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[Ryuzetsu]

So Legion downloads the Reaper code so the Geth can gain individuality but during the coarse of that process did he discern the nature of the Catalyst? If so did he return to the Geth consensus to guard against what he saw would be Shepard's choices? At first I thought maybe to protect against the destroy option as an obvious reason but then I thought, why just that? If he saw the choices that Shepard had, then he would have been guarding against all of them. Destroy, obvious reasons. Synthesis creates the problem of denying the Geth the individuality that they just achieved. Probably not something they would want. This leaves control. Perhaps if Shepard chose control and the Geth had downloaded the Reaper code it would have controlled them as well as extensions of the Reapers, i.e. husks, marauders etc.

[DeinonSlayer]

wut

[Kabooooom]

I too am perplexed by this.

[SporkFu]

How does synthesis deny the geth their individuality? To my mind their individuality would be reaffirmed, only now with a greater understanding of what it means to be an organic... To me that was kinda the point of synthesis, from a synthetics POV.

[Rainbowhawk]

It's not really clear if the Geth would have seen their death coming because they did agree to build the Crucible and from the design and the expectations of it wiping out the Reapers, it might have been possible for the geth the see it coming and perhaps have back ups hiding somewhere to be discovered. (It's not clearly stated but I'm exploring that possibility in the Fan-fic I'm currently writing.)

[MassivelyEffective0730]

You made my brain poop owwies.

[CynicalShep]

Pretty sure this somehow confirms HL3

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Pretty sure this somehow confirms HL3

 

I have red punch dripping out of my nose.

[Excella Gionne]

Synthesis gives synthetics full understanding of what it is to be an organic, and how. Synthesis a future where the line between organics and synthetics starts to disappear, because organics can now fully interface with synthetic technology. However, it is also the final evolution of all life as well. I believe synthesis does give synthetics individuality.

[CynicalShep]

I have red punch dripping out of my nose.

It's true though. The closest thing there is to IT nuts is the people who still wait for HL3 to come out.

[ImaginaryMatter]

It's true though. The closest thing there is to IT nuts is the people who still wait for HL3 to come out.

 

Quiet your tongue, heretic!

[CynicalShep]

Quiet your tongue, heretic!

I know you feel this...

[ImaginaryMatter]

I know you feel this...

 

And it hurts me.

[Excella Gionne]

And it hurts me.

The feels are killing me.

[shodiswe]

Don't think so, this doesn't make sense to me, but whatever you prefer.

If Legion saw it all comming then he could have spared us a lot of trouble by telling us what we needed to know. We could have skipped Thessia, and all else following it and just deployed the Crusible on the Citadel and ended the Reaper war.

[Farangbaa]

So Legion downloads the Reaper code so the Geth can gain individuality but during the coarse of that process did he discern the nature of the Catalyst? If so did he return to the Geth consensus to guard against what he saw would be Shepard's choices? At first I thought maybe to protect against the destroy option as an obvious reason but then I thought, why just that? If he saw the choices that Shepard had, then he would have been guarding against all of them. Destroy, obvious reasons. Synthesis creates the problem of denying the Geth the individuality that they just achieved. Probably not something they would want. This leaves control. Perhaps if Shepard chose control and the Geth had downloaded the Reaper code it would have controlled them as well as extensions of the Reapers, i.e. husks, marauders etc.

 

The Reapers are not aware of the Catalyst.

 

Also, this is a hilarious topic.

[Farangbaa]

It's not really clear if the Geth would have seen their death coming because they did agree to build the Crucible and from the design and the expectations of it wiping out the Reapers, it might have been possible for the geth the see it coming and perhaps have back ups hiding somewhere to be discovered. (It's not clearly stated but I'm exploring that possibility in the Fan-fic I'm currently writing.)

 

I'm fairly certain every (major) species had their end-game strategies... except humans.

 

-I find it absolutely unthinkable that the Salarians didn't employ some sort of Ark Ship the minute the Reaper war started. Cause that's how they are. Mind you, knowing what they are makes me think they've already deployed multiple Ark Ships to multiple parts of the galaxy (maybe even beyond) before brown stuff started hitting the fan.

-We know the Asari had their plans ('preparations for the end of civilization as we know it should be made' or whatever the Asari Councilor said)

-The Turians... I have no idea. They might be more inclinced to fight with every man left standing (like the Humans)

-If the Rachni Queen had any brains whatsoever, the first eggs with new queens she laid would've been sent into outer space.

-Raloi tried to trick the Reapers into thinking they were pre-spaceflight. (doubt this worked though)

-The Geth, with their existential war at awakening and their near annihilation by the hands of the Quarians during the Reaper war must've come up with something. (apparantly they didn't... which is strange considering they witnessed extinction first hand twice: their own near genocide of the Quarians, and then the near genocide by the Quarians)

-Drell/Hanar: no idea. Though I suppose they did have some sort of Ark Ship going on. The Drell are no strangers to extinction.

-Elcor: lol, doomed. 

-Volus: lol, doomed.

-Krogan: lol, doomed. (maybe the Salarians picked up a few though. Sneaky bastards )

-Batarians: lol, doomed

-Vorcha: lol, doomed.

-Yahg: doomed. Unless the Reapers were stupid enough to leave them alive.

 

My point here being that, even though I state some species are doomed, that whatever happens in ME3 (death of the Geth/Quarians for instance) can easily be retconned in ME4, whatever they choose as canon:

 

'Before x happened, the Salarians made true Ark Ships: sometimes openly, but more often covertly they picked up minimal viable populations of each species, put them in the Ark Ships and sent them, each filled with known species of galaxy to the far reaches of the galaxy... and beyond' with some extra lines for whatever ending you picked.

 

*Badumtss*

 

hell this would even make canonizing Refuse a very viable option. You'll basically get the same game with extra species for this cycle and prepare for the ultimate Reaper showdown in ME6.

[SwobyJ]

Legion saw nothing coming. He was interested in getting his own goals done ASAP - like Wrex/Wreav, and (many of) the Quarians.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

It's true though. The closest thing there is to IT nuts is the people who still wait for HL3 to come out.

 

But then there are those who waited for the long rumored Diablo 3 and now look what happened. It is out and Reaper of Souls fixed the bugs.

[Sir DeLoria]

Pretty sure this somehow confirms HL3

[MassivelyEffective0730]

 

Oh Valve and their irrational terror of the number 3... 

 

Honestly, I must be one of the few people who think, that while HL2 was a very good game, isn't one of the best I've ever played. Valve games are some of the most overrated games out there. 

 

I think L4D is essentially crap and Portal is the cool but ultimately pointless mini-game like it was supposed to be.

[CynicalShep]

But then there are those who waited for the long rumored Diablo 3 and now look what happened. It is out and Reaper of Souls fixed the bugs.

I was one of those people and then I ended up never getting the game. Just lost interest in time

[mybudgee]

No & neither did HAL9000

[Ryuzetsu]

Catalyst conversation:
Shepard- So you're just an AI?
Catalyst- In as much as you are just an animal. I embody the collective intelligence of all Reapers.

So if the Catalyst is the singular embodiment of Reaper consciousness, and the consciousness of each reaper is embedded in the reaper code how is it not possible that Legion could.. and I'm saying could, be aware of the Catalyst.

[shodiswe]

Catalyst conversation:
Shepard- So you're just an AI?
Catalyst- In as much as you are just an animal. I embody the collective intelligence of all Reapers.

So if the Catalyst is the singular embodiment of Reaper consciousness, and the consciousness of each reaper is embedded in the reaper code how is it not possible that Legion could.. and I'm saying could, be aware of the Catalyst.

The catalyst has the code of every reaper, but the Reapers havn't got the code of other reapers or the Catalyst "who created it) Neither does Legion.

Every time a Reaper is created all it's knowledge and information is passed on to the Catalysts servers on the Citadel and it holds the collective intelligence and knowledge of all Reapers. Dead or alive.
It's the creator of the Reapers and they do the tasks it designed them for. Since it built em all, it knows them all.

IT's "existance" would be the greatest secret, letting anyone possibly glean knowledge of it's existence would endanger it's very existance and mission.

Legion found programming code upgrades that were vastly more efficient than what the Geth originaly had, but it didn't contain their entire library of knowledge. Which is likely huge.

Think of it like this;
Having found a copy of Microsoft word to install on your PC doesn't give you access to every document ever written, in fact it grants you access to nothing other than whatever templates might have been included.
If you find a storage with some other files then you got whatever is stored in them, unless they are beyond your ability to decrypt.

In other word, software updates and tech don't equate to the collective knowledge of the Reapers, if that was the case then we could have captured a husk and gained all the knowledge we needed. Need to know is probably the approach used.