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[Hellion Rex]

You know you're going to run right back into that tin foil with him, right?

 

 

But she's brainwashed remember?   

Damn, forgot I had this argument hours ago.

[Han Shot First]

In and of itself, it doesn't excuse any action taken by the Chantry.

Also, you're incorrect in three ways. Firstly, practically any given government in Thedas, except for Antiva's near-anarchy, could be considered tyrannical in some way. Secondly, there are numerous societies in which mages hold positions of power and aren't particularly tyrannical. Finally, mages have never been completely free in Tevinter; the Circle originated there, many mages are enslaved, and only those mages on top of the heap can act with any sort of impunity.

 

You're right in that no government in Thedas is perfect, and they've all got blood on their hands to varying degrees. None have reached the levels of depravity shown by Tevinter however, with widespread slavery and people murdered simply for the sake of fueling the magical powers of their masters. And not all nations in Thedas are ruled by tyrants. Ferelden's monarchs for example have their power limited by the landsmeet, and the nobles in turn need to court their freeholder vassals. It isn't exactly democratic, but its about as close as you are likely to get to it in Thedas.

 

Also you're wrong about mages being enslaved in Tevinter. In any hierarchy not everyone can be at the top, and some mages serve more powerful magister lords. But they aren't slaves.

[Hellion Rex]

Probably more common that you want to think. 

What evidence have you? Anything more than Anders' words? The guy who has only been to two Circle out of how many? 14-15 Circles?

[AresKeith]

If she was, it certainly clears up in a flash the instant the Chantry's endangered her son.

 

How did they endanger her son again?

[MisterJB]

Not getting into this again.

Stockholm Syndrome.

 

That is a joke, right?

 

Because someone disagrees with you, suddenly that person has Stockholm Syndrome?
 

[Hellion Rex]

How did they endanger her son again?

Well, Lambert tried to kill him lol

[thetinyevil]

How did they endanger her son again?

He was going to be executed for murdering that former tranquil.

[MisterJB]

Someone should have told Wynne what Adrian did.

I'd have liked to have seen what she would do to her.

[Xilizhra]

Just because someone's being oversensitive, that doesn't mean the person speaking is wrong or spreading hate.

Hate is pretty damned hard to conjure from nothing. And it's corroborated by what other people say while denied by none.

 

 

You're right in that no government in Thedas is perfect, and they've all got blood on their hands to varying degrees. None have reached the levels of depravity shown by Tevinter however, with widespread slavery and people murdered simply for the sake of fueling the magical powers of their masters. And not all nations in Thedas are ruled by tyrants. Ferelden's monarchs for example have their power limited by the landsmeet, and the nobles in turn need to court their freeholder vassals. It isn't exactly democratic, but its about as close as you are likely to get to it in Thedas.

 

Also you're wrong about mages being enslaved in Tevinter. In any hierarchy not everyone can be at the top, and some mages serve more powerful magister lords. But they aren't slaves.

Ferelden's monarchs continually **** on the city elves; selective tyranny is still tyranny.

 

Also, see above for Fenris' quote about enslaved mages. And Varania, his sister who used to be an enslaved mage before he had her freed.

[thetinyevil]

That is a joke, right?

 

Because someone disagrees with you, suddenly that person has Stockholm Syndrome?
 

The way she acts toward the Circle, is the same way people who suffer from Stockholm Syndrome act.

[Hellion Rex]

Someone should have told Wynne what Adrian did.

I'd have liked to have seen what she would do to her.

There'd be nothing left of Adrian when the smoke cleared.

[Xilizhra]

Someone should have told Wynne what Adrian did.

I'd have liked to have seen what she would do to her.

War of mana capacity. Adrian's got more powerful offenses but Wynne is a better healer. It'd be an interesting duel, to be sure.

[AresKeith]

He was going to be executed for murdering that former tranquil.

 

You mean that was caused by another Mage

 

Well, Lambert tried to kill him lol

 

Oh that? lol 

[Hellion Rex]

War of mana capacity. Adrian's got more powerful offenses but Wynne is a better healer. It'd be an interesting duel, to be sure.

Plus Wynne gets her magic supercharged by Faith.

[Hellion Rex]

You mean that was caused by another Mage

Lol, but Lamby didn't know that at the time.

[AresKeith]

The way she acts toward the Circle, is the same way people who suffer from Stockholm Syndrome act.

 

   

 

No words for how wrong this is

[Xilizhra]

Plus Wynne gets her magic supercharged by Faith.

When she uses Vessel of the Spirit, but she dies a bit more every time she uses it.

Unfortunately, Adrian's spell list isn't nearly as complete as Wynne; they appear to be about equal in terms of power, but we only really know of Adrian's proclivity for fire spells and her apparent lack of proficiency in Creation.

[thetinyevil]

   

 

No words for how wrong this is

http://en.wikipedia....ckholm_syndrome

[MisterJB]

What evidence have you? Anything more than Anders' words? The guy who has only been to two Circle out of how many? 14-15 Circles?

Now, why wouldn't you believe in what Anders claims?

 

I mean, he's only 100% willing to lie to the faces of the parents of the girl he killed in order to manipulate them into supporting the man who murdered their baby girl

SERIOUSLY, WTF ANDERS!?

 

[Xilizhra]

Now, why wouldn't you believe in what Anders claims?

 

I mean, he's only 100% willing to lie to the faces of the parents of the girl he killed in order to manipulate them into supporting the man who murdered their baby girl

SERIOUSLY, WTF ANDERS!?

Do you recall DS9's In the Pale Moonlight?

[Grieving Natashina]

http://en.wikipedia....ckholm_syndrome

 

   

 

No words for how wrong this is

 

I'm not seeing how Keith is wrong here.   Posting the definition doesn't strengthen your argument.

[thetinyevil]

I'm not seeing how Keith is wrong here.   Posting the definition doesn't strengthen your argument.

Maybe it is just my dislike of her that makes me see this, really how can a mother support a system that stole her child from her before she even got to look at him.

[thetinyevil]

I hate Wynne and I cheered when she died. That's all there is too it.

[MisterJB]

Maybe it is just my dislike of her but I do see, how else you explain a mother be fine with her child being stolen from her before she even got to look at him.

She didn't say she was fine with it; in fact, she implies she would have tried to stop it had she the strenght; but that doesn't change the fact Wynne acknowledges the Chantry has a very good point regarding the dangers mages pose to themselves and others nor the fact that she sees Templars for who they are, men like any other, or the fact that she loves the community within the Circle, etc.

 

People are extremely complex creatures who don't put everything into two boxes named "like" and "dislike", go figure.

[Hellion Rex]

I hate Wynne and I cheered when she died. That's all there is too it.

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