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[Wolfen09]

I thought he just wanted to blow the whole thing up as like a big middle finger to the entire order. It just seemed like the death of Elthina was the big OMG death from the incident. I think Vengeance made him irrational and wanted to spark a war because it only saw that as the only way for things to change. Whereas Anders tried unsuccessfully to fight against it. You're right, He did endanger or indirectly kill all of the innocents he spent so much time healing which was bad :< he is a very tragically flawed character, I guess I just really like that sort of thing.

 

to each his own, but you asked for the reason for all the hate, its because of this or the thing with the changing of his character... and the fact that he was the only healer after bethany left... dick move bioware, dick move

[Argothian]

Anders is such a controversial character and that's why I like him. I believe there are plenty of "rational" reasons to kill him in DA2 because, even if he is not a proper abomination, Justice corrupted him at his will just as Anders' anger itself twisted Justice back. So, that's true, there's little left of the real Anders at the end of the game but I could feel this change happening gradually. I personally decided not to kill him because I grew fond of him and hoped until the very end that my character could help him someway, not expecting at all that he was going to blow the Chantry up. So, even if there were rational reasons driving me to kiil him because he was to be a threat in future, I spared his life for "emotional"/and maybe egoistic reasons (the same reasons that led me to accept Morrigan's offer)... On the other hand, maybe without his actions the mages would have never find the courage to get the things in motion and stop being subdued. 

 

To sum up, Anders' apprecciation or disdain really depends on how you played the game and where do you stand in the whole mage/chantry situation

If he ever comes back in DAI, I'm rather sure it will not be on friendly terms   but I would like him to make an appearance 

[SilkieBantam]

I thought he just wanted to blow the whole thing up as like a big middle finger to the entire order. It just seemed like the death of Elthina was the big OMG death from the incident. I think Vengeance made him irrational and wanted to spark a war because it only saw that as the only way for things to change. Whereas Anders tried unsuccessfully to fight against it. You're right, He did endanger or indirectly kill all of the innocents he spent so much time healing which was bad :< he is a very tragically flawed character, I guess I just really like that sort of thing.

I do too. Liking a character and agreeing with their actions are two totally different things. 

[Feybrad]

Nobody explains why they hate a liar and psychopath who blows up a church with innocent people inside, sets a large city ablaze, and sacrifices an entire Circle of the people he is supposedly helping in order to just send a message? 

 

[Lucidae]

to each his own, but you asked for the reason for all the hate, its because of this or the thing with the changing of his character... and the fact that he was the only healer after bethany left... dick move bioware, dick move

I appreciate your time and response ^^

P.s. I've also been given insight on opposing points of view which is helpful.

[Ray561]

to each his own, but you asked for the reason for all the hate, its because of this or the thing with the changing of his character... and the fact that he was the only healer after bethany left... dick move bioware, dick move

This is why my mage hawk Became a Healer

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yes, because the Joker is definitely someone that should be looked to up as a role model. 

[Basement Cat]

Yes, because the Joker is definitely someone that should be looked to up as a role model. 

Well yeah. If you want to be an extremist who sends the world into upheaval, you couldn't find a better role model than Mistah J!

[adorkable-panda]

I am an Anders lover I really am *i'mforeverteamFenristhough* I am one of the fans who was really bitter with how he became a sassy, almost alistair clone *downtothevoiceactor* light hearted fellow in DA: A to a whiney little... well, pussycat. Seriously, it made me so sad because Anders from DA: A is literally a completely different character than who appeared in DA2, despite this I liked him still for various reasons. I do agree with an earlier poster that I would've been fine if he retained more of his previous representation and slowly descended into madness as acts progressed. 

 

I don't know, Anders was just a huge turn off especially by the end of the game when he does the big bang and innocent people die. While I personally didn't like the Grand Cleric, I agree she was a bystander, but seriously, there was more than just her in that Chantry. And it just amuses me that he's always trying to clear the slander placed on mages when he did everything in his power to do otherwise. I roleplay when I play DA and being a Mage Hawke I was so flipping pissed when my lover not only lied to me but basically made the world hate me even more just so he could "make a statement" and all I could think about was "Man I knew I should've stuck with Fenris". Seriously it bugged me so bad that they made him in such a way. While I respect your opinion of still liking him after blowing up the chantry I can't help but to resent him for making the Mage situation that much more dire and adding more flame to a sensitive issue. Especially when I was a Mage who was actually trying to redeem mages in the eyes of others. So that's why I took his action seriously. And in my first playthrough I ended up killing him even though he was my romance at that point. From my perspective there was no way that Hawke would forgive him for such action and lying to him was an ultimate sin to the character I created for Hawke *diplomatic*. So it was pretty heart wrenching for me. 

 

And then when I played another playthrough and romanced him again and spared him I was irked becuase he doesn't even give you a seedy kiss before the final battle like Fenris does xDD I mean come on Anders, I spared you and we're mage fugitives together now, you think I'd get some passionate smoochy smooch. 

 

I love Anders, and I also love to hate Anders. In any case however, I'd love for him to appear in DAI especially considering that the choice of killing him or sparing him was one of the very few important choices the second game had to offer, So I better see some consequences if I'll be damned for either killing him or sparing him. So I do support the return of Anders. Especially because I absolutely adore his VA :3 

 

And while we're at it I hope we get some Fenris too

[Naktis]

I think Anders will be our main villain or one of the main villains. And if he was Hawkes LI then you get option to force him into suicide similar to Saren , Illusive Man type.

[aTigerslunch]

I didn't hate Anders going from Awakening to DA2, far from that.

 

I didn't like Anders cause he blew up and killed many innocents. Regardless who they were, he shouldn't of done that. I didn't care about his hitting on me, I just declined him, that was no biggie. I found him annoying for saying mage this and mage that. Carver says it perfectly for me to Anders. :Cause you wont stop going on about it.

 

His murdering many is what has me put that knife there.

[Lukas Trevelyan]

I used to be a fan of Anders, and I think he can once again be a great character if he became a villain, the whole whine/do bad things/say how much of a horrible person you are cliche' really gets old. Anders can become Vengeance if he's left to live and you investigate him since he's a spirit/mage and all and could be a reason behind the veil tear. Not sure what to do if he was Hawke's LI to be honest.

[Little Princess Peach]

I liked Anders I never killed him

[MrDuck]

Maybe he'll appear. My Hawke spared him. He didn't approve of him blowing up the chantry of course. Elthina and those few Templars in there didn't really deserve to die. But he just couldn't kill him then. I also took his help at the battle against the Templars due to his healing skills.

 

If he does appear in Inquisition and has lost the struggle against Justice, my Inquisitor will probably finish him off though.

[thetinyevil]

its not what he did, its the way they screwed him up from awakening.  he was an awesome character in awakening and they just 180'd him right after that.  Now some will argue that its the influence of justice on him, but i would have rather seen an anders where he is the same as awakening anders in act 1, then slowly showed his drop into madness over the next 2 acts leading up to the explosion.  But its because they just said yeah forget all that and here is who he is now is what make people hate him.  as for all my playthroughs, he will come back as justice or a corpse, anders is gone and my head and empty bottle of tylenol thank me for that.

For the love of everything holy, he didn't change! He was the same as he was in DA:A. He was just as bitter and angry than as he was in DA2, the only difference is he stopped hiding it behind snark. And truthfully I preferred him in DA2. He was just so fake in Awakening, just go back and play and you will see DA2 Anders there.

 

For the thread, I love Anders. I was at first really angry with him and killed him in several playthroughs but then I started paying attention to things in the game, like the sound of mages being tortured, talked to Alain and Elthina's apathy to the mage's suffering. By my third playthrough I was more than happy to help him and always kept him alive and with me. I hope he is in DA:I he and my Inquisitor are going to be good friends.

[Vegeta 77]

No his dead......Forever.

[MisterJB]

But whyyyy. No one ever seems to explain the Anders hate x.x

Well, personally, the fact that he kills an innocent mage and then tries to pin it on the Templars made him lose some points with me.

Then there's the whole psychological manipulation thing "If you don't help me, you're not really my friend."

[thetinyevil]

Well, personally, the fact that he kills an innocent mage and then tries to pin it on the Templars made him lose some points with me.

Then there's the whole psychological manipulation thing "If you don't help me, you're not really my friend."

If you don't constantly belittle him and his cause force him to turn mages into the Gallows and slowly drive him further into the arms of Justice/Vengeance you can bring him back before he kills Ella. Also he blames himself for it not the templars.

[Former_Fiend]

Here's my opinion on the matter.

 

Someone imports "Anders is dead" on the keep, he should stay dead and shouldn't show up again.

 

Someone imports "Anders is alive" on the keep, he should show up.

[Xilizhra]

Nobody explains why they hate a liar and psychopath who blows up a church with innocent people inside, sets a large city ablaze, and sacrifices an entire Circle of the people he is supposedly helping in order to just send a message? 

I have little faith in your Internet diagnosis of psychopathy, quite frankly.

 

Also, I have no major problems with him. His blackmail is regrettable, but forgivable. His mind appears to have healed somewhat on the friendship path, which seems to be a good sign going forward; perhaps Justice will be less of a problem later on. I also, as an aside, suspect that many of Justice's problems might have come from intimate contact with Anders' darkspawn taint; even spirits try to stay away from it, and it apparently is rather effective against them in combat, as Avernus learned from his research into ways to fight demons.

[Khaeix]

I personally still like Anders. 

His development from DA:A to DA2 was very interesting (specifically Justice's influence on him). 

I would enjoy seeing him in DA:I but I don't think there's any reason for him to be in it besides killing him, which I don't want to do. 

[thetinyevil]

Nobody explains why they hate a liar and psychopath who blows up a church with innocent people inside, sets a large city ablaze, and sacrifices an entire Circle of the people he is supposedly helping in order to just send a message? 

The Circle was already dead, Meredith sent for the ROA from the Divine, who would have given it. The innocent people in the Chantry is rather debate able, they were like maybe ten Clergy and one or two templars, the same Clergy who turned people injured and starving people away. The same Clergy who wanted donations from people in Darktown, they wanted money from people who had no money. And the templars, yeah I think there is a word limit on this, so going over why they aren't innocent would be a mile long. 

 

He wasn't just sending a message, he was showing the world that the Circle system is broken. After all the Circle was being punished for something they didn't even do. Also doing what he did, allowed some of the mages to escape, if he didn't do none of them would have escaped. I mean they were all locked in their cells at night so the Templars could have just gone room to room at a leisurely place killing every mage in the Circle.

[BioWareM0d13]

There should be negative consequences for allowing Anders to live. It was clear in DA2 that as the years passed by Anders was slowly losing control over himself. Allowing Justice to join with him was a fatal blunder. His anger corrupted Justice into a spirit of Vengeance, and that spirit of Vengeance corrupted Anders into a violent radical. And short of death there is no separating the two.

 

Anders in effect, has become something akin to an abomination. Justice's motives may be different and less malevolent than your typical demon, but he is no less dangerous. He is an unthinking zealout driven only by a desire to smite those he deems wrongdoers, collateral damage be damned.

 

Having Anders somehow return in DA:I reformed or seeking to make amends just wouldn't make sense, IMO. He should be incapable of either given how he was presented in DA2. If Anders returns in DA:I it should be as vengeance-driven radical we saw at the end of DA2, because he and Justice are now joined into a single entity.

 

Also, some 'good' decisions should backfire on the protagonist. Not every act of mercy should be rewarded.

[Jaison1986]

I used to be alright with Anders before, but it was because I was lazy and never bothered to analize the companions more deeply. So I can give my reasons as to why people hate, but to each their own by the end of the day.

 

The thing is Anders is highly extremistic on his views, seeing the word with black and white and never judging mages for their misdeeds (unless they are blood mages), while aways trowing stones at the templars for pretty much everything, he is extremely rude to almost all companions except for Varric and Bethany, and half of the times, unfairly so (I wanted to punch him during some banters with Aveline), He acts like an hypocrite towards you if you try to romance either Merrill or Fenris, when he has no moral highground whatsoever, he tries to blackmail you when you refuse to help him blindly, he triggers an city wide conflict, and even if you don't care for the Chantry and the templars (I certanly don't), consider this: Are we to assume that all the rubble that flew from the Chantry when it exploded conveniently missed hitting and killing any innocent civilian in the city? And what about the mages? For all Anders talk about hating how the templars decide the fates of the mages, he certanly is no better deciding to throw them at their deaths just to further his goals.

 

When you consider all of these, I think people have plenty of reasons to hate him.

[Xilizhra]

There should be negative consequences for allowing Anders to live. It was clear in DA2 that as the years passed by Anders was slowly losing control over himself. Allowing Justice to join with him was a fatal blunder. His anger corrupted Justice into a spirit of Vengeance, and that spirit of Vengeance corrupted Anders into a violent radical. And short of death there is no separating the two.

 

Anders in effect, has become something akin to an abomination. Justice's motives may be different and less malevolent than your typical demon, but he is no less dangerous. He is an unthinking zealout driven only by a desire to smite those he deems wrongdoers, collateral damage be damned.

 

Having Anders somehow return in DA:I reformed or seeking to make amends just wouldn't make sense, IMO. He should be incapable of either given how he was presented in DA2. If Anders returns in DA:I it should be as vengeance-driven radical we saw at the end of DA2, because he and Justice are now joined into a single entity.

 

Also, some 'good' decisions should backfire on the protagonist. Not every act of mercy should be rewarded.

The reason I refrained from posting my hopes that anyone who rivaled Anders would have it backfire horribly is that I knew it'd be a dick move to say it. This, however, seems to be even worse, not least because it completely bones anyone who romanced him, and that hardly seems fair at all... nor does it seem fair to break from the precedent that keeping your companions alive is a good thing (universally true in both DA and ME so far).