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[leaguer of one]

The Anvil isn't blood magic...

Yes it is. It's blood magic. Anything using life energy and blood to power it is blood magic.

[Hazegurl]

What on earth says that. That's up to the circle to decide and last time I checked he already past his harrowing. Seriously that is a baseless excuse.

In one of those "save Connor" scenarios where he passes his Harrowing he's still possessed. Only one scenario has him pass his harrowing and remain normal and that is if you allow his mother to die and use Jowan's help.

[TheChris92]

You were treating them like titles and epithets, I guess something was lost in the emotionless translation and it was the product of my weird obscure sense of humour,

Do you recognize some of the titles? Let's pretend for a moment you do. Normally one shouldn't need to explain a joke otherwise it's not funny and you'll look like an idiot but here goes. In a Song of Ice & Fire there's a few characters, specifically Kings, who carry long ass titles, in somewhat similar fashion to 15th century Scottish & English monarchs, some Danes too. The titles are generally just references to other games that solely exists to mark why and how great those characters are in that universe -- I was mocking Alistair by saying he's all of these things because he's clearly so great and can do no wrong, in terms of Dragon Age's logic. This was also emphasized, when I decided to quote a specific post which were meant to signalize what I was trying to say.

Anyway, I clearly failed you. I'm so sorry. Time to perform sepukku D':

[Reaverwind]

In one of those "save Connor" scenarios where he passes his Harrowing he's still possessed. Only one scenario has him pass his harrowing and remain normal and that is if you allow his mother to die and use Jowan's help.

 

I prefer not to use Jowan's help - I don't trust him not to screw up and Morrigan isn't thrilled with the idea. (Yea, I know things work out, but I don't meta-game.)

[leaguer of one]

In one of those "save Connor" scenarios where he passes his Harrowing he's still possessed. Only one scenario has him pass his harrowing and remain normal and that is if you allow his mother to die and use Jowan's help.

He does not remains possessed. He link the the demons remains. And even then he does have the chance to repel it. And the case he still is connected to the demon is if you make a deal with the demon, when you fake saving him. Not a good point to use.

[leaguer of one]

I prefer not to use Jowan's help - I don't trust him not to screw up and Morrigan isn't thrilled with the idea. (Yea, I know things work out, but I don't meta-game.)

It not meta gaming in this case. He never shows he has issues using magic.

[leaguer of one]

LOL. No. It. Is. Not. The Anvil uses lyrium. Caradin used the comparison to blood magic as a last ditch effort to get the Warden on his side.

Lyrium is one of the sources. Blood and life energy is also a power source as well. It's blood magic.

[Reaverwind]

It not meta gaming in this case. He never shows he has issues using magic.

 

That explains why we find him howling like a banshee in a cell, instead of doing something about the undead threatening him. 

[leaguer of one]

That explains why we find him howling like a banshee in a cell, instead of doing something about the undead threatening him. 

Blood magic does not work on things that have no blood.

[Thetford]

Do you recognize some of the titles? Let's pretend for a moment you do. Normally one shouldn't need to explain a joke otherwise it's not funny and you'll look like an idiot but here goes. In a Song of Ice & Fire there's a few characters, specifically Kings, who carry long ass titles, in somewhat similar fashion to 15th century Scottish & English monarchs, some Danes too. The titles are generally just references to other games that solely exists to mark why and how great those characters are in that universe -- I was mocking Alistair by saying he's all of these things because he's clearly so great and can do no wrong, in terms of Dragon Age's logic. This was also emphasized, when I decided to quote a specific post which were meant to signalize what I was trying to say.

Anyway, I clearly failed you. I'm so sorry. Time to perform sepukku D':

Excuse me, have I insulted you in any fashion, I mean this sincerely, if so, I am truly sorry. I already said I have a weird and obscure sense of humour, it was something for which I found amusing. I just feel that calling me an idiot over an aside comment, which further derails this thread is incredibly unneeded, especially as different people have different sense of humours, but can we please move on and continue with the discussion?

[leaguer of one]

Nao vou dar morou em ponta de faca.

How are you being held by knife point?

[TK514]

Now now. I didn't say Alistair was a failure as a Warden. I said Alistair was a failure, period. Before The Warden, he had accomplished nothing, had no ambitions to accomplish anything, and whined about every single opportunity to step up and take any responsibility. The one time I can think of that he doesn't whine is when Duncan tells him to do something- no, wait, he whines that he wants to do something else instead. Even the guy he idolizes isn't immune to him whining.

He was a guy who lived in his parent's house until they sent him to vocational school to make something of himself, and he was determined to make every day as miserable as possible until someone came and offered him a job out of pity. He had accomplished exactly nothing in his life, and would have continued that trend until his death, had The Warden not shown up.

Even with the Warden, he has to be dragged to anything like responsibility. And Finally he gets a chance. Not just a chance to better himself, but a chance to save a nation. To truly do something that matters for tens of thousands of people for years to come. And he whines about it. And if he doesn't get his way, he takes his ball and leaves. I am convinced that drunk Alistair is what he would have become if left to his own devices.

Alistair is the only DA:O companion except the Dog to have accomplished nothing in his life before the Warden. He hadn't even bothered to apply himself enough to fail at anything.

Morrigan had already mastered powerful esoteric magics.
Leliana was a former secret agent.
Sten was trusted to lead a squad on a covert mission deep behind enemy lines.
Wynne was an accomplished and respected Mage in line to be First Enchanter if she wanted it.
Zevran was an assassin trusted enough to take solo contracts and meet with foreign monarchs/regents as the clients.
Oghren had been a respected Dwarven warrior and less respected husband.
Shale gave her life to be a tool in service to her people.


This actually makes Alistair worse, surprising as that may be. Now, He potentially just got a pity Joining because Duncan knew his Mom, and Fiona would have crapped a red lyrium brick if she found out the kid she abandoned was a Templar.

[TheChris92]

Excuse me, have I insulted you in any fashion, I mean this sincerely, if so, I am truly sorry. I already said I have a weird and obscure sense of humour, it was something for which I found amusing. I just feel that calling me an idiot over an aside comment, which further derails this thread is incredibly unneeded, especially as different people have different sense of humours, but can we please move on and continue with the discussion?

I didn't call you an idiot at all?

 

 

 

Normally one shouldn't need to explain a joke otherwise it's not funny and you'll look like an idiot but here goes.

One, that is to say "The one who tells the joke" and you "that is to say the one who'll come off short with having to explain" that is me again.

Having to explain the joke will make the jokester look like an idiot because then it's not funny anymore.

 

Y U SO CEREAL ALL THE TIME, THETFORD?!

[TK514]

I don't know about that. The Cousland's dog is doing well for himself. Kills rats and pisses off the nanny to no end.

True. He's pretty high up on the pampered pup scale.

[leaguer of one]

Now now. I didn't say Alistair was a failure as a Warden. I said Alistair was a failure, period. Before The Warden, he had accomplished nothing, had no ambitions to accomplish anything, and whined about every single opportunity to step up and take any responsibility. The one time I can think of that he doesn't whine is when Duncan tells him to do something- no, wait, he whines that he wants to do something else instead. Even the guy he idolizes isn't immune to him whining.

He was a guy who lived in his parent's house until they sent him to vocational school to make something of himself, and he was determined to make every day as miserable as possible until someone came and offered him a job out of pity. He had accomplished exactly nothing in his life, and would have continued that trend until his death, had The Warden not shown up.

Even with the Warden, he has to be dragged to anything like responsibility. And Finally he gets a chance. Not just a chance to better himself, but a chance to save a nation. To truly do something that matters for tens of thousands of people for years to come. And he whines about it. And if he doesn't get his way, he takes his ball and leaves. I am convinced that drunk Alistair is what he would have become if left to his own devices.

Alistair is the only DA:O companion except the Dog to have accomplished nothing in his life before the Warden. He hadn't even bothered to apply himself enough to fail at anything.

Morrigan had already mastered powerful esoteric magics.
Leliana was a former secret agent.
Sten was trusted to lead a squad on a covert mission deep behind enemy lines.
Wynne was an accomplished and respected Mage in line to be First Enchanter if she wanted it.
Zevran was an assassin trusted enough to take solo contracts and meet with foreign monarchs/regents as the clients.
Oghren had been a respected Dwarven warrior and less respected husband.
Shale gave her life to be a tool in service to her people.


This actually makes Alistair worse, surprising as that may be. Now, He potentially just got a pity Joining because Duncan knew his Mom, and Fiona would have crapped a red lyrium brick if she found out the kid she abandoned was a Templar.

 

Sten's mission went fubar.

Zevran is far from elegant as he proceeds to be and his opening moment is him failing

Oghren had 0 to no respect in Ozimaar.

Morrigan is technically a 28-30 years old still living with her mom and has communication issues.

Wynne had made a lot of mess ups in her life.

Shale did not even remember what she was before and spent a good portion of her life as help and a bird toilet.

Leliana was stuck running away from life and living in disillusions.

 

And you main arguement that Alistair is a failure because he has not done anything yet before he turned 20?(Yes, he is 20 in dragon age origins. He was born 9:10 and origins happen in 9:30.)

[Adaar the Unbound]

This raises so many questions for me. What about Goldana and her mother? & they said "There are no half elves in DA. The Human side always dominates the appearance." But what about Feynriel?

[Reaverwind]

Now now. I didn't say Alistair was a failure as a Warden. I said Alistair was a failure, period. Before The Warden, he had accomplished nothing, had no ambitions to accomplish anything, and whined about every single opportunity to step up and take any responsibility. The one time I can think of that he doesn't whine is when Duncan tells him to do something- no, wait, he whines that he wants to do something else instead. Even the guy he idolizes isn't immune to him whining.

He was a guy who lived in his parent's house until they sent him to vocational school to make something of himself, and he was determined to make every day as miserable as possible until someone came and offered him a job out of pity. He had accomplished exactly nothing in his life, and would have continued that trend until his death, had The Warden not shown up.

Even with the Warden, he has to be dragged to anything like responsibility. And Finally he gets a chance. Not just a chance to better himself, but a chance to save a nation. To truly do something that matters for tens of thousands of people for years to come. And he whines about it. And if he doesn't get his way, he takes his ball and leaves. I am convinced that drunk Alistair is what he would have become if left to his own devices.

 

 

I cut him some slack because he was raised like an animal - although it does irritate me to no end that he fails to recognise that Eamon was worse than having no father. I can't say that Duncan did him many favors, either. A few more months with the other wardens would have helped him to grow up, but unfortunately, things didn't work out that way. However, I do think putting him on the throne would be disastrous, realistically. On a side note, I think it would have been morbidly funny had he remained a templar and been sent after Fiona.

[Xilizhra]

Now now. I didn't say Alistair was a failure as a Warden. I said Alistair was a failure, period. Before The Warden, he had accomplished nothing, had no ambitions to accomplish anything, and whined about every single opportunity to step up and take any responsibility. The one time I can think of that he doesn't whine is when Duncan tells him to do something- no, wait, he whines that he wants to do something else instead. Even the guy he idolizes isn't immune to him whining.

He was a guy who lived in his parent's house until they sent him to vocational school to make something of himself, and he was determined to make every day as miserable as possible until someone came and offered him a job out of pity. He had accomplished exactly nothing in his life, and would have continued that trend until his death, had The Warden not shown up.

Even with the Warden, he has to be dragged to anything like responsibility. And Finally he gets a chance. Not just a chance to better himself, but a chance to save a nation. To truly do something that matters for tens of thousands of people for years to come. And he whines about it. And if he doesn't get his way, he takes his ball and leaves. I am convinced that drunk Alistair is what he would have become if left to his own devices.

Alistair is the only DA:O companion except the Dog to have accomplished nothing in his life before the Warden. He hadn't even bothered to apply himself enough to fail at anything.

Morrigan had already mastered powerful esoteric magics.
Leliana was a former secret agent.
Sten was trusted to lead a squad on a covert mission deep behind enemy lines.
Wynne was an accomplished and respected Mage in line to be First Enchanter if she wanted it.
Zevran was an assassin trusted enough to take solo contracts and meet with foreign monarchs/regents as the clients.
Oghren had been a respected Dwarven warrior and less respected husband.
Shale gave her life to be a tool in service to her people.


This actually makes Alistair worse, surprising as that may be. Now, He potentially just got a pity Joining because Duncan knew his Mom, and Fiona would have crapped a red lyrium brick if she found out the kid she abandoned was a Templar.

Eh, it matters little in the end. He's still a good king.

[leaguer of one]

This raises so many questions for me. What about Goldana and her mother? & they said "There are no half elves in DA. The Human side always dominates the appearance." But what about Feynriel?

Feynreil looks mostly human. Goldana and her mother are just covers. Her mother deid at child birth with the baby dieing and was switch with Alistair as a baby.

[Vortex13]

Preserving the Anvil.  But the benefits to the dwarves of Orzammar are great. People are sacrificed to it, but thanks to these new golems they push the darkspawn back and keep the people safe;

 

 

I agree that preserving the Anvil is the pragmatic thing to do; though I wished that we could have taken it from Branka and given the Anvil to someone less crazy. The sacrifice required to create the golems, and the potential for abuse is an unfortunate side effect, but no more then the people using it. It's a tool, it has no good or evil morals. 

 

Let's not forget that Shale volunteered to become a Golem to defend her people, now its true that the Dwarven leader did abuse the Anvil and used it to kill innocents and political adversaries, but even then those unjust murders could be used to save dwarf lives. Caradin wanted to destroy the anvil, because he viewed it as abhorrent; something that no one should have to endure; but he refuses to help protect his people from the very real possibility of extinction, by killing himself should the Warden destroy the Anvil.

 

Personally, I would have kept the Anvil, and then asked for volunteers. Failing that I would have criminals, and murderers; people that would be put to death for their crimes anyway; become members of the Golem Defense Force. Is the possibility for abuse of power still there? Yes absolutely. Are the Dwarves more likely to be annihilated without the tireless golems helping to defend their last great city? Yes absolutely.