Everyone seems to have to be extreme or sinister somehow.
Here I thought Justinia was just a misguided moderate at worst. If she has any faults, it's listening to Wynne and her stupid plan about the tranquil.
It wasn't Wynne's plan. It was a bargaining chip.
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It wasn't Wynne's plan. It was a bargaining chip.
They had their own motives, of course, but she probably would have never bought into it if she was knew Wynne was a deluded abomination. Or that it'd lead to a bunch of gruesome deaths.
They had their own motives, of course, but she probably would have never bought into it if she was knew Wynne was a deluded abomination. Or that it'd lead to a bunch of gruesome deaths.
Wynne was deluded, but not an abomination, she still had control of her own mind. As for the gruesome deaths, depending on which gruesome deaths you talking about, there was a lot of them in that book.
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Wynne was deluded, but not an abomination, she still had control of her own mind. As for the gruesome deaths, depending on which gruesome deaths you talking about, there was a lot of them in that book.
The ones sent with the tranquil.
It reminds me a bit of the Collector Base decision. Whether research is useful if the foundation is built on tragedy. Wynne turned into Mordin.
The ones sent with the tranquil.
It reminds me a bit of the Collector Base decision. Whether research is useful if the foundation is built on tragedy. Wynne turned into Mordin.
Are you talking about the fort where the former tranquil was doing his research? If you are than that was a cluster F***. But it wasn't intentional, he set up wards and took every precaution but the vail was to thin there.
Actually I feel the fault was with the Divine in sponsoring magical research without involving the Templars. There is a reason it is useful to have Templars on hand when you are doing risky stuff with the Fade, so if it goes wrong they can intervene. If there had been Templars there even if they couldn't totally control it, they might have been able to contain the damage and allow more people to escape. It is the one thing that I would still have Circles for even if mages on the whole were free in the community, magical research in a location away from the general population, to ensure damage limitation should things go wrong.
Actually I feel the fault was with the Divine in sponsoring magical research without involving the Templars. There is a reason it is useful to have Templars on hand when you are doing risky stuff with the Fade, so if it goes wrong they can intervene. If there had been Templars there even if they couldn't totally control it, they might have been able to contain the damage and allow more people to escape. It is the one thing that I would still have Circles for even if mages on the whole were free in the community, magical research in a location away from the general population, to ensure damage limitation should things go wrong.
Templars would have likely killed the Tranquil outside the City gates and said bandits got him.
Not really since the elves are still being punished for the "crimes" of the Dales, not helping Orlais. So purging an alienage wouldn't be a big deal to the Divine. Look at how they Chantry treats the elves.
You mean better than the rest of Thedas, allowing them to become priests/priestesses and even Templars?
You mean better than the rest of Thedas, allowing them to become priests/priestesses and even Templars?
What?
What?
The Chantry allowed elves to join as brothers/sisters and even allow them to join the Templar Order.
The Chantry allowed elves to join as brothers/sisters and even allow them to join the Templar Order.
When? Where? I don't remember ever seeing an elven brother/sister or templar in the games or reading about it in any of the codexs or books.
When? Where? I don't remember ever seeing an elven brother/sister or templar. Or reading about it in any of the codexs or books.
The female elf you save from having molten gold poured over her in Sebastian's Act 2 quest writes you in Act 3 thanking you and tells you that she is a Sister in another Chantry. It even has Sister in front of her name where she signs.
As for them being able to be Templars,
@Maugrimm Elves aren't barred from becoming templars. They're just not very common. Evangeline in Asunder was almost an elf, actually.
The female elf you save from having molten gold poured over her in Sebastian's Act 2 quest writes you in Act 3 thanking you and tells you that she is a Sister in another Chantry. It even has Sister in front of her name where she signs.
As for them being able to be Templars,
@Maugrimm Elves aren't barred from becoming templars. They're just not very common. Evangeline in Asunder was almost an elf, actually.
I forgot about the elf woman from Sebastian's DLC, I deleted him. So elves are allowed to be templars. I'm really surprised at this.
In Asunder Justinia seems to be making moves to help the mages, but we learn in Masked Empire that this is only because she made a deal with Empress Celene.Which also means that the Divine is directly responsible for what happened to the elves of the Halamshiral alienage.
So do you think it was an assassination attempt by an outside party or did Divine Justinia set it up herself? She is a trained bard and knows "The Game" very well.Before the deal she struck with Celene she was happy to pull an Elthina and sit on her hands and not do anything.
If Divine Justinia did set it, why would she do it?
Primary problem with your theory is this:
Justinia was moving to reform the circles prior to meeting with Celene. She commissioned the research into reversing tranquility 5 years prior to the events of Asunder.
Primary problem with your theory is this:
Justinia was moving to reform the circles prior to meeting with Celene. She commissioned the research into reversing tranquility 5 years prior to the events of Asunder.
This isn't a theory, just a question for people to debate about.
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