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[MisterJB]

If you don't constantly belittle him and his cause force him to turn mages into the Gallows and slowly drive him further into the arms of Justice/Vengeance you can bring him back before he kills Ella. Also he blames himself for it not the templars.

In ambient dialogue, Anders will tell you how he was going to try and attend the funeral and hope the girl's parents would believe the Templars killed her.

So, not only is he an Abomination capable of killing innocents, he is unwilling to take responsability for his actions choosing instead to commit yet more crimes (Chantry) and was perfectly willing to lie to the face of the people whose daugther he killed so as to manipulate them into supporting the murderer of their girl.

[Xilizhra]

In ambient dialogue, Anders will tell you how he was going to try and attend the funeral and hope the girl's parents would believe the Templars killed her.

So, not only is he an Abomination capable of killing innocents, he is unwilling to take responsability for his actions choosing instead to commit yet more crimes (Chantry) and was perfectly willing to lie to the face of the people whose daugther he killed so as to manipulate them into supporting the murderer of their girl.

Ah, so basically like Isabela being unwilling to help save Kirkwall if Hawke screws up. Hardly a concern for those Hawkes who don't.

[Jaison1986]

Ah, so basically like Isabela being unwilling to help save Kirkwall if Hawke screws up. Hardly a concern for those Hawkes who don't.

 

She screwed up Kirkwall the moment she run off with the tome.

[TheJediSaint]

Anders is D.E.D dead in my world state, so I'm not concerned with him showing up in DAI.

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

Honestly, as much as I kill and really hate Anders in Dragon Age 2... My first import I will do when the Keep is released is going to be with a Hawke who was his friend that kept him alive, so I am very interested to see his role.

[renfrees]

Why every once in a month someone feels obligated to open a can of worms, called Anders?

[ClassicBox]

I really like Anders.... If you rivalmance him, you can convince him to give up his plan. He will say he was wrong about everything and that there is barely any 'him' left.  Only then Justice takes over and tells you to pretty much to back off. I'm not saying this makes what he did okay, but I put most of the blame on Justice. (Link: https://www.youtube....h?v=7nLtlJiN5_8 )

It would be really cool to kill Justice, if you even could. Like going in to the Fade and killing Connor's demon in DAO, only this spirit (who is pretty much a demon now?). 

Anyways, if he shows up it will probably be sad because he will probably be a husk of Anders with nutso Justice/Vengeance. unu

 

(It' cool to see people's different opinions of him. I think that makes him a good character.)

[thetinyevil]

I really like Anders.... If you rivalmance him, you can convince him to give up his plan. He will say he was wrong about everything and that there is barely any 'him' left.  Only then Justice takes over and tells you to pretty much to back off. I'm not saying this makes what he did okay, but I put most of the blame on Justice. (Link: https://www.youtube....h?v=7nLtlJiN5_8 )

It would be really cool to kill Justice, if you even could. Like going in to the Fade and killing Connor's demon in DAO, only this spirit (who is pretty much a demon now?). 

Anyways, if he shows up it will probably be sad because he will probably be a husk of Anders with nutso Justice/Vengeance. unu

 

(It' cool to see people's different opinions of him. I think that makes him a good character.)

You fracture his physic. If you rivalmance him you make him hate himself. Not only that it is horribly abusive. You are telling him he is evil and worthless.

[BioWareM0d13]

The reason I refrained from posting my hopes that anyone who rivaled Anders would have it backfire horribly is that I knew it'd be a dick move to say it. This, however, seems to be even worse, not least because it completely bones anyone who romanced him, and that hardly seems fair at all... nor does it seem fair to break from the precedent that keeping your companions alive is a good thing (universally true in both DA and ME so far).

 

If Dragon Age was a book series rather than a video game, Hawke sparing Anders would backfire in the end. That is the natural trajectory of Anders' character arc. All throughout Dragon Age 2 we continue to see Anders become increasingly radical and gradually losing a struggle to maintain some self control in the face of Justice's malign influence. 

 

To have Anders' suddenly be 'cured' of that influence would be a bit nonsensical and a cop out. Whether or not players romanced him should not be a in factor in deciding where his character arc should end. Sex is no cure for Anders' ailment.

 

Also not every act of kindness or mercy should be rewarded in the series, and I say that as someone who generally plays characters who fall somewhere on the good spectrum. Just like in real life, some of those actions should sometimes blow up in the protagonist's face. The sparing of Anders is one such decision that would make perfect sense to attach negative consequences to it.

 

The Inquisitor is trying to end the Mage-Templar conflict?  Anders has other ideas and is working against your every move. That is the route they should go.

[Kingthlayer]

I believe we'll meet up with Anders again at some point in Inquisition.  Unsure about his role though I am, I can see him going full on abomination and us having to kill him, that way he's dead for sure, either in Dragon Age 2 or in DA:I, no chance for future Anders.

 

Another thought I had for him, might make him too important to the game for someone who can be dead, that doesn't seem like a path BioWare would take.  My idea was that Anders can be "saved" by the Inquisitor, we find a way to safely remove Justice/Vengeance from Anders.  That knowledge can later help us with possibly freeing the spirit in Cole, though in his case his host seems to already be dead so it would just be to allow the spirit to go back to the fade.

 

Just a small idea I had, not completely thought out yet.

[Xilizhra]

If Dragon Age was a book series rather than a video game, Hawke sparing Anders would backfire in the end. That is the natural trajectory of Anders' character arc. All throughout Dragon Age 2 we continue to see Anders become increasingly radical and gradually losing a struggle to maintain some self control in the face of Justice's malign influence.

Anders recovers to an extent, probably back up to Act 2 levels, if you friend him and side with the mages.

 

 

To have Anders' suddenly be 'cured' of that influence would be a bit nonsensical and a cop out. Whether or not players romanced him should not be a in factor in deciding where his character arc should end. Sex is no cure for Anders' ailment.

Well, ignoring the fact that love can have tremendous psychological boons, I agree with you: Anders shouldn't be screwed over regardless of whether or not you romanced him.

 

 

Also not every act of kindness or mercy should be rewarded in the series, and I say that as someone who generally plays characters who fall somewhere on the good spectrum. Just like in real life, some of those actions should sometimes blow up in the protagonist's face. The sparing of Anders is one such decision that would make perfect sense to attach negative consequences to it.

Attach negative consequences to someone who isn't a companion. Like Vaughan.

 

 

The Inquisitor is trying to end the Mage-Templar conflict?  Anders has other ideas and is working against your every move. That is the route they should go.

What I would call fair is for it to be like ME3's Rannoch: something will go badly with Anders and he'll die if you side with the templars. However, if you side with the mages or somehow end the war otherwise, all will be fine.

[DragonRacer]

I'm a fan of Anders/Justice and Loghain, and generally spare both in the majority of my playthroughs.

 

It's actually kind of amazing such a thing has not yet made me an absolute pariah on the forum. 

[themikefest]

I kill him every time I play DA2 so he shouldn't be in DAI

 

If by chance he's in DAI, I wouldn't have a problem killing him again

[AresKeith]

Yes, because the Joker is definitely someone that should be looked to up as a role model. 

 

Maybe he's one of the people who

 

[CrabbyCrackers]

I myself would like to see Anders again, I liked/loved him.  I never blamed him for what he did, I blamed justice, which i find it hard to understand why everyone wants justice back. Anders had no desire to do anything against the chantry he just wanted to be free he even stated so in DAA. I believe Justice was manipulative, used anders, A higher level of thinking then the run of the mill demons. I also think he manipulated us the game player by feeling sorry for justice and blaming anders.

  

• Merrill: Anders... There's no such thing as a good spirit. There never was.
• Merrill: All spirits are dangerous. I understood that. I'm sorry that you didn't.

 On the rival path anders even tries to pull away from justice, Justice comes out and pretty much states he isn't letting anders go.

 

But at any rate i do wish to see anders again.

[godModeAlpha]

Anders, no1 terrorist. Though I let him live as punishment for what he did, also because I thought it was Justice who pushed him over the edge. Anders trusted a demon / Spirit, thats just daft in the first place, should have seen the writting on the wall. I hope Cole can prove me wrong, but I think spirits are demons and are just bad news.

 

Anyway, Anders then decided to fight me again when I sided with the templers.

 

Topping my list of terrorists (dead or alive) is Anders followed Osama.

[JobacNoor]

I've figured for a long time it's almost certain he'd play a major role in Inquisition. Or rather that Vengeance plays a major role, Anders is just a meat suit now. If you kill him in DA2, he'd just be a possessed corpse, if you let him live it's just literally a bit of dialogue you'd need to switch around to establish that post-DA2, Vengeance went all ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL and Anders has no control at all anymore.

[Xilizhra]

I've figured for a long time it's almost certain he'd play a major role in Inquisition. Or rather that Vengeance plays a major role, Anders is just a meat suit now. If you kill him in DA2, he'd just be a possessed corpse, if you let him live it's just literally a bit of dialogue you'd need to switch around to establish that post-DA2, Vengeance went all ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL and Anders has no control at all anymore.

Again, deeply and unnecessarily unfair to anyone who liked or romanced Anders.

[godModeAlpha]

I really like Anders.... If you rivalmance him, you can convince him to give up his plan. He will say he was wrong about everything and that there is barely any 'him' left.  Only then Justice takes over and tells you to pretty much to back off. I'm not saying this makes what he did okay, but I put most of the blame on Justice. (Link: https://www.youtube....h?v=7nLtlJiN5_8 )

It would be really cool to kill Justice, if you even could. Like going in to the Fade and killing Connor's demon in DAO, only this spirit (who is pretty much a demon now?). 

Anyways, if he shows up it will probably be sad because he will probably be a husk of Anders with nutso Justice/Vengeance. unu

 

(It' cool to see people's different opinions of him. I think that makes him a good character.)

 

Also agree, that it was Justice who blew up the chantry.

 

However, I would like to say it was unwise to allow ones self to be possed by a spirit / demon, what good could have come from that?

[JobacNoor]

Again, deeply and unnecessarily unfair to anyone who liked or romanced Anders.

 

I like Anders and don't feel it's unfair.

[Grieving Natashina]

For the OP:  If you're curious about a couple of ideas about Anders going forward from DA2, here's some good reading for you.  Actually, the whole article is really good.  I think you might enjoy it and there is some lore tidbits in there.

 

 

http://swooping-is-b...om/1286233.html

 

 

TUK: Can I ask, what effect if any Anders being merged with Justice is going to have on his Calling?

 

DG: Uh...interesting. I'm getting some...okay, it's gone now, I was hearing a mental voice there, it was weird. [laughter] There were some plans to address that but in the end it became very complicated. I think there are a couple possibilities. One is that the spirit within Anders can affect the level of his corruption, so it may delay or remove the necessity for his Calling altogether. Either that or at some point the corruption within Anders is going to corrupt the spirit. I think those are the two most likely outcomes. I'm not going to say which of those we prefer, because Anders can survive DA2 so therefore there's a possibility that we may need him in the future.

 

 

[BioWareM0d13]

Again, deeply and unnecessarily unfair to anyone who liked or romanced Anders.

 

Like Thane dying was 'unfair' to anyone who romanced him?

 

Writers should be concerned soley with delivering a good story that makes sense, not in whether or not the content is also fanservice. Thane is a good example of this. Had he been cured of his terminal illness it would have made some of the people whose Shepard romanced him happy, but it would have come at the expense of making Thane the first person to survive Kepler's Syndrome and completely invalidating his entire character arc in Mass Effect 2.

 

It just doesn't make sense within the story as presented so far for Anders to get the happily ever after ending. If that upsets some fans...tough.

[Lucijenifer]

However, I would like to say it was unwise to allow ones self to be possessed by a spirit / demon, what good could have come from that?

 

Well, with that possession comes rarely-found power and if it's a more benign spirit, it's likely to allow you to remain in control rather than completely consuming your identity as a demon might.

 

It's difficult to tell whether it was Anders who was negatively influenced by Justice or whether it was Justice that was corrupted by Anders. Perhaps they were both slowly worn down by the horrible nature of Kirkwall? Whatever the case, I can't bring myself to believe that Anders' choice at the end of the game was a good one at all.

[Char]

Anders only survived on my first ever playthrough when my poor used, betrayed Hawke couldn't bring herself to kill her significant other, who was only her significant other because I saw Anders and went "OMG I loved you in Awakening! Happy days!"...

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Happy days were definitely not on the cards with Anders' new incarnation as a fun-absorbing black hole.

 

In all my others to date he has been knifed. In my opinion, it's a mercy. No matter whether you friend or rival him the poor man has lost so much of his original self, has been totally swallowed up by Vengeance, whether willingly or not. I couldn't condemn someone to live a life where for all I know they could be on the inside screaming out while Vengeance committed even more startling acts. As a result, my Hawke's nowadays all put him out of his misery. 

 

I just can't imagine a situation where seeing him would have a happy ending unless Solas could magically fish Justice out of him and feed him to Cole :/

[Grieving Natashina]

Anders only survived on my first ever playthrough when my poor used, betrayed Hawke couldn't bring herself to kill her significant other, who was only her significant other because I saw Anders and went "OMG I loved you in Awakening! Happy days!"...

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Happy days were definitely not on the cards with Anders' new incarnation as a fun-absorbing black hole.

 

 

I enjoyed his romance, but even my headcanon suggest that things didn't go so well after Kirkwall.  Especially after Hawke vanished.  Good romance, but ultimately with a tragic ending.  Even for those that thought bombing the Chantry was a good idea, they haven't predicted a happy ending for Anders.