Why don't we ask the good forumites here reunited?
If a man knows there is a serial killer on the loose and who is killing women and sewing their corpses thogether and he fails to report this to the authorities, is he not evil as well?
Oh no I aint touching this with a 10 ft pole.
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Well Cullen role in DA2 wasn't so great .Not sure it's 100% the character's fault because the plot sometimes pushed him to be a bit stupid.
He has a hard time figuring out Hawke or his /her friends are apostates.
Meredith , for me , also suffered from the whole not doing anything.
I couldn't take her seriously at the end of the game , because I couldn't really see how her work was improving anything.
I mean the templars get turned into demons , Cullen is working on it , but in some case a mage Hawke solves the problem just to be told afterward "Mages are not to be trusted"....
Then we kill the Templar with the whole "Tranquil solution" who's about to turn a poor girl tranquil and imply he may turn her into some kind of sex toy.
If you talk with Cullen Afterward , he vaguely says well maybe the tranquil solution has some merits.
There's also the fact there's templars and mages banding together to rebel against Meredith before she goes full crazy.So some templars were aware Meredith wasn't doing her duty way before Cullen realise it.
I think the main good thing Cullen is able to pull out is telling Hawke , Meredith wants to fire Aveline.
On the bright side , everyone looks incompetent! Cullen , Meredith , The Grand Cleric , The Seekers ,Leliana , The Divine!
But for Inquisition they will notice the big hole in the sky and demons pouring out and it won't take them ten years to figure out there's a problem.
I think Cullen is being given too much of a hard time by questionable DA fans.
Define "questionable" in this situation?
He may be different now. He may be respectable, of sound morality, and a good asset. But is this change permanent? Or is it merely rhetorical of the situation around him? Who is to say in peace time he won't sink back into his old ways?
It's hard to say at this point. Considering Cullen calls Oghren and the Qunari 'heathens', will he have an issue with a Dwarven protagonist, or a Vashoth who only shares the same race as the qunari? Will Cullen have an issue with a mage wielding power over an entire army that will expand across two nations, and gaining political authority? Perhaps he changed for the better, and these issues won't even arise because he isn't the same man who served Meredith for almost a decade. Hard to say.
Cullen is a nice guy, but it is going to be fun to see how he acts because of my main canon. I have been pro Mage in both DA games, and Cullen comes from a very pro Templar background. I am just hoping that if I am going to be pro Mage in DAI that Cullen will be both supportive and objective about my choices.
Wouldn't that be rather boring -- if all three advisors bowed down and supported your decisions no matter what? What if you say you want to go into a situation with guns blazing (so to speak); of course Leliana is very likely to object, and perhaps both she and Cullen will be concerned about the possibility of wasting innocent lives. But ultimately maybe your plan is the best plan in terms of cold, hard victory, so you go for it.
Isn't that scene more interesting that Cullen and Leliana both just bowing their heads and saying, "As you command, Lord Inquisitor" ?
Considering Cullen calls Oghren and the Qunari 'heathens', will he have an issue with a Dwarven protagonist, or a Vashoth who only shares the same race as the qunari? Will Cullen have an issue with a mage wielding power over an entire army that will expand across two nations, and gaining political authority?
I kind of hope so! If he falls in step with nary a complaint I think I'll find the character rather boring... and be deeply disappointed, because Cullen's never been boring. He's always had strong opinions, followed by moments of doubt, followed by more strong opinions 
Wouldn't that be rather boring -- if all three advisors bowed down and supported your decisions no matter what? What if you say you want to go into a situation with guns blazing (so to speak); of course Leliana is very likely to object, and perhaps both she and Cullen will be concerned about the possibility of wasting innocent lives. But ultimately maybe your plan is the best plan in terms of cold, hard victory, so you go for it.
Isn't that scene more interesting that Cullen and Leliana both just bowing their heads and saying, "As you command, Lord Inquisitor" ?
They probably act just like that , though.
Cullen , Leliana , and Scribbles probably won't have any major breaking points like most of our companions.
Maybe they'll moan a bit , but they will do what they are told .
Because I can't imagine putting a player in a situation where you can loose a big part of gameplay because you disagree with one of your generals.
Possible they will try to kill you at the end , when the breach is closed. 
They probably act just like that , though.
Cullen , Leliana , and Scribbles probably won't have any major breaking points like most of our companions.
Maybe they'll moan a bit , but they will do what they are told .
Because I can't imagine putting a player in a situation where you can loose a big part of gameplay because you disagree with one of your generals.
Possible they will try to kill you at the end , when the breach is closed.
LOL The inquisitor gets what's coming to him/her!
Nah I don't mean they should yell at the inquisitor and go off in a huff, never to be heard from again. But I want some argument scenes around the big table, with Leliana, Cullen, and Scribbles all trying to make their point, similar to Shepard and his/her various allies in ME3 in the War Room.
LOL The inquisitor gets what's coming to him/her!
Nah I don't mean they should yell at the inquisitor and go off in a huff, never to be heard from again. But I want some argument scenes around the big table, with Leliana, Cullen, and Scribbles all trying to make their point, similar to Shepard and his/her various allies in ME3 in the War Room.
Oh I think there's going to be some arguments between the three and the Inquisitor.
Who knows possible if the Inquisitor goes too far , there's some script event where Cassandra , Cullen , Leliana and Scribbles needs to have a talk with your pc.
But I think the companions are going to be well...more vocal and ready to abandon you or fight with each others ...
I mean Sera doesn't talk to Cole and call him "IT".
Don't think our advisors are going to do that type of things.^^
At risk of losing a few brain cells, I have to ask.
How on Earth was he a visionary?
You have to admit his research was incredibly powerful stuff.
I don't really know what to think of Cullen. On one hand, his epilogues in Origins were detestable. He either becomes homicidally deranged or unforgivingly strict. On the other hand, he eventually becomes independent of Meredith and has demonstrated the ability to see the bigger picture. From what I've observed through all of his appearances so far and what I've heard from his writer in Inquisition, it seems that he has the capacity for character development. As it is, I feel that it would only be fair to give him a chance to prove himself and seek out his advice accordingly.
It's good to remember that his epilogue information was sort of retconned as rumors. So they are no longer part of his back story, His role in DA2 proves this. While he did become more fearful and mistrustful of mages he never became Knight Commander of Ferelden or some crazy mage killer.
It's good to remember that his epilogue information was sort of retconned as rumors. So they are no longer part of his back story, His role in DA2 proves this. While he did become more fearful and mistrustful of mages he never became Knight Commander of Ferelden or some crazy mage killer.
My mistake, I should've made it clearer that his epilogues would've reflected possible futures for him had they not been retconned.
Oh don't worry about it. Not everyone knows that it was so i thought it was worth bringing up for anyone who didn't. It can be easy to judge him on them but it's not really fair to now that they are apparently untrue.
That said he's still a very morally grey character. I do hope he has evolved in a positive way or at least has the potential to, i'm not saying he should be pro mage freedom but he could be a little more accepting.
I tend to agree with raizer for this discussion. Since I first met him in origins I never really trusted the guy, even though I did support him then, I went with the mages in DA:2. He seems to be better than Meredith in terms of policy, but the guy just never really gave off a "trusting" vibe while I played through the series.
I bet he's going to be quite different than from the previous games since he has been given a much bigger role, even being featured as one of the main characters.
But I have suspicions that he might his own agenda in with the inquisitions, but that may change and so will my opinions.
As the player, I'll know what he is and I feel for him. He seemed pretty balanced as far as his duties go in DAO until the Uldred's coupe and thus he became anti-mage and took solace in the Templar order. In DA2, he received another shock in seeing that the Templar order could be just as bad as well. I think he is pretty lost after DA2 and in DAI, the Inquisition could give him new purpose and perspective.
It's hard to say at this point. Considering Cullen calls Oghren and the Qunari 'heathens', will he have an issue with a Dwarven protagonist, or a Vashoth who only shares the same race as the qunari? Will Cullen have an issue with a mage wielding power over an entire army that will expand across two nations, and gaining political authority? Perhaps he changed for the better, and these issues won't even arise because he isn't the same man who served Meredith for almost a decade. Hard to say.
Actually, I would consider both components necessary.
I will say that it could have been handled better. For instance, contacting Hawke or the mage underground. He did err in the way he handled it.
At least IRL (and depending on your country/jurisdiction), Orisino is arguably an accessory to Quentin's murders, if not a co-conspirator (the basis for that argument has to be in his profit from the research, and his tacit support of it).
But don't be too quick to forget: He was the second in command of Kirkwall's Templars for a long time. He had power, pull, and position. And assets. Yet he turned a blind eye to Meredith's atrocities for a while. In fact, when people accused the Templars of their wrong-doings, he defended them.
Then Meredith's Annulment of the Circle isn't evil because she feared that far more deaths would come if the mages lived.
AH!
Meredith's attempted Annulment of the Circle is evil because she wanted to murder all the mages in Kirkwall because of what Anders did.... but Anders wasn't even a Circle mage! She was going to murder them all for something they didn't even do.
Also her Annulment was completely illegal the only person who can order an Annulment is the Divine. So in regards to Cullen if he was worth anything at all he would have placed her under arrest or at the very least not taken part in the unlawful killing of hundreds of people.
I just find Cullen to be too much of a follower.
Even his motives, morals, and values are all easily manipulable. This is evident in Dragon Age 2, when Hawke (having basically just met Cullen) can easily convince Cullen to change his points of view when it comes to punishing mages more, or less. This occurs for the first time right after you clean out the cave of the Starkhaven blood mages,
Being a follower and an order taker could mean that he will be pretty loyal in Inquisition, or it could backfire.
If we start doing things Cullen doesn't feel too strongly about, or if we don't exhibit a strong leadership presence, who is to say that some other influential person can't influence Cullen to yet again change his values and loyalty?
I just find Cullen to be too much of a follower.
If we start doing things Cullen doesn't feel too strongly about, or if we don't exhibit a strong leadership presence, who is to say that some other influential person can't influence Cullen to yet again change his values and loyalty?
Arf, My Inquisitor may have to sleep with Cullen afterall...Just to show Cassandra who's the boss.
Arf, My Inquisitor may have to sleep with Cullen afterall...Just to show Cassandra who's the boss.
Pretty sure Cullen is the only romanceable adviser, but I could be wrong. Not sure if Bioware mentioned that. I think I heard Leliana isn't romanceable, which really sucks, because I've grown attached to her!
She reminds me so much of Liara from Mass Effect. (SPOILERS) Both of them start off as "innocent" and playful, but they evolve into capable, mature, leadership figures in the espionage world. Each forged with the change from war, and each with an awesome, unique story to tell.
The fact that Cullen is likely the only romanceable adviser though is interesting. I wonder why that is...
He may be different now. He may be respectable, of sound morality, and a good asset. But is this change permanent? Or is it merely rhetorical of the situation around him? Who is to say in peace time he won't sink back into his old ways?
Aren't all these questions the primary reason why it's worth bringing him back as a character? That's largely why I originally advocated for him as someone who might be interesting to see again.
That, and I don't think we've seen anyone in Thedas yet who had some kind of *unified* idea of morality. Heck, most of the people I meet in real life don't have a coherent non-contradictory philosophical outlook.
It's also possible that Cullen was afraid that if he DID contact the Divine, she'd order an Exalted March on Kirkwall. Leliana showed up in town looking for evidence of whether to call for one, after all. Better Meredith be over-zealous in her actions than the Divine raze the place to the ground.
Gaider did admit to Cullen as being oblivious in DA2 xD
But he definitely wasn't the only one like you said lol.
Although Cullen was, I think, the ONLY TEMPLAR IN THE ENTIRE GAME who was like "ZOMG YOU'RE A MAGE!" after he saw you casting spells in front of him. Of course, then he was like "And I'm totally cool with that."
Perhaps he's had a bit too much lyrium and it's making him erratic.
Pretty sure Cullen is the only romanceable adviser, but I could be wrong. Not sure if Bioware mentioned that. I think I heard Leliana isn't romanceable, which really sucks, because I've grown attached to her!
She reminds me so much of Liara from Mass Effect. (SPOILERS) Both of them start off as "innocent" and playful, but they evolve into capable, mature, leadership figures in the espionage world. Each forged with the change from war, and each with an awesome, unique story to tell.
The fact that Cullen is likely the only romanceable adviser though is interesting. I wonder why that is...
I was mostly joking. 
I think it's possible Scribbles is going to be a romance.
And yeah Leliana is not a romance option.
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