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[xelander]

I liked Anders fine in DAA. He was even funny at times.

 

I hated him in DA II, cause he was a

1.whiny ******

2. f*cking terrorist and mass murderer

3.whiny ******

 

Which is why I don't want him in DAI.

[Grieving Natashina]

You are never going to get through that tinfoil hat.

Yep.  Her actions in Origins and Asunder don't matter, she's just "a puppet of the Chantry." 

 

And folks wonder why I sometimes have a lot of trouble taking some of the anti-Chantry folk seriously.  I'm not exactly a fan of the Chantry, but I also try not to let my personal bias get in the way of the facts in the lore.

[Hellion Rex]

You are never going to get through that tinfoil hat.

Someday, my friend. Someday.

[Ryzaki]

I will never understand how people say he's only whiny in DA2. He was just as whiny in DAA he just hid it better with sarcastic remarks.

[Grieving Natashina]

I will never understand how people say he's only whiny in DA2. He was just as whiny in DAA he just hid it better with sarcastic remarks.

As well as just as angry.  His snark had a lot of bite to it in Awakening.

[thetinyevil]

You do realize that she was fighting for change when she died, right? What with the whole cure to Tranquility, and what not?

She didn't want change and the cure for Tranquility had nothing to do with her beside her know the tranquil doing the research. 

[thetinyevil]

Yep.  Her actions in Origins and Asunder don't matter, she's just "a puppet of the Chantry." 

 

And folks wonder why I sometimes have a lot of trouble taking some of the anti-Chantry folk seriously.  I'm not exactly a fan of the Chantry, but I also try not to let my personal bias get in the way of the facts in the lore.

Yeah she did a lot in Origins, oh wait not she didn't. She just preached at you like she was all wise and had all this life experince when she had never been outside the tower. She was damn annoying.

 

In Asunder, she told the mages to shut up and take the abuse like good little slaves and only stepped up when her son was in danger.

[Hellion Rex]

I will never understand how people say he's only whiny in DA2. He was just as whiny in DAA he just hid it better with sarcastic remarks.

True, though I didn't have nearly as much irritation with him in DAI.

[Nimlowyn]

My first full playthrough he was my friend and in The Last Straw, although he appeared to understand that he deserved execution, he was not remorseful; in fact, he called himself a martyr, which disgusted me. He is in control of Justice and clear in his actions and intent. It hurt to execute him, but my character had to.

 

In my current playthrough I am playing a mage who is rivaling him. I understand that if you rival him, contrary to friendship, he is very not in control in the end. I wanted to see if perhaps this character would spare him, to see another ending and see where his character goes. This time round my Hawke and Anders do have a complicated relationship. But I don't know...I don't see a mage knowingly keeping someone alive who is a clear and present danger and for all intents and purposes demon possessed. As a mage rivaling him, she was already uncomfortable enough with the situation to begin with.

 

So, no I don't hate Anders...I'm very disappointed with him and I hate what he did. I have a feeling that even if Anders is not in DAI, Vengeance will show up. Perhaps even on the other side of the battlefield. 

[AresKeith]

There should be negative consequences for allowing Anders to live. It was clear in DA2 that as the years passed by Anders was slowly losing control over himself. Allowing Justice to join with him was a fatal blunder. His anger corrupted Justice into a spirit of Vengeance, and that spirit of Vengeance corrupted Anders into a violent radical. And short of death there is no separating the two.

 

Anders in effect, has become something akin to an abomination. Justice's motives may be different and less malevolent than your typical demon, but he is no less dangerous. He is an unthinking zealout driven only by a desire to smite those he deems wrongdoers, collateral damage be damned.

 

Having Anders somehow return in DA:I reformed or seeking to make amends just wouldn't make sense, IMO. He should be incapable of either given how he was presented in DA2. If Anders returns in DA:I it should be as vengeance-driven radical we saw at the end of DA2, because he and Justice are now joined into a single entity.

 

Also, some 'good' decisions should backfire on the protagonist. Not every act of mercy should be rewarded.

 

I agree with this

[Mr.House]

Yeah she did a lot in Origins, oh wait not she didn't. She just preached at you like she was all wise and had all this life experince when she had never been outside the tower. She was damn annoying.

 

In Asunder, she told the mages to shut up and take the abuse like good little slaves and only stepped up when her son was in danger.

Man what version of Asunder did you get? The edition me and others have must be unique.

[Hellion Rex]

In Asunder, she told the mages to shut up and take the abuse like good little slaves

Really now? Slaves? It's a gilded cage, I'll grant you, but not slavery.

[Ryzaki]

True, though I didn't have nearly as much irritation with him in DAI.

 

You agreed with him about the mages right? Cause I didn't. And it was whine whine ****** whine whine.

[Grieving Natashina]

Man what version of Asunder did you get? The edition me and others have must be unique.

Yeah, I'd love to know as well, because I sure remember her role in Asunder as being much more pro-active than that.

 

 

Really now? Slaves? It's a gilded cage, I'll grant you, but not slavery.

Without stepping too far into it, I don't like the Circle system.  However, I'll be the first to concur with this and say it's really not slavery.   A gilded cage, an outdated idea, and other problems.  Sure.  Slavery?  Eh...I never really bought that.

 

 

You agreed with him about the mages right? Cause I didn't. And it was whine whine ****** whine whine.

To be fair, Varric was the only guy in DA2 that had dealt with this issues without whining among the party.

[thetinyevil]

Really now? Slaves? It's a gilded cage, I'll grant you, but not slavery.

The mages lives are worth nothing. They can be killed, beaten or raped with no consequence. Hell Cole was left to die of dehydration in the dark. Bad way to go. Also when it was just mages being killed by the "Ghost of the Spire" the templars couldn't care less until a templar was killed and than they started investigating. 

 

They can't leave without permission, they can't read books without permission, they have no control over their own lives. 

[thetinyevil]

Man what version of Asunder did you get? The edition me and others have must be unique.

The same as you, I just read it differently. Just like everyone else. I didn't like Wynne so it colored how I seen her in the book.

[KC_Prototype]

He'll be there, he started the damn war! Why wouldn't he?! If he's alive he'll be leading a group mages against Templars.

[Mr.House]

He'll be there, he started the damn war! Why wouldn't he?! If he's alive he'll be leading a group mages against Templars.

He started no war, Justina, Adrian, Fiona, Rys and Lambert did.

[Lucijenifer]

He'll be there, he started the damn war! Why wouldn't he?! If he's alive he'll be leading a group mages against Templars.

 

I wouldn't be shocked if his 'connection' with Justice has blown up so much that he's little more than an abomination. I can't predict a good end for Anders, at all.

[Grieving Natashina]

He'll be there, he started the damn war! Why wouldn't he?! If he's alive he'll be leading a group mages against Templars.

While he started tensions, I think it's a stretch to say that he started the war.  In fact, they don't even mention him much at all in Asunder or in TME.  If anything, I'll place that on the little red-headed snot that thought that framing her childhood best friend for murder as the real starter of the war.

 

As you can tell, I never cared much for Adrian.

 

 

He started no war, Justina, Adrian, Fiona, Rhys and Lambert did.

 

 

Yeah, pretty much.  Anders was largely considered a pretty bit player in the grand scheme of things.

 

 

I wouldn't be shocked if his 'connection' with Justice has blown up so much that he's little more than an abomination. I can't predict a good end for Anders, at all.

Me too and I still like the character.

[Hellion Rex]

 

Without stepping too far into it, I don't like the Circle system.  However, I'll be the first to concur with this and say it's really not slavery.   A gilded cage, an outdated idea, and other problems.  Sure.  Slavery?  Eh...I never really bought that.

 

I don't have issues with the Circle itself. It's simply the drastic power imbalances between the two groups that need to be fixed.

[Hellion Rex]

He started no war, Justina, Adrian, Fiona, Rys and Lambert did.

I think he provided the ammo, and the others took it from there.

[Mr.House]

I don't have issues with the Circle itself. It's simply the drastic power imbalances between the two groups that need to be fixed.

Indeed, the circle would be good if it was properly regulated, mages had more say and templars where accounted for properly.

[AresKeith]

You do realize that she was fighting for change when she died, right? What with the whole cure to Tranquility, and what not?

 

Nope, she's just a Chantry brain-washed drone 

[ladyiolanthe]

I don't hate Anders. I thought he had an interesting story arc. My Hawke (a rogue, heavily mage-sympathetic due to her own family's struggle to keep their mage members out of the Circle's clutches) did romance him, and she did let him live at the end, although she broke up with him. The break-up was due mostly to him not being honest with her, with a big dose of "how could you DO that?!" in regards to his act of terrorism. She was kind of naive and idealistic, I guess.  Figured she could help him figure out a more peaceful solution if only he'd let her.

 

The one thing I wish had been different about the Anders storyline in DAII was the quest where he sends you to get ingredients to make a potion to free him from Justice. I, the player, immediately figured "sela petrae" was saltpetre and "drakestone" was sulphur, both of which are needed to make gunpowder. I would have liked to have the option to call Anders on it. Like "Do you take me for an idiot? I'm a rogue; I make grenades. You want to make explosives. Tell me what you need them for, or ask me to do something else for you, and don't lie to me this time." However, that would have made it hard for the writers to guide our Hawkes to the inevitable culmination of the game, so I understand why such an option wasn't included. So I didn't allow myself to metagame and I let myself be railroaded into collecting the ingredients for him.

 

Anyway, he was still alive at the end of my playthrough (I laughed at the epilogue bug which said My Hawke and Anders were happily off in the hills somewhere, even though she had very definitely dumped him at the end of the game...) and I think it would be interesting to run into him in DAI, for sure. However, I do not know yet how my Inquisitor would react. Depending on how things are set up at the beginning of DAI, she may not be as sympathetic towards mages as my Hawke was. So I don't know yet whether my Inquisitor would kill him for his role in starting the war or whether she would find some way to use him to her own ends.  I won't know until I see what information we're given as Inquisitors in the game - if Anders does show up.