling for the death of all the Ferelden mages. I hope we'll get a more moderate Cullen in DA:I that fully realizes the mistakes he made before and acts to correct them with the Inquisition. If he was just an easily lead fanatic, we'd be more likely to see him as a red templar behemoth than our military leader, I imagine.

[Pierce Miller]

Quentin was a serial killer. Covering for a serial killer is pretty morally repugnant, regardless of his worry about a crackdown. And we know he was active for some time at the start of Act 1 where, while Kirkwall was far harsher than other Circles, it did not quite reach the level of human rights abuse in Act 3. 

You say serial killer, I say visionary.

[Gannayev of Dreams]

I guess at the end of the day, regardless of who he is or what he has done... as long as he obeys we'll get along.

[Lucijenifer]

You say serial killer, I say visionary.

 

At risk of losing a few brain cells, I have to ask.

 

How on Earth was he a visionary?

[MisterJB]

Nope. Orsino failed to take an action, whereas Meredith took a destructive action. Similarly, if Cullen just didn't participate in the Annulment but didn't do anything to stop it either, I wouldn't call it good, but still not quite evil.

Look at you, changing the rules as you go along, jumping from excuse to excuse.

First it's "Orsino wasn't evil because he tought it would save lives" but when others apply that logic to Templars, it's suddenly "Orsino wasn't evil because he failed to take an action."

[MisterJB]

Why don't we ask the good forumites here reunited?

If a man knows there is a serial killer on the loose and who is killing women and sewing their corpses thogether and he fails to report this to the authorities, is he not evil as well?

[Xilizhra]

Look at you, changing the rules as you go along, jumping from excuse to excuse.

First it's "Orsino wasn't evil because he tought it would save lives" but when others apply that logic to Templars, it's suddenly "Orsino wasn't evil because he failed to take an action."

Actually, I would consider both components necessary.

 

I will say that it could have been handled better. For instance, contacting Hawke or the mage underground. He did err in the way he handled it.

[Gannayev of Dreams]

Why don't we ask the good forumites here reunited?

If a man knows there is a serial killer on the loose and who is killing women and sewing their corpses thogether and he fails to report this to the authorities, is he not evil as well?

 

That would depend on the nature of his 'failure', did he have the ability to report it but not the motivation?  Vice versa?

[Tarek]

once he sleeps with my male mage he will be a reformed man

[Mistic]

Why don't we ask the good forumites here reunited?

If a man knows there is a serial killer on the loose and who is killing women and sewing their corpses thogether and he fails to report this to the authorities, is he not evil as well?

 

No, no, that wouldn't be evil. To be evil that person should have done something more, I don't know, like providing the serial killer with books at his request, or writing a letter to encourage him and ask for more information about his progress... Oh, wait

[Xilizhra]

No, no, that wouldn't be evil. To be evil that person should have done something more, I don't know, like providing the serial killer with books at his request, or writing a letter to encourage him and ask for more information about his progress... Oh, wait

Note that Orsino did all that before he started killing.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I think "evil" is a silly word, but I think what Orsino did was wrong and I don't fully understand his motivations as they're presented in DA2. Of course, I think the majority of people in DA2 were howling at the moon and the story itself gives you layers of reasons why it's an environmental risk of the locale.    

[Tremere]

As I see it, there's is nothing about Cullen that is compelling enough to justify him being in such a role. He may be a good person at his core, but that doesn't justify "a place at the table." I suppose it's just a case of having to suspend disbelief... Sort of like Mage Hawke walking around Kirkwall and never being arrested or even called in for questioning... After helping Cullen fight off demons.   I suppose you could call that gratitude. 

[Reznore57]

Well Cullen role in DA2 wasn't so great .Not sure it's 100% the character's fault because the plot sometimes pushed him to be a bit stupid.

He has a hard time figuring out Hawke or his /her friends are apostates.

Meredith , for me , also suffered from the whole not doing anything.

I couldn't take her seriously at the end of the game , because I couldn't really see how her work was improving anything.

 

I mean the templars get turned into demons , Cullen is working on it , but in some case a mage Hawke solves the problem just to be told afterward "Mages are not to be trusted"....

Then we kill the Templar with the whole "Tranquil solution" who's about to turn a poor girl tranquil and imply he may turn her into some kind of sex toy.

If you talk with Cullen Afterward , he vaguely says well maybe the tranquil solution has some merits.

 

There's also the fact there's templars and mages banding together to rebel against Meredith before she goes full crazy.So some templars were aware Meredith wasn't doing her duty way before Cullen realise it.

 

I think the main good thing Cullen is able to pull out is telling Hawke , Meredith wants to fire Aveline.

 

On the bright side , everyone looks incompetent! Cullen , Meredith , The Grand Cleric , The Seekers ,Leliana , The Divine!

But for Inquisition  they will notice the big hole in the sky and demons pouring out and it won't take them ten years to figure out there's a problem.

[Joe25]

Cullen is a nice guy, but it is going to be fun to see how he acts because of my main canon. I have been pro Mage in both DA games, and Cullen comes from a very pro Templar background. I am just hoping that if I am going to be pro Mage in DAI that Cullen will be both supportive and objective about my choices. I know he went a little crazy if you sided with the mages in DAO. But, I never held it against him once I saw how reformed he was in DA2. With, the training he got in DA2 I hope that he can at least be objective if things don't go his way. I must admit to Cullen was not first choice for this branch of the Inquisition. I would have like to have like someone new, or anyother warrior counting Oghren. But, I will play the cards I am given, and Cullen is not the worst card I could have got.            

[frylock23]

To me, Cullen strikes me as someone who got burned badly by mages early on during what happened to the Tower in DAO. So, he comes out of that experience with a less than happy view of mages in general. Then he gets sent to Kirkwall with a new dedication to his duties as a Templar and less than savory view of mages ... It's hard for someone like that to start to have their scales tipped back the other way no matter what the situation is. In the end, Cullen winds up potentially burned as badly by Meredith and the revelations about how bad she really was as he was by the Mages in Ferelden.

 

It's possible that the two incidents forced him to a new, more balanced perspective again.

 

I'll have to see.

[Lucidae]

Too lazy to catch up on whole thread....

He trusted Meredith because she was his superior. If you guys don't remember she was actually pretty reasonable in act 1. She rejected the tranquil idea. Once she got her hands on the red lyrium idol and made it her weapon her mental stability went downhill and she became a paranoid power hungry crazy person at the end of it all.

Cullen I think was also distrustful of mages after the tragedy at the circle. He was mentally broken there and needed to recover. In the final moments he did choose to reject what Meredith was trying to push on him and he didn't want her to enact the Rite of Annullment.

I think Cullen is being given too much of a hard time by questionable DA fans.