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[Drasanil]

If what I wrote isn't an option in dialogue, then everything I have complained about is valid and you and others saying I can still make the Elf I want was a lie. 

 

Well, look at it this way. In either scenario you're still being a whinny prat. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, look at it this way. In either scenario you're still being a whinny prat. 

There is nothing whiny about expressing one's disapproval of something in a game on said game's official forum when the complaint are valid ones. And limiting roleplaying options in an RPG is a valid complaint. 

[LOLandStuff]

My Dalish Inquisitor couldn't leave when they wanted. Heck, they were forced to get Vallaslin. 

 

A good reason to roleplay a Dalish who wants to move on instead of squating in possibly fabricated stories of old.

[Drasanil]

There is nothing whiny about expressing one's disapproval of something in a game on said game's official forum when the complaint are valid ones. And limiting roleplaying options in an RPG is a valid complaint. 

 

When you go on ad nauseum about it unprovoked in random threads all over the place like you do, with no other purpose than to complain with out ever contributing, it most certainly does cross the line into being a whinny prat. 

 

Get over it already. Or failing that, at least wait till you've played the game and have something specific to complain about and which can be addressed.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

A good reason to roleplay a Dalish who wants to move on instead of squating in possibly fabricated stories of old.

That's the plan hopefully. 

 

When you go on ad nauseum about it unprovoked in random threads all over the place like you do, with no other purpose than to complain with out ever contributing, it most certainly does cross the line into being a whinny prat. 

 

Get over it already. Or failing that, at least wait till you've played the game and have something specific to complain about and which can be addressed.

My post was not unprovoked. Lob said that any Dalish can leave the clan when they want. Player Characters like the Warden and Inquisitor are counterpoints to that assertion since regardless of views, they were with the clan until the events of the game. 

Do I have personal opinions on the matter? Of course I do. I'll be the first to admit. Doesn't make the point any less objective. 

[myahele]

Dalish creation myth kinda reminds me of greek creation story

[Steelcan]

If what I wrote isn't an option in dialogue, then everything I have complained about is valid and the people saying I can still make the Elf I want was a lie. 

"You can absolutely roleplay an anti-alliance Shepard"

[Jedi Master of Orion]

That's the plan hopefully. 

 

My post was not unprovoked. Lob said that any Dalish can leave the clan when they want. Player Characters like the Warden and Inquisitor are counterpoints to that assertion since regardless of views, they were with the clan until the events of the game. 

Do I have personal opinions on the matter? Of course I do. I'll be the first to admit. Doesn't make the point any less objective. 

 

What he's talking about is totally different from what you are talking about. He's talking about whether the Dalish themselves let people leave. You are talking about whether the game lets you roleplay the character you want. If you had a Dalish Warden who didn't leave the clan, it was because they didn't want to, not because they didn't let you.

[BlueMagitek]

What he's talking about is totally different from what you are talking about. He's talking about whether the Dalish themselves let people leave. You are talking about whether the game lets you roleplay the character you want. If you had a Dalish Warden who didn't leave the clan, it was because they didn't want to, not because they didn't let you.

 

 

I imagine it, like all things Dalish, depends on the clan.  Zevran's mother left the clan permanently, Dreamer Kid's mother left her clan, and sort of rejoined one.

[Dean_the_Young]

 

I decided to return from my sabbatical to address some points that were previously made.

 

You necro'd a two-month old thread so that you wouldn't end without the last word?

 

 

Dude, that's just pathetic.

[StrangeStrategy]

I'm taking grade 12 History right now so I can chime in a little.

Like the game of telephone, passing down stories from generation to generation, the story is bound to change. Its not likely that elves lived in a paradise where everything was perfect and when the humans came everything became terrible; Blame humans.

Behind every story, there is a grain of truth. The great flood in the bible: That (probably) didn't happen, but the ice age changed the water levels so much it created land bridges pretty much everywhere, and when the water levels rose again they disappeared. Just like a giant world-wide flood.

For the Dalish, their stories aren't recorded anywhere. They haven't found a history book or some Rosetta Stone, they simply pass down tales from Hahren to children. Those stories are often tainted by bitterness and vagueness, which totally warp the truth.

 

For every Dalish story, try to find the one fundamental truth in it and ignore all the excessive details really.

[LOLandStuff]

@StrangeStrategy

 

You'd think they'd write it down somewhere instead of yapping about it by the campfire.

[LobselVith8]

You necro'd a two-month old thread so that you wouldn't end without the last word?

 

 

Dude, that's just pathetic.

 

I find nothing pathetic about dismissing your claim that the Dalish are comparable to the Taliban.

[TheKinkyHuntress]

Chances are the Dalish and Ancient Elves have very little in common.
I doubt the Ancient Elves were so fond of hunters/andruil , because I don't think they needed hunters all that much.
It's also possible they didn't worship those gods at all...
We have very little information about the Ancient Elves , and  the Dalish well , even if they are studying the whole thing...the fact they are nomad , living mostly in isolation (even from others DAlish) is not helping.
We saw Merrill and the Eluvian...another clan had a book about it, Morrigan stole it.
Did Merrill know about this book?I Don't think so.

I think this makes perfect sense. If you think about it, how possible is it for the Dalish elves to have much in common with their ancient counterparts? The Dalish as we know it are only able to retain their independence by being nomadic, and they sustain their lifestyles by hunting and moving around all the time.

From what we see if the Arlathan elves, they were a vast empire that were anything but nomadic. Since the Dalish seek to recapture their former glory, it seems there is only one of two ways this can be achieved: either by forming an empire and conquering all of Thedas again (which is most unlikely) or by practicing their original beliefs and earning their extended lifespans again (also unlikely).

[Medhia_Nox]

I would absolutely love to find out that the ancient elves of Arlathan not only were decadent corrupt civilization builders ever bit as "evil" as Orlais or Tevinter.

 

Felassan is my absolute favorite elf in DA so far. 

[Dean_the_Young]

I find nothing pathetic about dismissing your claim that the Dalish are comparable to the Taliban.

 

 

Taking issue with and trying to dismiss a comparison is just a difference of opinion. Doing so by necroing a thread so that you could have the last word, rather than let a minor two month dead disagreement be consigned to oblivion, is what's pathetic.

[In Exile]

@StrangeStrategy

 

You'd think they'd write it down somewhere instead of yapping about it by the campfire.

There are lots of cultures that don't do this and, by not doing this, create a very different understanding and relationship to their past and history. 

 

There is an evidential problem, sure, but that's because we have a very distinct understanding of history today that's very focused on trying to be 'scientific' about past events, i.e., that wants an accurate chronological account of what happened rather than a cultural, narrative account.

 

The problem with the Dalish is that they adopt a very modern, Western attitude toward history while ostensibly being a culture that is anything but modern or western in actuality. This is mostly a result of Bioware not having a lot of experience with this type of academia. 

 

Not their fault, but it creates a lot of funky problems. 

[Steelcan]

I can't believe I missed this thread

[Ravensword]

I can't believe I missed this thread

[themageguy]

I apologise if this has already been mentioned, but is anyone else considering making a dalish necromancer?

I know according to WOT, that the dalish tend to stay away from magics involving spirits, and treat them as one would a dangerous animal, however, in games, novels and comics, we have seen and heard rumors of some powerful magics dalish use involving spirits.

Some immediate examples i can think of is Zathrian binding the spirit of the forest to witherfang, Velanna summoning sylvans, daliah binding circles/ runes, and the rumors of being able to graft spirits onto wounds to heal.

Just curious at what everyone's opinion is on this.

[Vapaa]

Taking issue with and trying to dismiss a comparison is just a difference of opinion. Doing so by necroing a thread so that you could have the last word, rather than let a minor two month dead disagreement be consigned to oblivion, is what's pathetic.

 

What IS pathetic is avoiding to answer a constructed argument by "LOL NECROING"

[TK514]

What IS pathetic is avoiding to answer a constructed argument by "LOL NECROING"

Why would he be interested in arguing a two-month forgotten difference of opinion? This post was dead, gone and consigned to the garbage bin of "not page 1" until it was dragged back out for no real reason.

[RobRam10]

Did someone say NECROMANCY?!

In any case what does it matter if the dalish myths are right or wrong? Those pathetic stories and heresies got destroy by the glorious Tevinter Imperium and so it should stay in oblivion!

[In Exile]

I apologise if this has already been mentioned, but is anyone else considering making a dalish necromancer?

I know according to WOT, that the dalish tend to stay away from magics involving spirits, and treat them as one would a dangerous animal, however, in games, novels and comics, we have seen and heard rumors of some powerful magics dalish use involving spirits.

Some immediate examples i can think of is Zathrian binding the spirit of the forest to witherfang, Velanna summoning sylvans, daliah binding circles/ runes, and the rumors of being able to graft spirits onto wounds to heal.

Just curious at what everyone's opinion is on this.

 

Basically every single Dalish mage we've seen (barring Lanaya) has dealt with spirits. WOT's rule is more like an exception. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

Of course the Dalish don't have a clue regarding the ancient Elves' mythology. It was all lost with Arlathan after all. Their primarily oral tradition doesn't help either. Apparently one of the more respected Harens, think that the Dalish Clans date back to before the Second Blight... A time during which the Dales was at its mightiest... So no, the Dalish certainly do not have a firm grasp on the mythology of Arlathan. They do however have their own culture and mythology, which may be a bastadized version of the Arlathan (like the Roman was of the Greek to some degree), but it is still their own.