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[DeinonSlayer]

By disobeying an order you are directly challenging the authority and competance of a superior officer, a soldier lesser rank is in no position  to make such a call, unless of course the superior officer´s action are in conflict with orders of higher authority or standard procedures.
 
Besides, Mistakes are generally only discovered after they´re made.  

Um... no. It's an NCO's job to expand on their superior's orders while operating within the bounds of them, and to report information up the chain which is operationally relevant so as to ensure their commanders are making informed decisions.

Conventionally, the Soviet war machine in WWII was more powerfull than that of Allied forces, and it did pay off.

"Allied forces?" I think you mean the Axis. And again, all that really stopped them was a snowstorm and a totalitarian government throwing more men at them than they had bullets.

[Sir DeLoria]

By disobeying an order you are directly challenging the authority and competance of a superior officer, a soldier lesser rank is in no position to make such a call, unless of course the superior officer´s action are in conflict with orders of higher authority or standard procedures.
Besides, Mistakes are generally only discovered after they´re made.

See Deinon's post.

But here's an example: If a subordinate officer had noticed that General Custer was using false estimates and thus could've prevented the disatrous defeat at Little Big Horn, shouldn't he have informed the general about it and disputed his order? According to you no.

Conventionally, the Soviet war machine in WWII was more powerfull than that of Allied forces, and it did pay off.

The soviets had simply far, far more men. The Red Army also lost about six times as many men as the Wehrmacht.

[von uber]

That is if they didn't execute all their men for disobeying orders...

 

Ah, the good ol' USSR. "Let's throw people at them until they run out of bullets!"

 

Not entirely accurate, but this isn't really the place.

[von uber]

all that really stopped them was a snowstorm and a totalitarian government throwing more men at them than they had bullets.

 

No, the Axis in all probability had only a very small chance of forcing the USSR to the peace table. After the winter of '41 the best they could hope for was a stalemate.

[Sir DeLoria]

Not entirely accurate, but this isn't really the place.

Both of those were purposely exaggerated

[KaiserShep]

"Allied forces?" I think you mean the Axis. And again, all that really stopped them was a snowstorm and a totalitarian government throwing more men at them than they had bullets.

 

General Zapp Brannigov was a hell of a military mind.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

General Zapp Brannigov was a hell of a military mind.

 

In the game of chess, you never let your opponent see your pieces.

[zestalyn]

As I posted on the 1st page this what edi says if Shepard has no romance

 

edi mentions, "When you're sexually interested in another, what kind of advances do you make?", if Shepard is in no romance

Ah, behold the answer! Thank you for quenching my curiosity. I was afraid BW would have gotten lazy and just had EDI assume Shep is a lady/man banger. Not that I would've really minded, that'd actually be kind of amusing 

 

Going to repeat something I've said before on the BSN, but it seems relevant: I'm one of those players who almost always skip the romances. The main thing is that the NPC's lack agency in these relationships. As long as you say and do certain things, they're into you no matter how much of a saint or sinner you've been for the rest of the series. Using Miranda as an example (although I think this is true of all the LI's), she may be in love with your ruthless Shepard, but she'd also be in love with my boy-scout Shepard as long as I completed the loyalty mission and chose a couple of upper right-hand dialogue options. That's just not convincing to me.

Also, I've always felt that the NPC's should realistically get a bit bored of Shepard; it's always them having to talk about their stories to him or her, and never the other way around. That seems like a pretty one-sided way to conduct conversation, and makes it hard to see what draws the character to Shepard, other than the fact that Shepard is the PC, or the Hero of the Citadel, etc., which is hardly the basis for a healthy relationship.

Suppose you could have a scene where Liara or somebody asks Shepard something like "What was it like on Torfan?" (I know it's cheesy; Shut up!) Shepard could then do a spiel describing what Torfan was like, and the player could interject at various points to dictate the general tenor of the description; think of the big speeches that Shepard gives after taking command of the Normandy in ME1, or during the suicide mission in ME2.

So you could either say something like "It was horrible, and I hope I never have to make decisions like that again" or "It was totally worth it to kill those Batarian SOBs." Some NPC's would be freaked out by you telling them that killing Batarians is totally worth losing most of your unit, while others might be intrigued by your badassery. The only problem I can see is that it could get really boring repeating the Torfan story nine or ten times, but the point is to make the dynamic between PC and NPC more give-and-take, and provide more opportunities for role-playing.

Totally agree with you about romance in general. Although I've thoroughly enjoyed BW's romances for the part they played in the games, they're definitely far from ideal and future BW games should definitely improve the romances based on the points you've made.

Which is why I'm quite optimistic about DA:I, as far as their LI's go. They made a huge deal about making the romance system much more mature, realistic, and dynamic, and hopefully that includes improvements for the flaws you've just described. 

[SporkFu]

I like them because more content is better than less. 

[Farangbaa]

I once saw a guy on here summarize ME (or Bioware in general) romances as follows:

 

"Hello, I'm Shepard"

"Hi"

"Want a massage?"

"No"

"How about now?"

"No"

"Now?"

"Ok"

[ImaginaryMatter]

I once saw a guy on here summarize ME (or Bioware in general) romances as follows:

 

"Hello, I'm Shepard"

"Hi"

"Want a massage?"

"No"

"How about now?"

"No"

"Now?"

"Ok"

 

I always liked this video:

 

[Excella Gionne]

 

I always liked this video:

 

Mass Effect 3: South Park Edition 

[Farangbaa]

That vid is gold, man.

The ME3 version is quite hilarious as well.

[Treskalterion]

That vid is gold, man.

The ME3 version is quite hilarious as well.

Got a link?

 

EDIT: Forget it found it myself

[Bob from Accounting]

I once saw a guy on here summarize ME (or Bioware in general) romances as follows:

 

"Hello, I'm Shepard"

"Hi"

"Want a massage?"

"No"

"How about now?"

"No"

"Now?"

"Ok"

 

This person doesn't sound very smart, do they?

[Treskalterion]

Well you have to use your imagination, make your own story inside the story! If love could be pressed into a Pc-game so easily, it wouldnt be the most important thin in live

[ImaginaryMatter]

This person doesn't sound very smart, do they?

 

Everybody scram! The fun police is here!

[Treskalterion]

Did anyone else get the feeling that you were missing a really strong (love)companion? Liara is leaning heavily on you, while Ashley doesnt trust you and Jack is an emotional wrack and needs your support but than moves on in ME 3 (students).

The closest in my opinion are Miranda and Tali. Miranda is clearly a strong-willed woman, who is actually - as far as I know - the only one who really tried to visit Shepard druing the detention and she provides you with vital information. On the other hand she is not a real squad member anymore and doesnt fight along your side during the final (even so this is a little understandable since it is about her sister).

Tali stays by your side from beginning till end (actually the only one), she is a little fragile though but does her best to support shepard (not as whiney as Liara), she knows what responsibility is and shares that heavy burden with Shepard.

 

All in all I miss a strong character like Jaheira and Viconia. Jaheira was a tough woman, who always had an advice and never left your side, a never-ending support... even at the end she was willing to let you go cause your well being was more important to her and than her own happines.

(It is a little embarassing, but she was my first crush^^)

[zestalyn]

Did anyone else get the feeling that you were missing a really strong (love)companion? 

I did not, because I romance Garrus 

[Treskalterion]

I did not, because I romance Garrus 

Well I never romanced male characters, but I guess you are rigth. He was my Shepards best friend after all

[Barquiel]

All in all I miss a strong character like Jaheira and Viconia. Jaheira was a tough woman, who always had an advice and never left your side, a never-ending support... even at the end she was willing to let you go cause your well being was more important to her and than her own happines.
(It is a little embarassing, but she was my first crush^^)

Viconia was my first video game crush (and she is still one of my favorites, along with Liara)

I know Chris Priestly once said (after Mass Effect 2 was released) that only a relatively small percentage of players played a romance ...so single Shepard is apparently pretty popular.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Viconia was my first video game crush (and she is still one of my favorites, along with Liara)

I know Chris Priestly once said (after Mass Effect 2 was released) that only a relatively small percentage of players played a romance ...so single Shepard is apparently pretty popular.

 

You actually believed what Chris Priestly said? A man who is well known for his tendency to irk fans (and be irked by them), as well as a vocal critic against romances in video games?

[MissMayhem96]

I was rp'ing an asexual Shepard, I had romanced Kaidan in ME1 but turned down the sex scene that happens before Illos. In ME2, romanced Garrus and it's safe to say they didn't have sex despite talking about it before the Suicide run. (Which was strange because it felt like my Shepard was being way too flirty for what I wanted her to be) and in ME3 I continued to romance Garrus.

 

EDI asked my Shepard about having experience in sexual encounters and I had made sure my Shepard had never had sex before that, so I agree with the person who said that Bioware must have thought that you would have at least romanced one person before ME3 and they must have done the deed.

 

Even when I made my Shep turn down Kaidan before Illos it said that I had completed the romance.

[DeinonSlayer]

I was rp'ing an asexual Shepard, I had romanced Kaidan in ME1 but turned down the sex scene that happens before Illos. In ME2, romanced Garrus and it's safe to say they didn't have sex despite talking about it before the Suicide run. (Which was strange because it felt like my Shepard was being way too flirty for what I wanted her to be) and in ME3 I continued to romance Garrus.

EDI asked my Shepard about having experience in sexual encounters and I had made sure my Shepard had never had sex before that, so I agree with the person who said that Bioware must have thought that you would have at least romanced one person before ME3 and they must have done the deed.

Even when I made my Shep turn down Kaidan before Illos it said that I had completed the romance.

If you advanced it to the point that they show up in your cabin before Ilos, it's flagged as completed in the save file whether you do the deed or not. You have to shut it down before it gets to that point for it not to register you as having been in a relationship. I recommend MaleShep, saying no (neutral - renegade is bugged to lock it in) to Liara and either losing Ashley on Virmire or saying "You're out of line!" in the exchange where she questions giving Garrus and Wrex free reign of the ship. That or say no to Liara and blow up Kaidan as FemShep.

[MissMayhem96]

I wanted the save file to say that I had romanced Kaidan, but I just wished that saying no to the sex could have EDI say something else on the Citadel. Although maybe she was referring to Garrus who I romanced in ME2, Mordin was giving my Shep guides on how to 'do' it with turians. All together, Roleplaying as an Asexual Shepard is hard if you want to romance someone.

 

I had done a Renegade no-romance Shepard and I can't remember what the conversation was between EDI and Shep on the Citadel.