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[Jacksper]

So I have beaten Dragon Age: Origin for my first time and my character was friends with Morrigan (A female Dalish Elf origin was my Warden, and that was extremely fun.  Points to Bioware for making the Dalish story awesome.)  So my question is what are you guy's opinions on Morrigan?

 

I for one kind of believe her story about wanting to save the Warden from death, along with saving the Essence of an Old God.  What she intends to do with it, however, is kinda sketchy in my mind.  "Not hurting Ferelden" doesn't mean "not going to use the baby to destroy some other country." but also if she is behind the Orlesian civil war, I for one don't necessarily see that as an evil thing.  Okay, aside from the massive casualties to a country's population, the Orlesians are kinda douchie.  Their's is one of the worst places for an Elf to be born as they have a high amount of Classism in their society, which is something that Fereldens (And Americans) don't usually seem to have as part of their open societal values (although I am well aware that those kinds of things exist in all kinds of society).  

 

Basically, the Chantry = Douchie to me

chevaliers from the story I heard that woman tell me in Denerim = Douchie

And the lady from Leliana's past = Super douchie.

 

Not to mention that I have grown rather fond of Ferelden and its culture.  Mabari are by far the coolest in game Dog breed I have ever seen or played with, and since Human Noble is my favorite origin, being the Second son in a family who's power is second only to the king is pretty cool imo.  So, the basic question is.  Is Morrigan's attitude, a matter of upbringing but she is truly innocent and a decent person?  Or is she just evil and cunning enough to get my Warden who has wayyy too much influence over the sexuality of other people (The Future king anybody?) to agree to giving her the child that would conquer the world?

[Napoleonicus]

Their's is one of the worst places for an Elf to be born as they have a high amount of Classism in their society, which is something that Fereldens (And Americans) don't usually seem to have as part of their open societal values (although I am well aware that those kinds of things exist in all kinds of society).

 

Hold your horses there friend. In Ferelden, elves are slaves. In Orlais, according to dialogue with Leliana if the Warden is an elf, they are serfs since slavery is illegal and highly sought after servants such as valets, majordomos, castellans, and are actually quite valued and valuable paid employees, and often lead richer lives than humans.

 

Is Morrigan's attitude, a matter of upbringing but she is truly innocent and a decent person?  Or is she just evil and cunning enough to get my Warden who has wayyy too much influence over the sexuality of other people (The Future king anybody?) to agree to giving her the child that would conquer the world?

 

Morrigan has a social darwinistic outlook on things. She believes in survival of the fittest, which is a philosophy that is neither good nor evil. It is the law of nature, and the basic unwritten law that rules even our societies. Sure, we try to even the playing field with those who are disadvantaged and mintain a level of justice, but the fact remains that you don't bother the guy who's a foot taller and beefier than you, and wether he's guilty or not, the billionnaire won't go to prison. So no, she's not evil. She's a realist who does not want to be the beta.

 

As for what her plan really is... you should ask  David Gaider, he would know

[Eveangaline]

This may belong more in the origins forums

But I liked Morrigan as a friend, didn't trust her to be working for why's best for people, or that her plans would work out the way she wanted instead if backfiring Horribly, but I do love her friendship path.

[KC_Prototype]

Put this in Morrigan's thread.

[KC_Prototype]

Hold your horses there friend. In Ferelden, elves are slaves. In Orlais, according to dialogue with Leliana if the Warden is an elf, they are serfs since slavery is illegal and highly sought after servants such as valets, majordomos, castellans, and are actually quite valued and valuable paid employees, and often lead richer lives than humans.

 

 

Morrigan has a social darwinistic outlook on things. She believes in survival of the fittest, which is a philosophy that is neither good nor evil. It is the law of nature, and the basic unwritten law that rules even our societies. Sure, we try to even the playing field with those who are disadvantaged and mintain a level of justice, but the fact remains that you don't bother the guy who's a foot taller and beefier than you, and wether he's guilty or not, the billionnaire won't go to prison. So no, she's not evil. She's a realist who does not want to be the beta.

 

As for what her plan really is... you should ask  David Gaider, he would know

How are elves slaves in Ferelden? Socially oppressed but not Slaves. Think of it like African-Americans after slavery.

[Napoleonicus]

How are elves slaves in Ferelden? Socially oppressed but not Slaves. Think of it like African-Americans after slavery.

 

You think the elves of the Cousland estate looked like wage employees?

[Hizoku]

You think the elves of the Cousland estate looked like wage employees?

we didn't really get to talk to them so who knows... but you can infer that the handmaiden you can sleep with if you're a male cousland is getting paid since she has to support her daughter in Denerim 

[Napoleonicus]

we didn't really get to talk to them so who knows... but you can infer that the handmaiden you can sleep with if you're a male cousland is getting paid since she has to support her daughter in Denerim 

 

You do make a fair point

[Gervaise]

Something I only learnt through coming to the Forums, although it is apparently in World of Thedas, apparently it is illegal in Ferelden to kill a human in defence of an elf.     So as I understand it you can be beating, raping or even trying to kill an elf but if someone steps in to stop you and you get killed, accidentally or otherwise, then that person is in the wrong and can be imprisoned for it, may be even executed.    However, if a similar situation arises with a human and you intervene, then it can be seen as justified.    When I learnt this my admiration for Ferelden society dropped to the same level as that of Orlais.    It also explains why nobody seemed that bothered at the Landsmeet that Loghain had been selling elves into slavery and it didn't earn you many points with the nobles for mentioning it.

 

Essentially elves are a second class citizen throughout Thedas and no one nation is any better than the others in their treatment of them.    Although they are called servants in Orlais and Ferelden, in terms of rights they are little better than slaves.    At least Tevinter is honest about it.

[Napoleonicus]

didn't Leliana say that the "Walls of the alienage in Orlais' capital were so high that the Elves could not see the sun."?  If that is true, that doesn't sound either healthy or like a very fun place to live.

 

I don't actually remember it, but I'll take you at your word

 

To the broader point of the thread since it bears her name, Morrigan's baby probably has little to do with the current wars or world conquest, but it could certainly spell doom for the Chantry, a faction we know she actually has a justified distaste for. Besides it's not like she would be marching with the Ark of the Covenant. The most I can see the child do is steal followers from the Chantry into a renewed and revitalized cult of the Old Gods, which is not supplanted by the chantry in many places in the world anyway.

[Jacksper]

I don't actually remember it, but I'll take you at your word

 

To the broader point of the thread since it bears her name, Morrigan's baby probably has little to do with the current wars or world conquest, but it could certainly spell doom for the Chantry, a faction we know she actually has a justified distaste for. Besides it's not like she would be marching with the Ark of the Covenant. The most I can see the child do is steal followers from the Chantry into a renewed and revitalized cult of the Old Gods, which is not supplanted by the chantry in many places in the world anyway.

I get that.

[SomeUsername]

I don't think she is truly innocent or good. I do blame her mindset on Flemeth but I also think that Morrigan doesn't even know what good is. I think that a good lover or friend could really change her however. Perhaps now that she has a child she is putting some of the survival-thought behind and starting to care more. Slowly I believe she will start becoming more humane.

[Taleroth]

Morrigan is a person who spent too much time trying to be her mother's daughter and not enough time trying to be herself.

 

Hopefully that's changed, DAO gave her that chance.

 

It's a child not a weapon. She never talks about it like it's a tool and there's no reason to believe she has any intentions for it beyond keeping something beautiful alive.