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[DeinonSlayer]

...if your asexual Shepard romanced one or more people, then they're not really asexual.

[themikefest]

 

I had done a Renegade no-romance Shepard and I can't remember what the conversation was between EDI and Shep on the Citadel.

Are you referring to the first time you talk with edi on the presidium?  If so, it asks Shepard, "When you're sexually interested in another, what kind of advances do you make?", if Shepard is in no romance.

[MissMayhem96]

Asexuals can be in a romantic relationship but forego the sexual aspect. Some people say that it's just a really good friendship, but either way. I was trying to rp as a Shepard who wasn't comfortable/ wanting a sexual relationship and it's hard to do.

[Arcian]

So in ME3, when EDI is asking Shep for relationship advice, she says "Shepard, you've had firsthand sexual experience..." 

How EDI would know is obvious if you've romanced someone on the Normandy, but what if you had a playthrough that involved zero love interests? Would EDI still ask that question with that wording, essentially assuming your Shep has been there/done that? 

Why do I care? Aside from random curiosity, this question came to my mind when I was looking at the DA:I threads, and apparently a good number of people are interested in future Bioware games acknowledging asexuality/asexual relationships. So I couldn't help but wonder if there might've been a ME player purposely playing an asexual Shep who might've been ..irked by EDI's question 

You're assuming Shepard never hooked up in high school.

[zestalyn]

You're assuming Shepard never hooked up in high school.

 

 this question came to my mind when I was looking at the DA:I threads, and apparently a good number of people are interested in future Bioware games acknowledging asexuality/asexual relationships. So I couldn't help but wonder if there might've been a ME player purposely playing an asexual Shep who might've been ..irked by EDI's question 

[MissMayhem96]

I'm too lazy to look this up, but could someone tell me if Shepard didn't romance anyone in the trilogy you'll have a conversation with Anderson in the final scene about how your Shepard would have been a great mother/father? Or was the dialouge cut from the game completely?

[themikefest]

Here's the cut dialogue. The 2 times I didn't do  any romance I did not get this dialogue

[MissMayhem96]

Here's the cut dialogue. The 2 times I didn't do  any romance I did not get this dialogue

 

Such a shame it was cut, but then people wouldn't like the autodialoge and how it may have not fit their Shepards personality.

[SwobyJ]

I would appreciate if the next protagonist could be more clearly asexual if you choose to be.

 

I probably wouldn't do it, but the option would be nice, because even a non-sexual Shepard gives off vibes in some conversations that they're just not *currently* being sexual with anyone.

[DeinonSlayer]

I would appreciate if the next protagonist could be more clearly asexual if you choose to be.

I probably wouldn't do it, but the option would be nice, because even a non-sexual Shepard gives off vibes in some conversations that they're just not *currently* being sexual with anyone.

The only examples I can think of off the top of my head are a conversation in ME2 with Jacob where one of the dialogue options veers off into how strippers are "always willing to listen" (missed it my first few playthroughs), and the encounter at Purgatory with Steve (which my canon MaleShep avoids) where your only options are to either make a pass at him or ogle the strippers.

EDIT: Also every FemShep conversation with Jacob ever. Holy crap. Hard-pressed to find a non-flirtatious dialogue option.

[ImaginaryMatter]

The only examples I can think of off the top of my head are a conversation in ME2 with Jacob where one of the dialogue options veers off into how strippers are "always willing to listen" (missed it my first few playthroughs), and the encounter at Purgatory with Steve (which my canon MaleShep avoids) where your only options are to either make a pass at him or ogle the strippers.

EDIT: Also every FemShep conversation with Jacob ever. Holy crap. Hard-pressed to find a non-flirtatious dialogue option.

 

It does feel like BioWare is forceful feeding you the romance:

 

[MissMayhem96]

It's so hard for me to like Jacob and actually just talk to the guy. Every conversation is just so flirtatious and I have to take renengade options just to get out of the conversation.

 

Even before I knew that in ME3 he would hook up with Brynn I never thought much about romancing him.

[von uber]

Here's the cut dialogue. The 2 times I didn't do  any romance I did not get this dialogue

 

I quite like that.

[DuskWanderer]

Did anyone else get the feeling that you were missing a really strong (love)companion? Liara is leaning heavily on you, while Ashley doesnt trust you and Jack is an emotional wrack and needs your support but than moves on in ME 3 (students).

The closest in my opinion are Miranda and Tali. Miranda is clearly a strong-willed woman, who is actually - as far as I know - the only one who really tried to visit Shepard druing the detention and she provides you with vital information. On the other hand she is not a real squad member anymore and doesnt fight along your side during the final (even so this is a little understandable since it is about her sister).

Tali stays by your side from beginning till end (actually the only one), she is a little fragile though but does her best to support shepard (not as whiney as Liara), she knows what responsibility is and shares that heavy burden with Shepard.

 

All in all I miss a strong character like Jaheira and Viconia. Jaheira was a tough woman, who always had an advice and never left your side, a never-ending support... even at the end she was willing to let you go cause your well being was more important to her and than her own happines.

(It is a little embarassing, but she was my first crush^^)

 

Yeah, strong females seem to be difficult for companies to pull off effectively. Miranda and Ashley were part of the way, but they veered away from strength into outright being (censored). Tali's a little too fragile (although given her weakened immune system, it probably had to happen), Jack's not ready for a romantic relationship, Traynor's barely there, and Liara's weak with a capital W. 

[MissMayhem96]

Yeah, strong females seem to be difficult for companies to pull off effectively. Miranda and Ashley were part of the way, but they veered away from strength into outright being (censored). Tali's a little too fragile (although given her weakened immune system, it probably had to happen), Jack's not ready for a romantic relationship, Traynor's barely there, and Liara's weak with a capital W. 

 

I'm assuming your talking about Liara being emotionally weak, I could see how she could be in ME1. She didn't have constant interaction with other people, perferring to be alone etc. But by ME2, she lost Shepard and became an information broker. I don't quite like Liara in a paticular, I found that her writing was a bit inconsistant and sketchy. She's ok as a whole, but during this time she not the innocent prothean researcher that we saw in ME1 and has grown (imo too much) in the two years Shep was 'dead'. Liara in ME3 is no way the Liara we saw in ME1, she isn't emotionally weak, she's more confident in her work, she was able to take out Cerberus soliders on Mars. She's running the entire Shadow broker Network. She is also physcially stronger in her Biotic abilities.

 

Also, about what you said about Miranda and Ashley being (censored) (Which I'm also assuming meant B*****s) Now, These two character's I actually like, unfortunately the fandom doesn't like characters that disagree with the PC and label them as a*******. Bioware did a good job on making these two female characters strong, there are moments where fans take certain things about the characters: Miranda's cerberus loyalty; father issues, and Ashley's 'racist' ; Alliance first attitude and have it define who the characters are. Miranda and Ashley are not emotionally or physically weak either. They know what they want and try to achieve it, they fight for what they believe in.

 

Didn't mean to make this so long, I just really care about Miranda and Ashley's characters. As for Tali, Jack, and Traynor. There are things I could say, but I don't want to get into.

[DuskWanderer]

I'm assuming your talking about Liara being emotionally weak, I could see how she could be in ME1. She didn't have constant interaction with other people, perferring to be alone etc. But by ME2, she lost Shepard and became an information broker. I don't quite like Liara in a paticular, I found that her writing was a bit inconsistant and sketchy. She's ok as a whole, but during this time she not the innocent prothean researcher that we saw in ME1 and has grown (imo too much) in the two years Shep was 'dead'. Liara in ME3 is no way the Liara we saw in ME1, she isn't emotionally weak, she's more confident in her work, she was able to take out Cerberus soliders on Mars. She's running the entire Shadow broker Network. She is also physcially stronger in her Biotic abilities.

 

Also, about what you said about Miranda and Ashley being (censored) (Which I'm also assuming meant B*****s) Now, These two character's I actually like, unfortunately the fandom doesn't like characters that disagree with the PC and label them as a*******. Bioware did a good job on making these two female characters strong, there are moments where fans take certain things about the characters: Miranda's cerberus loyalty; father issues, and Ashley's 'racist' ; Alliance first attitude and have it define who the characters are. Miranda and Ashley are not emotionally or physically weak either. They know what they want and try to achieve it, they fight for what they believe in.

 

Didn't mean to make this so long, I just really care about Miranda and Ashley's characters. As for Tali, Jack, and Traynor. There are things I could say, but I don't want to get into.

 

No, Liara was weak throughout the story. Her posturing in ME2 was so forced it was painfully obvious just in the sound of her voice. She also falls apart whenever Shepard shows up and constantly mopes on and on about her feelings.

 

As for Ashley and MIranda, I actually am okay with them. Miranda I like, actually. The way Miranda supports Cerberus and what they did to Jack (as well as their other experiments in ME1) is inhumane, and (censored) for no other purpose than to be (censored)

 

Ashley's the opposite, she harps on and on about Cerberus. At least Kaidan mentions (quite reasonably) that, more than his Cerberus ties, Shep has a gun trained on Udina. They are strong, but there is a huge difference between being a strong character and being pointlessly (censored). THat's the problem

[MissMayhem96]

No, Liara was weak throughout the story. Her posturing in ME2 was so forced it was painfully obvious just in the sound of her voice. She also falls apart whenever Shepard shows up and constantly mopes on and on about her feelings.

 

As for Ashley and MIranda, I actually am okay with them. Miranda I like, actually. The way Miranda supports Cerberus and what they did to Jack (as well as their other experiments in ME1) is inhumane, and (censored) for no other purpose than to be (censored)

 

Ashley's the opposite, she harps on and on about Cerberus. At least Kaidan mentions (quite reasonably) that, more than his Cerberus ties, Shep has a gun trained on Udina. They are strong, but there is a huge difference between being a strong character and being pointlessly (censored). THat's the problem

 

So I guess taking down the Shadow broker still makes her weak, and apperantly showing feelings is wrong, which if you were in a romance with her would make a lot of sense. But with a Shepard who was only her friend, I couldn't expect less.  She obviously still loves Shep even if she isn't in romance with you. (which kinda sucks because you can be a real a****** to her and she wouldn't care) and this is why I like Miranda and Ashley.

 

Kaidan does seem to handle the Cerberus ties better than ash did, he's a level-headed guy. Ash was made to be stubborn, head-strong. If you choose to kill her on the citadel in ME3 her last words is tell shepard that she "had to make a stand", Kaidan's is "Man couldn't defend himself". (Paragon route)

All of the characters have faults, and some of them are pigeon-holed. But anyways, this has strayed from the topic of the thread.

[AVPen]

 

Here's the cut dialogue. The 2 times I didn't do  any romance I did not get this dialogue

 

I quite like that.

 

If you have the PC version of ME3, JohnP made a mod that restores this cut dialogue back into the game: http://www.nexusmods...ect3/mods/173/?

 

[Han Shot First]

The extended Anderson dialogue conflicts with his established backstory. I'm not sure if that is why it was cut, but it would justify it. In the cut dialogue Anderson states that never had a family, while in Mass Effect: Revelation he has an ex-wife, and the LotSB DLC implies that he has an adult son with that ex.

[DuskWanderer]

So I guess taking down the Shadow broker still makes her weak, and apperantly showing feelings is wrong, which if you were in a romance with her would make a lot of sense. But with a Shepard who was only her friend, I couldn't expect less.  She obviously still loves Shep even if she isn't in romance with you. (which kinda sucks because you can be a real a****** to her and she wouldn't care) and this is why I like Miranda and Ashley.

 

Kaidan does seem to handle the Cerberus ties better than ash did, he's a level-headed guy. Ash was made to be stubborn, head-strong. If you choose to kill her on the citadel in ME3 her last words is tell shepard that she "had to make a stand", Kaidan's is "Man couldn't defend himself". (Paragon route)

All of the characters have faults, and some of them are pigeon-holed. But anyways, this has strayed from the topic of the thread.

Her taking down the Shadow Broker was so ridiculously out of character I don't even pay attention to her. Not to mention Shepard, as always, does most of the work.

 

As for "emotions", no, there's nothing wrong with showing emotions, the problem is the emotion Liara shows are all weak ones. She constantly needs to be rescued. And yes, the fact that she's constantly in love with Shepard (despite Shepard being a jerk in the first game) is bad writing. Of course, the forced niceness in the later two games is probably worse.

 

I didn't have a problem with Ash being pig-headed, it is her character. But at some point, even she needs to drop it, particularly if she already drops it when you visit her while wounded in the hospital. Of course, given the writers didn't even try to give her extra content, dropping it might make her non-existent. If they'd stopped focusing on Liara and given the VS equal scenes, it would have been better.  

[MissMayhem96]

Her taking down the Shadow Broker was so ridiculously out of character I don't even pay attention to her. Not to mention Shepard, as always, does most of the work.

As for "emotions", no, there's nothing wrong with showing emotions, the problem is the emotion Liara shows are all weak ones. She constantly needs to be rescued. And yes, the fact that she's constantly in love with Shepard (despite Shepard being a jerk in the first game) is bad writing. Of course, the forced niceness in the later two games is probably worse.

I didn't have a problem with Ash being pig-headed, it is her character. But at some point, even she needs to drop it, particularly if she already drops it when you visit her while wounded in the hospital. Of course, given the writers didn't even try to give her extra content, dropping it might make her non-existent. If they'd stopped focusing on Liara and given the VS equal scenes, it would have been better.

I agree that Liara has way too much screen time and was given a DLC and it furthered went into detail about her romance. She gets all the good stuff, but I don't want to make this a Liara hate thread.

There were moments in ME1 that didn't seem right about the loss of her mother which was barely spoken of, and a lot of recycled dialogue. Instead of becoming an information broker on Illium it would had made more sense to make her go back to Thessia and try to convince the asari republic that the reapers were coming or at least get to see her do that instead.

When I first played Mass effect, I started out with ME2 I didn't have genesis and had no clue who she was before. So yeah, I thought it was normal and went back to play ME1 to get the whole story. It really hit me wrong when I realized what her character had become in ME2.

Ashley just needed to drop it in the Hospital conversations, and even when Shepard runs into her in the coup she still suspicious despite telling Shepard "case closed, full stop you cut all ties".

[MissMayhem96]

Her taking down the Shadow Broker was so ridiculously out of character I don't even pay attention to her. Not to mention Shepard, as always, does most of the work.

As for "emotions", no, there's nothing wrong with showing emotions, the problem is the emotion Liara shows are all weak ones. She constantly needs to be rescued. And yes, the fact that she's constantly in love with Shepard (despite Shepard being a jerk in the first game) is bad writing. Of course, the forced niceness in the later two games is probably worse.

I didn't have a problem with Ash being pig-headed, it is her character. But at some point, even she needs to drop it, particularly if she already drops it when you visit her while wounded in the hospital. Of course, given the writers didn't even try to give her extra content, dropping it might make her non-existent. If they'd stopped focusing on Liara and given the VS equal scenes, it would have been better.

I agree that Liara has way too much screen time and was given a DLC and it furthered went into detail about her romance. She gets all the good stuff, but I don't want to make this a Liara hate thread.

There were moments in ME1 that didn't seem right about the loss of her mother which was barely spoken of, and a lot of recycled dialogue. Instead of becoming an information broker on Illium it would had made more sense to make her go back to Thessia and try to convince the asari republic that the reapers were coming or at least get to see her do that instead.

When I first played Mass effect, I started out with ME2 I didn't have genesis and had no clue who she was before. So yeah, I thought it was normal and went back to play ME1 to get the whole story. It really hit me wrong when I realized what her character had become in ME2.

Ashley just needed to drop it in the Hospital conversations, and even when Shepard runs into her in the coup she still suspicious despite telling Shepard "case closed, full stop you cut all ties".

[MissMayhem96]

sorry that posted twice, I was on mobile and it froze up on me

[KaiserShep]

I try not to think about Liara's mother. "They always said there would be a bright light." lol

[ImaginaryMatter]

I agree that Liara has way too much screen time and was given a DLC and it furthered went into detail about her romance. She gets all the good stuff, but I don't want to make this a Liara hate thread.

There were moments in ME1 that didn't seem right about the loss of her mother which was barely spoken of, and a lot of recycled dialogue. Instead of becoming an information broker on Illium it would had made more sense to make her go back to Thessia and try to convince the asari republic that the reapers were coming or at least get to see her do that instead.

When I first played Mass effect, I started out with ME2 I didn't have genesis and had no clue who she was before. So yeah, I thought it was normal and went back to play ME1 to get the whole story. It really hit me wrong when I realized what her character had become in ME2.

 

No, give into you anger. Make it give you strength, give you focus!

 

Nah, just kidding; but there are parts of her character, several major parts, that just come off as weird or contrived. I always found her sheltered, almost naive character in ME1 to be contradicting with her back story as some sort of space archeologist who explores large, empty parts of the galaxy with the occasional pirate or space band entirely by herself. The part with her mother is also weird especially considering her freak out and transformation of almost her entire character due to the death of Shepard (who may have treated her coldly in the brief month or so that he knew her).

 

Maybe they should have called her Liarb and Liarc in ME2 and ME3, respectively.