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[Willowhugger]

The Warden was flukey.

 

I think the main difference was in fact that the resistance was unusually weak, and thus the Archdemon exposed itself recklessly.

There's another answer too.

Flemeth decided to intervene on behalf of the Wardens.

[Drimberly]

Real blight, Warden was just awesome. 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

There's another answer too.

Flemeth decided to intervene on behalf of the Wardens.

That happened, and it was necessary for Ferelden to even stand a chance, but if the Warden wasn't freaking awesome it would not have been enough. Bear in mind that Flemeth's involvement was limited to keeping the treaties in one piece each, stopping the Wardens from dying, and giving them one mage. (Who wasn't Flemeth.)

[thats1evildude]

I think it's a real Blight. I think there's 3 main things that made it short. We've learned from the past, for one. Early blights didn't see the threat until later. Also, the Warden probably is super-badass. Also, Flemeth pretty much changed everything. It could've been a lot worse without her.

 

StreetMagic has the right of it. Certainly part of the victory can be attributed to the Warden's strength and skill, but had Flemeth not rescued Alistair and the Warden from the Tower of Ishal or preserved the treaties, Ferelden would have been utterly destroyed.

 

There was also a considerable amount of coincidence that swung in the Warden's favour. For instance, if the werewolves had not attacked Zathrian's clan, the Dalish would have been much harder to find. They might have decided to just kill the Wardens instead of honouring the treaties; Zathrian even admits that he'd hoped the werewolves would kill the Warden. And if Genitivi had not left his notes back in Denerim, then the Warden might never have found the Sacred Ashes and cured Eamon.

[Gago]

I (the Warden) was awesome but Flemeth helped too (for reasons we could only guess). SPOILERS!! Beside saving ours and Alistair's hides at Ostagar, 30 years ago she told Marric that a Blight will come to Ferelden. He invited the Grey Wardens back after 200 years +he helped them with all that Architect thing in the Calling.

[AutumnWitch]

The Blight never ended....just postponed a bit until Morrigan's child is old enough to gather a non-darkspawn army to combine with the powers of the dark spawn hoard then he will march over Thedas unlike anything that has ever been witnessed. Just my two pence.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I have two playthroughs in which Morrigan doesn't have a child.

[Willowhugger]

The Blight was easier this time because a staggering number of oddballs who'd never work together normally joined forces to add their peculiar expertise to things.

[IntoTheDarkness]

Why did AD show herself in the first place? DS were doing so well until Archdemon appeared and decided to fly by a tower on which a grey warden was standing. I thought AD were supposed to have intelligence. I could have won the war for DS if I controlled the horde even if I were not a dragon god.

 

She ain't as stupid as the reapers in ME3, but still she acts pretty dumb.

[X Equestris]

Why did AD show herself in the first place? DS were doing so well until Archdemon appeared and decided to fly by a tower on which a grey warden was standing. I thought AD were supposed to have intelligence. I could have won the war for DS if I controlled the horde even if I were not a dragon god.
 
She ain't as stupid as the reapers in ME3, but still she acts pretty dumb.

The codex implies that Archdemons usually stay in the Deep Roads for most of the Blight. The most likely explanation I can think of is that the lack of organized resistance after Ostagar lead the Archdemon to think that it was safe to come out and lay waste to Ferelden. As for the Archdemons fly by, I'm putting it down to shear luck. If Riordan had missed his jump, there would have been no way to force the Archdemon to land.

And Archdemons are male.

[SpoonMan]

I think The Darkspawn Chronicles sheds some light onto how much of an impact the Warden truly did have.

[EmberWynde]

You do have to consider that this was a premature blight as well and that the Architect's experiments upon the Arch-Demon may have altered it. 

[WarriorOfLight999]

Riordan played a major role in ending the Fifth Blight. It's true that the Warden struck the killing blow, but Riordan had a plan to actually ground the Archdemon, which apparently no one else had even thought of. If Riordan hadn't torn up the wing, the Fifth Blight would still be raging at this very moment. As Queen, I always honor Riordan for his ingenuity, bravery, and selflessness.

[Lindum]

The Warden was indeed awesome, but also had help from his/her companions, Riordan and Flemeth and a lot of luck in stopping the Blight.

[Jerkules17]

The Warden hands down. As we saw with the Darkspawn Chronicles no Warden,no win. I'm shocked Alistair picked the wolves,so much for Mr.Nice guy.

[Merle McClure II]

You have to remember who "unhardened" Alistair had whispering in his ear the entire time, a certain swamp witch who didn't have either the friendly influence or firm leadership provided by the Warden to drag her kicking and screaming into the real world.

[MacNille]

a real blight, but the warden manged to kill the archdemon before it had a chance to gather all of its strengh.

[illsteward]

You do have to consider that this was a premature blight as well and that the Architect's experiments upon the Arch-Demon may have altered it. 

 

I am surprised that this occured only once in the whole thread. Much like we can see from The Calling novel (kind of hard-set cannon, since it takes place years before DA:O), the Archdemon has not awakened as a wild force unleashed to destroy the entire world, as the previous ones, but instead was slowly emerging from his slumber, being tested, researched and drained of some force. Think of power difference between waking up by your loved one, having a cup of coffee, full english breakfast, morning newspaper, properly dressing yourself and then going on a rampage to destroy the world, versus waking up in hospital by a doctor who insists that you have to have your blood drained for tests before you even get to breakfast, and a couple of hours later he will throw you out too late to get some more power, but still in need to do some rampaging.

Furthermore, I don't think Flemeth has decided to act in any previous Blights, despite being alive for centuries. Mostly, the previous Blights did not appear so close to her hut and *DA2 / DA:I spoiler follows*

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also, I think her being Mythal and actually needing the soul of Old God to experiment on, she simply needed someone who will carry Morrigan close enough to the Archdemon, which might have been her real reason for helping GWs AND why she insists on Morrigan leaving with them. This would also mean that she really influenced the Blight, and maybe even Hawke's claim to power, as she needed Corypheus to find the Orb for her, which could have never happened, would Hawke not awaken him.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I am surprised that this occured only once in the whole thread. Much like we can see from The Calling novel (kind of hard-set cannon, since it takes place years before DA:O), the Archdemon has not awakened as a wild force unleashed to destroy the entire world, as the previous ones, but instead was slowly emerging from his slumber, being tested, researched and drained of some force. Think of power difference between waking up by your loved one, having a cup of coffee, full english breakfast, morning newspaper, properly dressing yourself and then going on a rampage to destroy the world, versus waking up in hospital by a doctor who insists that you have to have your blood drained for tests before you even get to breakfast, and a couple of hours later he will throw you out too late to get some more power, but still in need to do some rampaging.

Furthermore, I don't think Flemeth has decided to act in any previous Blights, despite being alive for centuries. Mostly, the previous Blights did not appear so close to her hut and *DA2 / DA:I spoiler follows*

Spoiler

also, I think her being Mythal and actually needing the soul of Old God to experiment on, she simply needed someone who will carry Morrigan close enough to the Archdemon, which might have been her real reason for helping GWs AND why she insists on Morrigan leaving with them. This would also mean that she really influenced the Blight, and maybe even Hawke's claim to power, as she needed Corypheus to find the Orb for her, which could have never happened, would Hawke not awaken him.

I don't think the Architect did much in the way of experimenting on Urthemiel. I'd thought all he was stated to have done was the reverse Joining that backfired. He was never, to the best of my memory, stated or implied to have done anything else and when you think about it probably would have wanted to get the main test done immediately so that the Archdemon can't be Tainted in any way apart from the one the Architect thinks might save him. And after the Joining failed... well, how much control over the situation do you really think Archie had? The Archdemon is a freaking dragon.

 

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As for the idea that Flemeth saved Hawke because she knew what Hawke would do to the world, I tend to doubt it. I don't think she's ever been outright stated to have precognitive abilities, and while she is hinted to have them I put a low weight of confidence on these hints since A: they come from her and B: they are to the best of my knowledge the only hints that such powers are possible in this setting. Though on the other hand, if such powers do exist in this setting who'd be more likely to have them than Mythal?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I still say this Archdemon went down quickly because the Wardens were vigilent enough to notice the signs of a Blight early on, Cailan was foolish and trusting enough to deal with the Blight early on, Duncan was attentive enough to get new recruits and find the old treaties just in case, Flemeth was nearby, and finally: the PC was some random schmuck who happened to be in the wrong place at the right time, with Duncan and Flemeth nearby to save them and set them down the right path soon enough to stop the Blight before it got too out-of-hand.

All of this is true, and all of it was necessary, but if it weren't for the Warden being far more than "some random schmuck" it would not have been nearly enough.