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[Lucidae]

So, I have seen so much hate online towards Anders for what he did in DA2. Am I one of the few who actually still likes his character?

A lot of people chose to kill him based on what I see in the forums. I've always let him live and kept him in my party... I was shocked at what he did, but I wasn't mad at him. I was only mad at him For deceiving me, especially in my first play through where I romanced him. Wish he had just told me the truth. He also seems to immediately regret what he did after it was done, as if he wasn't fully in control of his actions due to his spirit buddy.

Anyway, I could see him playing some sort of role in DAI if he was kept alive. And if he was killed I could see Jus - I mean Vengeance possessing his dead body. I feel like his character could be a key in trying to solve things since he was in the middle of the start of the war as much as if not more so than Hawke.

I would personally like him to make an appearance

[BioticMarauder]

No, please no!

[Lucidae]

But whyyyy. No one ever seems to explain the Anders hate x.x

[Ray561]

He should only return if we can kill him again for what he did.

 

I think the more important question is will we have a Dog this time.

[Wolfen09]

its not what he did, its the way they screwed him up from awakening.  he was an awesome character in awakening and they just 180'd him right after that.  Now some will argue that its the influence of justice on him, but i would have rather seen an anders where he is the same as awakening anders in act 1, then slowly showed his drop into madness over the next 2 acts leading up to the explosion.  But its because they just said yeah forget all that and here is who he is now is what make people hate him.  as for all my playthroughs, he will come back as justice or a corpse, anders is gone and my head and empty bottle of tylenol thank me for that.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

But whyyyy. No one ever seems to explain the Anders hate x.x

Nobody explains why they hate a liar and psychopath who blows up a church with innocent people inside, sets a large city ablaze, and sacrifices an entire Circle of the people he is supposedly helping in order to just send a message? 

[Basement Cat]

But whyyyy. No one ever seems to explain the Anders hate x.x

It's pretty simple: he instigated a war. That's a bit much for most people.

[Hobbes]

I don't like him and in my first original DA2 playthrough, my Hawke decided to kill him, but I would like the option of running into him, assuming he is still alive for us.  I don't think I would necessarily want him to play a big part, but say running into him in the wilderness somewhere hiding out or something?  That could be fun, perhaps give us the option to kill him again haha.  

[TheKomandorShepard]

I hope he shows up and is another insane destructive abomnation then i can even easier begin the extermination of all mages and bring stability and progress.

[Xerxes52]

Nobody explains why they hate a liar and psychopath who blows up a church with innocent people inside, sets a large city ablaze, and sacrifices an entire Circle of the people he is supposedly helping in order to just send a message?

This. Interesting scenario: Spare him in DA2, and he descends further into madness and becomes a full-on abomination. Kill him in DA2, and Justice is freed from his corrupting influence (but keeps the meat suit) and tries to fix the mess he and Anders' made.

[Wolfen09]

well, justice is pretty much gone.  I believe anders said that when he and justice merged, justice changed...  so to say that justice would go to fix the problem, i dont think would apply, since justice isnt justice anymore

[Gervaise]

If he were to show up then I think it would have to be with him totally subsumed by Justice.   That is really the only way you could fit it to any play through.    If you killed him, Justice took over his dead body; If you spared him, Justice takes over his mind.  

 

Otherwise it would have to be something optional based on what you feed into the Keep.     However, it should be borne in mind that spirits can now apparently live independently outside the Fade, particularly since the breach, so even if Anders died and Justice returned to the Fade, the latter could return.   It would be rather ironic if Justice turned up wanting to obtain justice for all the people killed in the Big Bang at the beginning, particularly since that likely includes the Divine.  

[Chernaya]

Oh no... you have no idea what you've started! (or maybe you do, I just wanted to say that).

 

I like Anders. Yes, I like him, and I am fully aware of how insane and controversial he is. I would love for him to make an appearance, but we shall see.

[LadyDraven]

This. Interesting scenario: Spare him in DA2, and he descends further into madness and becomes a full-on abomination. Kill him in DA2, and Justice is freed from his corrupting influence (but keeps the meat suit) and tries to fix the mess he and Anders' made.

As above, I've always felt that sparing anders would in his mental state almost be like supporting him and he would only feel more justified in what he did.

[Xerxes52]

well, justice is pretty much gone.  I believe anders said that when he and justice merged, justice changed...  so to say that justice would go to fix the problem, i dont think would apply, since justice isnt justice anymore

Ah yes, you're right. Been a while since I've played DA2.

In that case, it would probably be Vengeance instead of Justice in the meat suit, and he'd probably about as bad as an abomination version of Anders.

[Lucidae]

This. Interesting scenario: Spare him in DA2, and he descends further into madness and becomes a full-on abomination. Kill him in DA2, and Justice is freed from his corrupting influence (but keeps the meat suit) and tries to fix the mess he and Anders' made.

I think something like this would be rather cool. I don't want him to be a major player, but it would just feel weird to me if the guy who was the starter of the open war were to just disappear.

I guess I just don't hate him because I felt like the world was going to blow up anyway. I didn't really care for the people in the Kirkwall chantry. When the grand cleric died I was kinda like... So, what'd she ever do? She was just such a bystander. I also agreed with him on many if his ideals and decisions. He spent a lot of his time in the game helping and placing others before himself. His actions did cause for the Kirkwall circle to be punished, but that wasn't his intention. Meredith and Orsino were pretty crazy too lol.

Side note.
Often I consider some of the less finer points in DA2's story to be due to the very small development time. Books usually take a couple years to write, and the writing staff for DA2 didn't have much time at all to flesh everything out well, as well as for the devs to implement a well fleshed out story into the game.

[Dracon525]

I liked the IDEA of Anders being Vengeance. It was shown in Awakening that he had no love for the Circle, so it made sense that Justice could be corrupted. What "I' found annoying, was how Anders changed from Awakening to become a whiney lil' b***h.

I'd have preferred if he'd been introduced to us as he was by the end of DA:2, so we could've had 'Vengeance' as a companion, rather than Anders.

[Lucidae]

Oh no... you have no idea what you've started! (or maybe you do, I just wanted to say that).
 
I like Anders. Yes, I like him, and I am fully aware of how insane and controversial he is. I would love for him to make an appearance, but we shall see.

Yay I'm not alone xD

Well, I always saw all the anger towards him... But never a real conversation about it. Just comments. I guess I'm just begging for ppl to tell me why a character I enjoy is just the dumbest extremist to them lol.

[Chernaya]

Yay I'm not alone xD

Well, I always saw all the anger towards him... But never a real conversation about it. Just comments. I guess I'm just begging for ppl to tell me why a character I enjoy is just the dumbest extremist to them lol.

 

You get used to it, as a fan of his on the Intranets, haha. I never argue against people that they are wrong, I mean, the reasons to loathe him are pretty valid, I can admit that. But to me, he's a brilliant character who sparks up major feels from people, and it takes guts to write a character you know tons of fans will hate. I just really love his backstory and find him to be one of the most interesting characters in the series. 

 

But no, you're not alone. There are plenty of Anders fans out there. Just also plenty of... not fans. haha

[Wolfen09]

I guess I just don't hate him because I felt like the world was going to blow up anyway. I didn't really care for the people in the Kirkwall chantry. When the grand cleric died I was kinda like... So, what'd she ever do? She was just such a bystander. I also agreed with him on many if his ideals and decisions. He spent a lot of his time in the game helping and placing others before himself. His actions did cause for the Kirkwall circle to be punished, but that wasn't his intention. Meredith and Orsino were pretty crazy too lol.
 

 

the fact of the matter is, is that he did involve bystanders, there were others in the chantry besides elthina, and the calamity that ensued because of it cost a lot more bystanders their lives (im pretty sure that the mass hysteria throughout kirkwall had alot of normal people dying, the whole place was on fire).  he may have only intended to kill elthina, but he has the blood on his hands of every death in kirkwall from the incident as well as the deaths of every templar and mage in the war now.  I cant like a character who does that knowing the consequences.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I think something like this would be rather cool. I don't want him to be a major player, but it would just feel weird to me if the guy who was the starter of the open war were to just disappear.

Anders didn't start the war. He was written off as a madman by the Circle of Magi. The war started three years later for different reasons. 

[Lucidae]

the fact of the matter is, is that he did involve bystanders, there were others in the chantry besides elthina, and the calamity that ensued because of it cost a lot more bystanders their lives (im pretty sure that the mass hysteria throughout kirkwall had alot of normal people dying, the whole place was on fire).  he may have only intended to kill elthina, but he has the blood on his hands of every death in kirkwall from the incident as well as the deaths of every templar and mage in the war now.  I cant like a character who does that knowing the consequences.

I thought he just wanted to blow the whole thing up as like a big middle finger to the entire order. It just seemed like the death of Elthina was the big OMG death from the incident. I think Vengeance made him irrational and wanted to spark a war because it only saw that as the only way for things to change. Whereas Anders tried unsuccessfully to fight against it. You're right, He did endanger or indirectly kill all of the innocents he spent so much time healing which was bad :< he is a very tragically flawed character, I guess I just really like that sort of thing.

[saMoorai]

Eh, I kinda want to know how making Anders side with the Templars affected him in the long run.

 

Plus, it'd be nice to get Justice out of him, and maybe have Cole teach Justice how to exist without a body.

[Lucidae]

Anders didn't start the war. He was written off as a madman by the Circle of Magi. The war started three years later for different reasons.

The timeline on the DAI website says otherwise.

[Xerxes52]

Yay I'm not alone xD

Well, I always saw all the anger towards him... But never a real conversation about it. Just comments. I guess I'm just begging for ppl to tell me why a character I enjoy is just the dumbest extremist to them lol.

For me? It was mainly because he would never stop harping on the plight of the mages, even when I was on his side. That and he was really nasty to pretty much everyone on the team, except for Varric and Bethany. But even Varric was getting tired of him by Act 3. Usually the other party members would develop some kind of friendship or mutual understanding with each other (like Aveline and Isabela, or Fenris and Varric), but with Anders it was just a downward spiral of paranoia and rage.

But the worst part? He was the only healer for most of the game.