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[mikeymoonshine]

Orsino was never supposed to have been a boss if you sided with the mages; it was rather crudely forced in.

 

Yeah, wasn't it because you fight Meredith whatever so they wanted to make it equal for both sides? 

[X Equestris]

The Inquisitor isn't necessarily in charge of the Inquisition. It might be a core role, but that certainly doesn't mean that we're the top dog and we still have the Divine to answer to.

Actually, it's been stated that the explosion that causes the Breach kills the upper echelons of the Chantry, since they were there for the peace conference. I imagine that means that the Divine is dead.

As for Cullen being the military advisor, I think he is an adequate person for the job. After all, you're the Inquisitor, so you can still make the final decision.

[mikeymoonshine]

Actually, it's been stated that the explosion that causes the Breach kills the upper echelons of the Chantry, since they were there for the peace conference. I imagine that means that the Divine is dead.

As for Cullen being the military advisor, I think he is an adequate person for the job. After all, you're the Inquisitor, so you can still make the final decision.

 

Yeah, seeing as they said we can oppose the Chantry and that we are the leader of the Inquisition it would make no sense for us to be answering to Justinia. 

 

I think our PC's special snowflake powers and their reputation as some kind of prophet will make him/her pretty much unreplaceable as leader so the Chantry lovers in the Inquisition will just have to put up with the Inquisitors views if he/she is anti Chantry. 

[Lucidae]

Define "questionable" in this situation?

As in people inquiring (oh hoho puns) about him and being highly skeptical.

Sorry, wasn't my best use of vernacular there.

[Lucidae]

Orsino didn't actually practice anything forbidden until the end; his only crime was trying to prevent the Annulment. Including his hiding Quentin.

This is not true. Orsino actually worked with the serial killer who killed Hawke's mom. That serial killer was killing people for at least 3 years while Orsino took reports from him and his findings. He was a long time blood Mage before the Annullment.

[SgtSteel91]

This is not true. Orsino actually worked with the serial killer who killed Hawke's mom. That serial killer was killing people for at least 3 years while Orsino took reports from him and his findings. He was a long time blood Mage before the Annullment.

 

But did Orsino know that Quinten was killing women? Maybe Orsino thought the guy was working on dead corpses in his nercromancy research.

[Lucidae]

But did Orsino know that Quinten was killing women? Maybe Orsino thought the guy was working on dead corpses in his nercromancy research.

Yes he did. After you kill Quentin you can find a note that is thanking him for all of his reports on his work and it is signed by"O." I also think he says to keep going and to keep reporting. Considering Quentin was fusing dead limbs and reanimating them, I personally see it as something that is similar to what Orsino did to become the Harvester. Orsino was a shady @&$#.

[SgtSteel91]

Yes he did. After you kill Quentin you can find a note that is thanking him for all of his reports on his work and it is signed by"O." I also think he says to keep going and to keep reporting. Considering Quentin was fusing dead limbs and reanimating them, I personally see it as something that is similar to what Orsino did to become the Harvester. Orsino was a shady @&$#.

 

But does he know Quentin was killing women as part of his research but was alright with that and still let him continue? Like I said, mabye Orsino thought Quentin was using dead bodies in a crypt and not murdering women up until he found out Quentin was a serial killer.

[Lucidae]

But does he know Quentin was killing women as part of his research but was alright with that and still let him continue? Like I said, mabye Orsino thought Quentin was using dead bodies in a crypt and not murdering women up until he found out Quentin was a serial killer.

I just did some looking around to confirm and the answer seems dependent on your play through. He always acknowledges that he knew about Quentin's research but only in a specific situation say he didn't know how loony Quentin had gotten until it was too late. But I'd call lying on that since Quentin was killing people for years. His staff is also called the Staff of Violation and is the same design of dragon statues in a blood Mage hideout in DAO....

[displayname]

Yes he did. After you kill Quentin you can find a note that is thanking him for all of his reports on his work and it is signed by"O." I also think he says to keep going and to keep reporting. Considering Quentin was fusing dead limbs and reanimating them, I personally see it as something that is similar to what Orsino did to become the Harvester. Orsino was a shady @&$#.

Orsino did in fact know what Quentin was doing and supported it. Every Mage in Kirkwall uses the excuses of the Templars as justification for what they do, but at the end if the day they do it for no other reason then their own power hunger and greed, or selfishness. The simple fact that Orsino hid Blood Magic from the Templars is the exact same reason Knight captain Cullen allows Keran to stay as a Templar if you say Keran is fine, but still enforces that mages are a risk.

Cullen is based and a proper leader for the Inquisition.

Also, even Cullen recognizes that all mages should be bound and gagged like dogs.

[Who Knows]

I don't trust Cullen's compass either, good thing he's the inquisitor's subordinate.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It's hard to get a clear timeline but I think Orsino found out about him killing women sometime after he initially supported him, and afterward kept his existence hidden from the templars, mainly to save his own hide.

[TheKomandorShepard]

It's hard to get a clear timeline but I think Orsino found out about him killing women sometime after he initially supported him, and afterward kept his existence hidden from the templars, mainly to save his own hide.

In the letter he knews about quentin research so well i doubt orsino was nice and fine.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

He knew about the premise of the research. But does it say he knew that Quinten was going out and murdering all those women?

 

I don't think he's an innocent party, but I also doubt he was a proponent of kidnapping women and hacking the to pieces.

[TheKomandorShepard]

He knew about the premise of the research. But does it say he knew that Quinten was going out and murdering all those women?

 

I don't think he's an innocent party, but I also doubt he was a proponent of kidnapping women and hacking the to pieces.

Well we know what quentin was doing so orisno might don't know about women but pretty much for sure he knew what he was doing to others.

So orsino might don't know who is one on the table but knew that someone is.

[Lucidae]

I already answered the question about murdering the women above :/ did some research.

[Panda]

Cullen's moral compass has changed during DAO and DA2 based on what he has encountered in his life. I'd say he was searching himself and struggling between morality of following orders and being compassionate in DA2. From the interview and his character description it seems like he has find more of way he wants to go between games but isn't exactly sure of it yet. Of cource you can see this as shaky moral compass since I think that is what it has been. Having his morals even clouded with PTSD has contributed too.

 

I think that in DA2 Cullen was afraid of going against Meredith sooner. He probaply didn't trust his judgement and morals. He had been quite soft with mages in DAO before Broken Circle and probaply Ferelden's tower being softer to mages was the reason why tragedy happened. Meredith had much stricter approach that he probaply though was needed although I'd think it didn't felt as nice. He seemed to be worried about Meredith but I think these are the reasons why he didn't act against him. And loyalty as well, ratting your boss out isn't easy or often even wanted thing to do.

 

I like this new Cullen that has seemed to be emerged from ruins of Kirkwall. He seems to be lot more confident and trusting in his own judgement. But in DA2 I think he was always willing to listen as well and willing to compromise which is in my opinion good qualities for leader and advisor. I'd see him being leader who both follows Inquisition but still knows where he stands and isn't afraid to say his opinion and this time also act according to it when needed. This is at least what I want to see from him in DAI.

[LOLandStuff]

Cullen in DA:O was sympathetic to the mages until almost everyone went nuts in the tower and tortured him for who knows how long. Then he was all pro-templar in DAII who wanted to lock up all mages until things in Kirkwall went just as nuts and Meredith totally lost it.

 

I'd say he just had enough of both groups and wants to do what's right.

[Basement Cat]

Cullen in DA:O was sympathetic to the mages until almost everyone went nuts in the tower and tortured him for who knows how long. Then he was all pro-templar in DAII who wanted to lock up all mages until things in Kirkwall went just as nuts and Meredith totally lost it.

 

I'd say he just had enough of both groups and wants to do what's right.

Basically, 'I'll work with anyone who isn't a total nutcase' is his philosophy. Rather wise, considering the average sanity levels encountered in Thedas...

[Tremere]

He did it because DA2's writing is horrible that's why.

Well, they certainly leave a lot of holes that are open to interpretation. An effective strategy that keeps their games on people's minds long after their production date and always leading up to the next incarnation. I introduce this thread and these forums as evidence. I have to admit that some things boggle the mind until/unless you decide to buy into the notion that it's all a product of creative license and that they're simply pandering to the player's imagination. Again, an effective, perhaps genius strategy.

 

*laughs* Hell... My hypothesis alone is evidence of how effective that strategy is. This is how conspiracy theorists are born.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Cullen in DA:O was sympathetic to the mages until almost everyone went nuts in the tower and tortured him for who knows how long. Then he was all pro-templar in DAII who wanted to lock up all mages until things in Kirkwall went just as nuts and Meredith totally lost it.

 

I'd say he just had enough of both groups and wants to do what's right.

 

Pretty much. I think he will probably sit on the fence when it comes to Mages/Templars. He is going to be more concerned over closing the breaches and making sure the soldiers of the Inquisition have had optimal training over spouting his religious views and opinions on Mages at us constantly -- that's not to say that it won't come up from time to time but we are going to get that with all of the NPC's.   

[Danny Boy 7]

The idea was (I think) that he was driven to such desperation by the massacre of his fellow mages that he no longer cared about living, or surviving. He just wanted to see a mound of dead templars, and believed this spell would get him there. 

 

It makes no sense when siding with the mages since you just triumphantly saved some lives, but apparently Bioware was directed to have a boss fight. 

I always took it as the mages were "winning" for all that meant, but that even though they'd slaughtered hundreds of Templars with Hawke's help that really all they were doing was pulling a 300. Ultimately the Mage Ending was Hawke saving maybe a fifty or so mages, but it was always a losing battle.

 

So Orsino losing hope as each mage died ultimately tries to take the Templars out and it backfires and targets everyone even his allies and the other mages like Alain and Hawke.

[caradoc2000]

He may be different now.  He may be respectable, of sound morality, and a good asset.

Thanks, I needed a good laugh to start the morning.