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[leaguer of one]

That's why I used apostrophes. And call me cold hearted all you want. One privileged mage that should have been sent to the Circle, but wasn't because his infulential mommy didn't allow it vs an entire village of fishermen, fishwives, and children. I'll pick the latter every time.  

The child should not pay for the mothers mistake. You can at least save the child and it would be the same risk as killing him. Even then their is little risk going to the circle.

[DinkyD]

Abandoning the people Ferelden because he I didn't kill Loghain was a new low....

 

Not played this ending yet but did see some of the dialogue somewhere.. hasn't this got something to do with Anora calling for his execution? Is he meant to stick around Ferelden with Anora out for his blood?

[leaguer of one]

I think Alistair has a lot of good traits generally speaking. I only hate him for being a Warden fanboy. Nothing more. I don't like the idealization of Duncan especially. I'd rather remember Ser Jory. lol /pours out 40 oz.

Ser Jory was an 'itch.

[Jaison1986]

 You have no idea what hubris is and how quickly one can fall to it with that thinking.

 

So, using an egocentric sense of morality that may geopardize everything because we are too cowardly to do the tough calls is better?

[Reaverwind]

My dislike for this is really more about adding yet another absurdity to Fiona's list of absurdities than it is about Alistair, who is basically a failure the Warden has to (potentially) succeed in place of.

Fiona, on the other hand, is just a bit too magical special awesome snowflake for my tastes. An elf mage slave with included traumatic experience (because being an elf, slave, and mage wasn't sad enough, apparently), who murders her master and isn't immediately executed in spite of living in a world where elves, mages, and slaves are often killed for no reason at all. She then goes on to be a Grey Warden who hangs out with the Mentor before he was the Mentor, the King of the Land and the Hero of the Land when they were still awesome adventurers. And not only does she hang out with them, but they think she is the most awesome Grey Warden Mage that ever Grey Warden Maged in the history of Grey Warden Maging. And on their adventure, they basically do all the Architect parts of Awakening before it is cool, because the Warden Commander can suck it. Oh! Oh! And in spite of hating each other and having zero in common (plus traumatic past!) she bangs the King. Because reasons on her part and because Maric can't go too long without sexing someone not named Rowan or he loses his superpowers. And then she goes and hangs out with the First Warden. Oh, and has a kid. With the King.

But wait! There's more!

Now that we've established that she is the most awesome Warden ever, she's cured of the Taint because that crap was just holding her back. Now she joins the Circle and everyone loves her, and because she is the most admirable and awesome mage ever, they promote her to the highest position possible, you know, in spite of other Mages who have lived their entire lives in the Circle probably having more in common with their fellow Circle Mages. Because everyone loves her. And, of course, she is just the bestest Grand Enchanter.

But wait! There's more!

In spite of the Circle being an evil slave prison of evilness where evil Templars evilly control every facet of mage lives(with evil), including which mages get to wear the fancy mage leadership hats, she manages to get the whole Mage Leadership together and hold a democratic vote to tell the evil Templars to go away. AND IT FAILS! THE TRAGEDY! So, because the evil Templars are evil and control every facet of mage life, including which mages get to wear the fancy mage leadership hats, she is immediately removed from office and killed, because this mage freedom business is Not Acceptable.

Oh, wait, no. This is Fiona, so that last bit doesn't happen. The evil Templars just let her keep doing her thing, because Fiona. And to the surprise of no one, and because way back when she got de-Tainted she decided she was going to be Mage Moses, she does it again! And wins! And despite being in a tower full of evil Templars created and trained for the sole purpose of putting mages down, they all escape and yay.

The End.

Oh, wait, no. That kid she had with the King goes on and hangs out with another Warden who does some cool stuff like Fiona (but she totally did some of it first, and cooler). And her son, and Marric's, rest his not yet dead soul, goes on to (maybe) become King.

NOW The End (until Inquisition. Maybe.)

Honestly, you could distribute Fiona's accomplishments to three characters and not a one of them would have reason to feel lacking in the presence of the Warden who united a nation and saved the world.

 

I think you nailed it. 

[leaguer of one]

So, using an egocentric sense of morality that may geopardize everything because we are too cowardly to do the tough calls is better?

That the entire issue. Nothing says or shows they are the better call. Added, you're not considering the long term effects. You really want to give golem tech to a close minded classiest or a power hungry despot?

[leaguer of one]

I care more about his wife and child, tbh.

If he did he would not try to run from being a warden. If he cared about them he should of taken any risk to protect them from the blight.

[Hazegurl]

Cold hearted much. And the answer is their is no "right" decision or "best" decision

IMO, I think the only reason why there isn't a best decision is because there are no consequences  to making it. Leaving Connor in the hands of his mother who has zero control over him just to go trekking to the Circle is foolhardy considering the amount of damage and lives he took in one night. It makes even less sense to free the Circle (if it was not done prior) because it would eat away time and increase of chances of that kid doing further damage to Redcliffe. The wisest choice would be to kill the boy right away. 

 

My mage female who loved Alistair, opted to let Redcliffe fall and took the deal with the demon for more power.

[Little Princess Peach]

Alistair is extremely close to being a Mary Sue now.

 

Dragon blood, mother is a ex warden who cured her taint and was leader oft he mages, a grey warden, has templar powers, is possible king...

 

Jesus christ, there are fan fics better then this. Extremely disappointed.

But it is refreshing not having the main pc be all those things like in every other game

give the spot light to an npc now and again but please Bioware make it realistic

[Jaison1986]

That the entire issue. Nothing says or shows they are the better call. Added, you're not considering the long term effects. You really want to give golem tech to a close minded classiest or a power hungry despot?

 

And that is also the point. There will be no long term effects to even worry about if we don't win the final battle.

[leaguer of one]

Maybe I don't trust the maleficar that poisoned the Arl... or the fact that he is talking about a blood magic ritual. If it were any other mage I would consider blood magic. Jowan just has too many things going against him unless the Warden is also a mage.

The man who can run at anytime and come to aid when he does not have to?

 

Please, you just being lazy and don't want to try.

[DinkyD]

If he's hardened, he'll stick around at least, but he'll say he's "quitting" the Wardens.

 

Which is bullsh*t. He can't run away, whether he says it or not.

 

I thought he also had to be King? I.e. not in immanent danger of losing his head?

[leaguer of one]

IMO, I think the only reason why there isn't a best decision is because there are no consequences  to making it. Leaving Connor in the hands of his mother who has zero control over him just to go trekking to the Circle is foolhardy considering the amount of damage and lives he took in one night. It makes even less sense to free the Circle (if it was not done prior) because it would eat away time and increase of chances of that kid doing further damage to Redcliffe. The wisest choice would be to kill the boy right away. 

 

My mage female who loved Alistair, opted to let Redcliffe fall and took the deal with the demon for more power.

The issue with Conner was his ignorance not the lack of control of him. Remember he has to raise his army and that takes time. regardless to that their other alternatives on hand that allows him to live.

[Reaverwind]

IMO, I think the only reason why there isn't a best decision is because there are no consequences  to making it. Leaving Connor in the hands of his mother who has zero control over him just to go trekking to the Circle is foolhardy considering the amount of damage and lives he took in one night. It makes even less sense to free the Circle (if it was not done prior) because it would eat away time and increase of chances of that kid doing further damage to Redcliffe. The wisest choice would be to kill the boy right away. 

 

My mage female who loved Alistair, opted to let Redcliffe fall and took the deal with the demon for more power.

 

Wow, now that's cold! 

[leaguer of one]

LOL. The only character that should have second thoughts about keeping the Anvil is a Casteless Dwarf. It shouldn't matter to every other origin except for the Dwarf Noble who should want to preserve it no matter what.

Please, anyone no matter what background can have second thoughts about keeping the Anvil. It blood magic powered by genocide. Any person with empathy would consider not keeping it.

[Former_Fiend]

I thought he also had to be King? I.e. not in immanent danger of losing his head?

 

Alistair is perfectly capable of leaving the order if he becomes King. 

 

What he isn't capable of is running away from the taint; sooner or later, it will catch up to him.

[LobselVith8]

The child should not pay for the mothers mistake. You can at least save the child and it would be the same risk as killing him. Even then their is little risk going to the circle.

 

Technically speaking, if it wasn't for game mechanics, I'd imagine you could've left a few people behind (like Wynne, Morrigan, Sten, ect.) to make sure something didn't go wrong while you headed to Kinloch Hold for Irving's assistance.

[Thetford]

Alistair of House Theirin, First of his name is the Dovahkiin, King of the Andals, the one who will bring balance to the Force, the Keyblade Master, Champion of Just, Hero of Neverwinter, Ace Detective, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, Clown Prince of Comedy, Stormborn, the Unburnt, Father of Dragons and Protector of the Realm.

To be fair, Elizabeth II has many, many, many more titles than that, but there again, her predecessors have had almost two millennia to amass such a collection.

 

Anyway, on topic (The Alistair one, not the whatshername one that is in the middle of this thread, Adrina?) Anyway, I would just love it if the writers turned around at the end and did a last minute reveal stating that Alistair's mother is Goldanna's mother, who just also happens to be an elf (well, the lower, downstairs staff like washer women do tend to be elves in DA), and Maric just has an elf fetish (just to balance it out, Rowan had been making several suspicious trips to Orzammar over the years), it would be especially funny, if Fiona turns around and says "no, I don't think he was called Alistair, I think it was a J name, James? Jacob? No, I'm pretty sure it was a Jowan, yeah, that's his name", the following forum explosion would be so huge, there should be coupons for popcorn shipped with the game (I really hope so as Tesco sells this really nice tomato and Worcestershire sauce flavoured popcorn).

 

My issue, like others, is the "special snowflake" issue, yet another layer of special is added to his character via an ancillary product, if this was a trifle, it would be Rachel's trifle from Friends, when everyone else would be content with just a normal one. My issue is not with the elf blood (even if elves are the hippy granola girls of high fantasy like every other piece of fantasy fiction), but rather in the manner for which it is added, through an ancillary product, that changes a large bit of previously known backstory of a major character within the main product, who was already special, and extra special after even more ancillary products, the whole Fiona being his mother thing just feels like the beef layer in a trifle. It all just makes me think, "what next", and each special layer just seems to decrease the integrity of the character as a whole, to quote the Engineering technology in Civilization IV, who quoted someone else, "perfection is not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away".

 

And before anyone says anything, Fiona being Alistair's mother is adding more special to Alistair, because it does not matter in the slightest what Thedas' attitude to elves, mages or trifles are, it is what the gamers, forumites and writers think is special, because like in that Morgan Freeman movie (or was it Samuel Jackson?) that I saw quoted on some random TVTropes page, Judge: "In this court, race does not matter", Defendant: "Unfortunately, I do not live in this court", (or something along those lines), we do not live in Thedas, we live in a world where the Granola Girls with pointy ears are considered special in a video game.