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[phimseto]

Hey, Erik Brudvig of IGN...**** you.

Mass Effect is designed to be a single story where the decisions and actions of each game shape the overall playing experience.  It is not a drawback or a negative, it is the game's single greatest strength.  To everyone at Bioware, if there's one complaint you should feel utterly and completely free to ignore, it is that.  You guys have an immensely successful and influential franchise here.  Act like it, and don't be afraid to let people know that this trilogy comes with an expectation that the player invest the time to play all the games.  It was your original pitch and your greatest challenge.  Don't try to balance it out.  Go for it, and push yourself as far as you can to realize that vision.

Also, "pointless exploration"...screw you on that, too, Erik.  Exploration is a cornerstone of RPGs.  I would take greater offense, but I know that some of Bioware's DLC plans include more off-main quest exploration, so I'll let that one go for now.  The more galaxy I can explore and more stories I can find, the happier I am!  The galaxy is too big for every bit of content to be forcibly tied to the main quest.

[Enoch VG]

Nothing like getting angry at a review of a game that you haven't even played...

[hogepr]

Obviously that guy is more of a Gears of War/ Modern Warfare 2 type of player.

[ChuckNorris18]

^^ actually Erik is a big fan of ME 1

[RyuKazuha]

Yeah, that kind of negativ point kind of freaked me out, since someone who never played ME1 won't even recognize it, and for us it's just great to have as many references as possible.



But it just proves that he couldn't really find something to bother with.

[Nimander]

He ... gave it a 9.6.



Chill out.

[Aestivalis]

If I recall, in the review he said that "pointless exploration" was a problem in ME1, and had been significantly improved in ME2.



Failing to read is fail.

[Astalder]

People... he gave the game a 9.6. Having not played it you're not even qualified to criticize someone giving the game a score of 9.6. Yes, 9.6. Do you have any idea how good that is?



Being the game's forums we're going to have a lot of people here demanding every review validate their own opinion (i.e. 10 or die), get over yourself and remember what a review is for. It's a basis for a buy/no buy decision and a place for constructive criticism.

[phimseto]

It may be that he was just nitpicking, but it's the kind of bulletpoint that could make a difference for the worst. Hence, I choose to address the point. Mass Effect 2 may have its problems, but its ties to ME1 is not one of them.

[bohica01]

He said, "The only real caveat I should mention is that some of the revelations and plot twists won't be quite as powerful if you haven't played Mass Effect 1, but that isn't any reason to skip this fantastic videogame."



Pointless exploration? He said that the pointless exploration was fixed from the first game and is now awesome exploration. He knows that exploration is a cornerstone of RPG's, he was saying it was done poorly in ME1 and that ME2 fixed it.



He also gave it a 9.6 and loved the game. Read the review before complaining.

[phimseto]

Aestivalis wrote...

If I recall, in the review he said that "pointless exploration" was a problem in ME1, and had been significantly improved in ME2.

Failing to read is fail.

On the contrary, he said pointless exploration was "removed" (via the video review).  There is exploration, yes, and I'll wait to see before commenting on it, but I disagreed with his assessment of exploration in ME1 and chose to address it. 

[Astalder]

Think of it this way...

10.0 = Perfect game with no forseeable room for improvement under modern technology and culture.
-0.1 for overly refferential gameplay, important critique for first time buyers
-0.3 for sound cutout, crash, and stuck bugs

I remember when the first Mass Effect came out, there were some of us (i.e. me) who got yelled at for offering constructive criticism on what people thought was the perfect game.  Common complaints included...

1) Texture Pop-In
2) The MAKO and Exploration
3) Inventory System
4) Armor art, customization options.

Well damn, I really regret taking that position...

Modifié par Astalder, 23 janvier 2010 - 04:46 .

[The_mango55]

Well I have to agree with him that ME 1 exploration was pointless. Because with all your "exploration" you never found anything unique or cool.

[Cascadus]

I still find IGN reviews to be uneven. GTAIV a ten? Please.

[Astalder]

Cross-comparing reviews is naive, different people write them, and even then it's pretty stupid.

[Ruud333]

phimseto wrote...

It may be that he was just nitpicking, but it's the kind of bulletpoint that could make a difference for the worst. Hence, I choose to address the point. Mass Effect 2 may have its problems, but its ties to ME1 is not one of them.

In what way will that "bulletpoint" make a "difference for the worst"?

I think it's a good point to bring up myself, and a valid minor flaw to raise to those who have not played the first game.  He has to give his opinion and review of a 'single' game on it's own, not as part of a series.

Jesus they gave it a 9.6 - don't see why you are so upset.

[Xena_Shepard]

Astalder wrote...

Think of it this way...

10.0 = Perfect game with no forseeable room for improvement under modern technology and culture.
-0.1 for overly refferential gameplay, important critique for first time buyers
-0.3 for sound cutout, crash, and stuck bugs

I remember when the first Mass Effect came out, there were some of us (i.e. me) who got yelled at for offering constructive criticism on what people thought was the perfect game.  Common complaints included...

1) Texture Pop-In
2) The MAKO and Exploration
3) Inventory System
4) Armor art, customization options.

Well damn, I really regret taking that position...

Man there's gonna be crash bugs?

Anyways, people will always complain, especially dumb people.

I loved the Mako, exploration, inventory system, and armor art...So yeah.

[The_mango55]

Cascadus wrote...

I still find IGN reviews to be uneven. GTAIV a ten? Please.

Irrelevant because GTA4 was reviewed by Hilary Goldstein, while ME2 was reviewed by Erik Brudvig.

Just because they work for the same company doesn't mean they have the same opinion on games.

[NucleoSynthesis]

to me is not a problem , overly referential is describe something objectively, in line with reality

[Merchant2006]

I understand that critics reviews are important but... I mean... take a look at movies. I seriously find Zoolander hysterical and many other movies, yet critics hate em.



Yeah, ME2 deserves a great score, probably 9/10 or 95%+ (or the equivalent) but hey, everyone has their opinions. But one persons opinions doesn't mean that everyone goes with it. Some thing it should be lower, others higher. I take game reviewers with a pinch of salt and just move on.

[Gambit One]

sigh.





Nothing like an ignorant super-fan who thinks that his favorite game is perfect.



Here's a hint. ME1 was far from perfect, and ME2 still isn't pefect.



He gave it a f*cking 9.6, you should be worshiping him.

[Darth_Shizz]

Is there a reason for this thread existing? 

Closing comment from the review:

"Games like Mass Effect 2 don't come around often enough. Look at any aspect and you can be sure it's great. It's incredibly personal while still retaining a sense of epic sweeping scale. The combat and mission design are outstanding. The visuals, voice acting, soundtrack, and direction are miles ahead of the competition. Perhaps most impressively, Mass Effect 2 manages to fulfill its incredible ambition while only suffering from very few technical hiccups. The only real caveat I should mention is that some of the revelations and plot twists won't be quite as powerful if you haven't played Mass Effect 1, but that isn't any reason to skip this fantastic videogame."

Drug induced posting has always been a bad idea.

Modifié par Darth_Shizz, 23 janvier 2010 - 05:12 .

[PingoBlack]

Yeah, I'd also think he put it as a - form a perspective of it being a standalone game.



For us ME1 veterans, that is actually a plus.

[Mummolus]

Erik Brudvig is actually a terrible reviewer - more than once he's attributed hardware problems to the games he was playing and lowered the score because of problems nobody else had. You can safely bet that another IGN reviewer would have given it an even higher score.

[Darth_Shizz]

Mummolus wrote...

Erik Brudvig is actually a terrible reviewer - more than once he's attributed hardware problems to the games he was playing and lowered the score because of problems nobody else had. You can safely bet that another IGN reviewer would have given it an even higher score.

9.7?