Out of interest where did all these ppl come from that expect to be a dalish first or expected to be a keeper?
Or where did they even get the idea?
Well, because we can play as a Dalish mage, and most Dalish mages are Keepers or Firsts.
(And now I'm wondering what Dalish mages who aren't a Keeper/a First do. There must be some of them, right? Since there aren't that many clans and a clan only has one Keeper and one First, I think?)
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ahh ok so ppl jumped the gun so to speak np thnxz
Oooo it'd be cool if we were the Halla caretaker. In DAO the halla caretaker of the clan int he Brecillian(sp?) Forest was a mage.
You know this if you side with werewolves and kill the elves, she attacks with magic, so for all intents and purposes, she's a mage. I know according to lore that Dalish don't like having many mages around that isn't a first or a keeper and that apprentice dalish mages are usually transferred to other clans in inter-clan meetups which are very regular (i'm assuming once a couple of months)
That'd be really cool if you could be the Keeper's First..... it'd make sense, going to the peace conference and all...represneting the dalish elves
Oooo it'd be cool if we were the Halla caretaker. In DAO the halla caretaker of the clan int he Brecillian(sp?) Forest was a mage.
You know this if you side with werewolves and kill the elves, she attacks with magic, so for all intents and purposes, she's a mage. I know according to lore that Dalish don't like having many mages around that isn't a first or a keeper and that apprentice dalish mages are usually transferred to other clans in inter-clan meetups which are very regular (i'm assuming once a couple of months)
Being a First would be cooler.
Where was it stated by the devs that human inq is noble?
Where was it stated by the devs that human inq is noble?
in the raptr q&a yesterday
Being a First would be cooler.
Being a First would most definitely be cooler but I was referring to the questions stating that if we weren't a First or a Keeper but a Dalish Elf Mage in a tribe which usually has little mages aside from their first or their Keeper. I'd be definitely happy if we were the First, whcih I think we might be becuase it'll give us more authority already but allow us the naivete of a newbie character since we're still an aprentice essentially.
Hawke's mother was from a noble family, returns to Kirkwall expecting to return to the noble lifestyle she ran from, you have to find some papers showing your mother's legal claim to the Amell mansion, and at the end of Act I you get filthy rich. By the start of Act II you buy a mansion in Hightown and remain living like a noble for the rest of the game.
Noble blood, later wealth, later lifestyle. For all intents and purposes, Hawke is a noble.
Even if we assume Hawke was very young - say 18 - when Lothering got burned, he still lived twice more in poverty than he did in wealth. Hawke was a commoner who fell into money.
Arguing whether Hawke is a commoner or a noble is like arguing whether the Kennedys are American Royalty. There is no royalty in America. Hawke is not a noble family. However the Kennedys are American Royalty and Hawke is a noble.
Not really, no. Again, a poor person who fell into money. If you go along with this logic, then you really are saying a casteless dwarf warden in DAO was actually nobility too.
lol yes. A Commoner Dwarf Origin does become a noble when made Paragon.
So anyone who goes the vast majority of their life as a poor commoner no longer has the origins of a poor commoner because they become noble well after their origins story is over. Okay... Sure.
Hawke isn't born a noble. Being a noble isn't just about bloodline, its about rank and title, of which Hawke (as of Act 1) has none. Hawke's mother eloped with a commoner, and though born into a noble house she essentially became a commoner herself when she ran off with him. Whatever claim she may have had to rank & title in Kirkwall were abandoned when she married. In short, Hawke can claim a noble lineage but he (or she) can't claim to be a noble. Hawke is basically in the same situation as Varric. Gamlen is a noble however, albeit an impoverished and disgraced one.
Hawke doesn't join the ranks of the nobility until he (or she) is made Champion of Kirkwall. Champion is a noble title in the Free Marches.
In 2000 the NFL's New England Patriots were 5-11 win/loss, bottom of the division, missed the playoffs.
In 2001 the NFL's New England Patriots were 11-5 win/loss, division winners, made the playoffs and won the Super Bowl.
The 2000 roster of the New England Patriots are not champions.
The 2001 roster of the New England Patriots are champions.
The New England Patriots are Super Bowl Champions.
All of these statements are correct.
Hawke and the Dwarven Commoner are not nobles until surprise! they are nobles.
Hawke and the Dwarven Commoner are not nobles until surprise! they are nobles.
Yet their backgrounds and origins aren't.
I feel like Jerry when I interact with Andy.
You make bad points like "if you become noble at any point then you don't count as a human commoner origin", I prove that stance to be nonsense... So I'm crazy. Right, okay then.
Hawke doesn't join the ranks of the nobility until he (or she) is made Champion of Kirkwall. Champion is a noble title in the Free Marches.
This is probably the reason why only human Inquisitors who are not mages are considered nobles, in spite of the mage ones belonging to the same family. The latter are not nobles even if they come from a noble family, since they have been stripped of their titles. That doesn't necessarily mean they are a Circle mage, though. An apostate would be just as unrecognized by what passes for a law in Ferelden.
Hawke isn't born a noble. Being a noble isn't just about bloodline, its about rank and title
That's a rather British point of view. France, for example, was full of untitled nobility
That's a rather British point of view. France, for example, was full of untitled nobility
It does depend on the particular laws, or at least traditions, of the land. However, I think we can agree that in Thedas being a mage automatically cancels any claim to nobility (unless mage status is specifically overridden by a superior authority). Since Hawke's father was an apostate, Hawke him/herself wouldn't ever be considered a noble when DA2 starts.
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I want to know the Backgrounds for Humans and Qunari
the others don't interest me
I hope we get some sort of narration at the beginning like in DA:O
otherwise I would feel pretty lost and I hate games where I have to headcanon everything (like in shitty skyrim)
It does depend on the particular laws, or at least traditions, of the land. However, I think we can agree that in Thedas being a mage automatically cancels any claim to nobility (unless mage status is specifically overridden by a superior authority). Since Hawke's father was an apostate, Hawke him/herself wouldn't ever be considered a noble when DA2 starts.
Isolde's grandfather was a mage, yet she is nobility. Thedas doesn't appear to place a particular emphasis on the male line, and Leandra was not in fact disinherited by her parents.
I never made that point and I'm almost certain no one else did.You make bad points like "if you become noble at any point then you don't count as a human commoner origin", I prove that stance to be nonsense... So I'm crazy. Right, okay then.
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