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[Lucijenifer]

I just can't imagine a situation where seeing him would have a happy ending unless Solas could magically fish Justice out of him and feed him to Cole :/

 

That needs fan art.

[godModeAlpha]

It's difficult to tell whether it was Anders who was negatively influenced by Justice or whether it was Justice that was corrupted by Anders. Perhaps they were both slowly worn down by the horrible nature of Kirkwall?

 

You know may the Arishok was right then about Kirkwall, also I do remember Larius saying how the evil in Kirkwall might have been as a result of Corypheus. So it could be that Justice and Anders could have been influced based on these theory?

 

 Whatever the case, I can't bring myself to believe that Anders' choice at the end of the game was a good one at all.

 

Yea, Anders did seem to be an odd ball, always complaining about how he was forced to join the wardens, him running off etc. Should have seen it coming really. Would be interesting to hear what he has to say about kirkwall.

 

And if Anders is in DA:I, for me it means I would have 2 spirit possesed "beings" to keep my eye on.

 

Also would like to point out that I have previously assumed all spirits / demons are bad, I still think this is the case but then I remember Wynne and then I am a bit optimistic even about Cole.

[Hazegurl]

So, I have seen so much hate online towards Anders for what he did in DA2. Am I one of the few who actually still likes his character?

A lot of people chose to kill him based on what I see in the forums. I've always let him live and kept him in my party... I was shocked at what he did, but I wasn't mad at him. I was only mad at him For deceiving me, especially in my first play through where I romanced him. Wish he had just told me the truth. He also seems to immediately regret what he did after it was done, as if he wasn't fully in control of his actions due to his spirit buddy.

Anyway, I could see him playing some sort of role in DAI if he was kept alive. And if he was killed I could see Jus - I mean Vengeance possessing his dead body. I feel like his character could be a key in trying to solve things since he was in the middle of the start of the war as much as if not more so than Hawke.

I would personally like him to make an appearance

I also would love to see Anders again. My murder knife is just itching to be used again...or perhaps I'll feed him to all those fade demons...but then again, would they want him?

[Han Shot First]

 

 

It's difficult to tell whether it was Anders who was negatively influenced by Justice or whether it was Justice that was corrupted by Anders. Perhaps they were both slowly worn down by the horrible nature of Kirkwall? Whatever the case, I can't bring myself to believe that Anders' choice at the end of the game was a good one at all.

 

It seems to be a little bit of both.

 

Justice's influence on Anders is apparent to anyone who played Awakening. Anders went from something of a carefree rascal, to an ideologue driven entirely by obsession and a sense of injustice. But Anders' seems to have influenced Justice as well. In one conversation Anders even says as much, stating that his own anger corrupted Justice into an entity that desired vengeance. 

 

In many ways they were bad for each other. While it would probably never have been a good idea for Justice to join with anyone, Anders seems to have been a particularly poor candidate for a host. Had it been someone like Wynne, who was driven more by a sense of compassion or altruism, perhaps the results would have been less violent.

[thetinyevil]

It seems to be a little bit of both.

 

Justice's influence on Anders is apparent to anyone who played Awakening. Anders went from something of a carefree rascal, to an ideologue driven entirely by obsession and a sense of injustice. But Anders' seems to have influenced Justice as well. In one conversation Anders even says as much, stating that his own anger corrupted Justice into an entity that desired vengeance. 

 

In many ways they were bad for each other. While it would probably never have been a good idea for Justice to join with anyone, Anders seems to have been a particularly poor candidate for a host. Had it been someone like Wynne, who was driven more by a sense of compassion or altruism, perhaps the results would have been less violent.

Wynne was completely brainwashed by the circle, so she was pretty much empty on the inside. Anders still had a mind of his own and spirit and don't forget by the time he meets Justice the taint. 

 

Also Anders always hated the templars and wanted freedom for mages but the Circle taught him to be selfish. Caring about others, helping others was just a tool that could be used against you.

[thetinyevil]

You know may the Arishok was right then about Kirkwall, also I do remember Larius saying how the evil in Kirkwall might have been as a result of Corypheus. So it could be that Justice and Anders could have been influced based on these theory?

 

 

Yea, Anders did seem to be an odd ball, always complaining about how he was forced to join the wardens, him running off etc. Should have seen it coming really. Would be interesting to hear what he has to say about kirkwall.

 

And if Anders is in DA:I, for me it means I would have 2 spirit possesed "beings" to keep my eye on.

 

Also would like to point out that I have previously assumed all spirits / demons are bad, I still think this is the case but then I remember Wynne and then I am a bit optimistic even about Cole.

Well he was forced into the wardens, to save him from execution which it really didn't it was just a stay of execution. As for him running, well templars joined the wardens and it is implied that they were harassing him and were going to drag him back to the Circle even though he was a Warden. I would have run too.

[Hellion Rex]

Wynne was completely brainwashed by the circle, so she was pretty much empty on the inside. Anders still had a mind of his own and spirit and don't forget by the time he meets Justice the taint.

You're joking, right? Wynne, brainwashed? She had her act together more than any other mage in our parties (except maybe Morrigan). She certainly wasn't "empty" on the inside.

[Grieving Natashina]

You're joking, right? Wynne, brainwashed? She had her act together more than any other mage in our parties (except maybe Morrigan). She certainly wasn't "empty" on the inside.

He's of the mindset that anyone that follows the Chantry and believes in it's teachings is brainwashed.  

[Hellion Rex]

He's of the mindset that anyone that follows the Chantry and believes in it's teachings is brainwashed.

Lol, heaven forbid someone be pro-Circle like Wynne.

[thetinyevil]

He's of the mindset that anyone that follows the Chantry and believes in it's teachings is brainwashed.  

No a mage who can praise a system that allows children to be stolen from their families and put into an emotional vacuum, and allows horrible abuses to happen with no repercussions is either brainwashed or stupid. I mean they took her child not even allowing her to see him and she says this is a good system that needs to stay in place? How is that not brainwashed? 

[Ajna]

Like Thane dying was 'unfair' to anyone who romanced him?

Writers should be concerned soley with delivering a good story that makes sense, not in whether or not the content is also fanservice. Thane is a good example of this. Had he been cured of his terminal illness it would have made some of the people whose Shepard romanced him happy, but it would have come at the expense of making Thane the first person to survive Kepler's Syndrome and completely invalidating his entire character arc in Mass Effect 2.

It just doesn't make sense within the story as presented so far for Anders to get the happily ever after ending. If that upsets some fans...tough.

Femshep at least got a sweet goodbye with Thane.. That's not the same. I never romanced him but I still cried...

[thetinyevil]

You're joking, right? Wynne, brainwashed? She had her act together more than any other mage in our parties (except maybe Morrigan). She certainly wasn't "empty" on the inside.

Yeah she was. Really she didn't have a real life. It wasn't even a half-life.

[thetinyevil]

Lol, heaven forbid someone be pro-Circle like Wynne.

A mage being pro-circle like a a prison being happy about his own execution.

[Mr.House]

I think Anders will be our main villain or one of the main villains. And if he was Hawkes LI then you get option to force him into suicide similar to Saren , Illusive Man type.

Yes, screw people over who killed him!

[MissMayhem96]

One of my playthroughs was an Anders romance, I spared him and my Hawke ran away with him. So, if anders was to show up in DAI what about my Hawke?

[Hellion Rex]

Yeah she was. Really she didn't have a real life. It wasn't even a half-life.

I don't know...maybe it's because she was technically dead already?
Seriously though, she certainly had her act together more than Anders.

[Mr.House]

I don't know...maybe it's because she was technically dead already?
Seriously though, she certainly had her act together more than Anders.

A lobotomite has their act together more then Anders.

[Grieving Natashina]

One of my playthroughs was an Anders romance, I spared him and my Hawke ran away with him. So, if anders was to show up in DAI what about my Hawke?

Sadly, if they decide to include Anders, it probably won't be with Hawke.  My guess (and it's just that) is that at some point after the companions went their separate ways, and it was just him and Hawke, Hawke got called off to some business and never came back.  I have a theory as to why, but I think that's what happened.  I don't think that Hawke would have left their LI behind willingly.

[thetinyevil]

I don't know...maybe it's because she was technically dead already?
Seriously though, she certainly had her act together more than Anders.

She was empty before she died. At least Anders had some spirit left. She was just a broken shell. A broken empty shell.

[thetinyevil]

A lobotomite has their act together more then Anders.

Yeah because Anders could actually think and feel things without having to relearn how to do it.

[Tootles FTW]

Even though he's dead in my main playthrough I certainly don't hate Anders, and I would like to see him in DAI (if alive) considering the significance of his actions in DA2.  I just thought killing him was best for my canon Hawke's narrative, is all.  All my other playthroughs have him alive.

 

At the very worst, we'll certainly hear a lot about him from Varric and Cassandra.

[Hellion Rex]

She was empty before she died. At least Anders had some spirit left. She was just a broken shell. A broken empty shell.

Just because she chose to believe in the potential of the Circle? That's hardly a reason to call her an empty shell.

[thetinyevil]

Just because she chose to believe in the potential of the Circle? That's hardly a reason to call her an empty shell.

That was no potential left in the Circle. The system was completely broken. And the fact that she supported this system and wanted to keep it that way really proves how broken she really was. I'm actually story to feel sorry for her. Still don't like her but I'm feeling sorry for her.

[Hellion Rex]

That was no potential left in the Circle. The system was completely broken. And the fact that she supported this system and wanted to keep it that way really proves how broken she really was. I'm actually story to feel sorry for her. Still don't like her but I'm feeling sorry for her.

You do realize that she was fighting for change when she died, right? What with the whole cure to Tranquility, and what not?

[TK514]

You do realize that she was fighting for change when she died, right? What with the whole cure to Tranquility, and what not?

 

You are never going to get through that tinfoil hat.