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[Former_Fiend]

So much for a suspenseful revelation.

It makes me wonder about Goldanna, though. Was she really paid to pretend? Or did her mother get pregnant and die in childbirth and then they just lied to Goldanna and told her that the child was King Marric's. They would've been telling the truth about it being dead. Honestly, I see no reason for anyone to trick Alistair into thinking he had a sister, and same goes for Goldanna having a brother.

 

 

Seriously, if you're plotting a cover up, you don't try to hide the identity of the King's bastard's mother. Fiona didn't want Alistair to know about her, but more importantly, she didn't want Alistair to know about Maric because she didn't want Alistair to be at all involved in the court or ever be a claimant to the throne. 

 

If they went ahead and told him who his father was, there was no point in covering up who his mother was. Fiona was a grey warden of no real significance. There's no point in pinning Alistair's mother as the maid who conveniently died in childbirth around the time Fiona dropped the kid off. 

 

The whole story makes no goddamn sense.

[leaguer of one]

So much for a suspenseful revelation.

It makes me wonder about Goldanna, though. Was she really paid to pretend? Or did her mother get pregnant and die in childbirth and then they just lied to Goldanna and told her that the child was King Marric's. They would've been telling the truth about it being dead. Honestly, I see no reason for anyone to trick Alistair into thinking he had a sister, and same goes for Goldanna having a brother.

Outside of the fact they don't want him to know he is elf blooded. Being efl blood is looked down on in thedus added their was a possibility he could become king. He maybe a bastard but he was the spare.

[leaguer of one]

My point is that the writers made such a good case of convincing us as players that Alistair's mother was a servant in the Arl's house is that they left themselves inadequate leeway to change it further down the line in this radical way imho.

 

This is not from pc and Alistair's perspective, but my own, as a player and reader. What Alistair knows, or thinks he knows, is irrelevant. It's a question of world consistency.

 

I might change my mind that this is not a re-write if someone comes up with an adequate explanation of the following for a start:

 

How Goldanna became convinced that her mother was pregnant with the King's child, so that it was necessary to buy her off.

 

Why both Loghain AND Alistair (whom I think I am safe to assume have never spoken together on this subject) think that Rowan was alive when Alistair was either born/conceived. And most bafflingly, why was Alistair told he was conceived while Rowan was still alive thus lying to him about his age. Or if he wasn't deliberatly lied to, why does he think this?

That's a miss conception. It was never made to convince the player or the pc. It was to convince Alistair. Not all statements in the lore or story are of what really happen and what is going on.

 

And Alistair never said Rowen was alive when he was born.

[Shadow Fox]

Outside of the fact they don't want him to know he is elf blooded. Being efl blood is looked down on in thedus added their was a possibility he could become king. He maybe a bastard but he was the spare.

He was already looked down on and treated like dirt.

[leaguer of one]

 

 

Seriously, if you're plotting a cover up, you don't try to hide the identity of the King's bastard's mother. Fiona didn't want Alistair to know about her, but more importantly, she didn't want Alistair to know about Maric because she didn't want Alistair to be at all involved in the court or ever be a claimant to the throne. 

 

If they went ahead and told him who his father was, there was no point in covering up who his mother was. Fiona was a grey warden of no real significance. There's no point in pinning Alistair's mother as the maid who conveniently died in childbirth around the time Fiona dropped the kid off. 

 

The whole story makes no goddamn sense.

Agein, it's clearly more of an issue that they did not want Alistair to know he's elf blood or it to be known he is elf blooded.

[Former_Fiend]

It's called a red herring. Hide his elven/mage/Orlesian heritage by pretending he was the child of a common Ferelden human servant. Make a big show of covering up the birth of a child by a servant woman so people would think Alistair was that child and thus never suspect who his real mother was. And considering what a disadvantage elven, mage, and Orlesian blood is to Ferelden humans, they're not doing it to hide how awesome and special he is. 

 

Why ever acknowledge he was Maric's kid in the first place? The only people who knew were Fiona, Duncan, Loghain(which makes him being wrong in Origins all the more glaring), and Maric himself. 

 

You could have Eamon bite the bullet and say the kid was his bastard. He hadn't met Isolde yet so that wasn't a conflict. 

[leaguer of one]

He was already looked down on and treated like dirt.

..By one person. The Arl's wife. That means nothing.

[Former_Fiend]

Agein, it's clearly more of an issue that they did not want Alistair to know he's elf blood or it to be known he is elf blooded.

 

Being the king's kid is a bigger deal than being elf blooded, even in Thedas. 

 

I'm not saying he wouldn't have been treated like crap, but still, being the king's bastard is a larger part of it and there was no need to acknowledge he was the king's at all.

[leaguer of one]

Why ever acknowledge he was Maric's kid in the first place? The only people who knew were Fiona, Duncan, Loghain(which makes him being wrong in Origins all the more glaring), and Maric himself. 

 

You could have Eamon bite the bullet and say the kid was his bastard. He hadn't met Isolde yet so that wasn't a conflict. 

Because Maric clearly want to take care of his child and they need a spare heir to the thrown just in case.

[Former_Fiend]

Because Maric clearly want to take care of his child and they need a spare heir to the thrown just in case.

 

Kid slept in the stables. Did a bang up job on the first count. 

 

Alistair's ability to inherit is also a point of contention; under normal circumstances, the Couslands would have probably come before a bastard in the line of succession. 

[leaguer of one]

Being the king's kid is a bigger deal than being elf blooded, even in Thedas. 

 

I'm not saying he wouldn't have been treated like crap, but still, being the king's bastard is a larger part of it and there was no need to acknowledge he was the king's at all.

Wrong. Being elf blood is all that's need to not get support to being kinged. It is a big issue in thedus that is looked down on. Thedus is really racist. And their is a reason to acknowledge him as the son of the king. He is the spare. What if Calin died before becoming the king? What do you think would happen? Maric had no other children and disappeared before having any more. Alistair is the back up plan if Calin can't be king. Theirs the Heir and then their is the spare. Alistair is the spare.

[leaguer of one]

Kid slept in the stables. Did a bang up job on the first count. 

 

Alistair's ability to inherit is also a point of contention; under normal circumstances, the Couslands would have probably come before a bastard in the line of succession. 

That does not matter. Even with a Couland warden Alistair is still considered first. No matter what you say Alistair was the spare.

[Shadow Fox]

..By one person. The Arl's wife. That means nothing.

Eamon,Isolde,Maric,the Arl's servants,The Chantry he was raised in,Loghain...

[leaguer of one]

I am aware of what a red herring is, but that's just ridiculous. Sure, tell him he's human. He'll believe you; he's pretty gullible, after all. Having Goldanna pose as his big sister is just stupid and unnecessary. Why would he have had any suspicion that his mother was an elf?

It's not that he would suspect. It's what other people would suspect, nobles, would suspect.

[leaguer of one]

What? Didn't Maric basically say he wanted Alistair to have NOTHING to do with royalty because he didn't want to give him the same burden that Maric himself had been given the moment he was born?

That's not what Loghain said nor was it in the calling. It was Fioana that asked that her background to be hidden.

[DinkyD]

 

 

And Alistair never said Rowen was alive when he was born.

 

Not when he was born, when he was conceived. He claims that his father "cheated" on the Arl's sister to conceive him. Cheated is a strange word to use if she's already dead.

 

Check yourself. It's when you talk to Alistair about being King in Arl Eamon's estate after talking with Anora. You have to select the “do you think you could you back out” option. He's unhardened in the game I've just reproduced it in to check but I've no idea if that matters. He speaks about Eamon being the brother of the woman his father cheated on and he still took him in.

[leaguer of one]

Eamon,Isolde,Maric,the Arl's servants,The Chantry he was raised in,Loghain...

Eamon never treated him badly and was like his father, Maric want to take him in but could not because of political reasons. Loghain never contacted Alistair. And it does not matter what the servants thought

[Han Shot First]

 

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That is shorthand for, "I can't explain why Fiona giving birth to Alistair would turn Rowan into a concubine."

[Former_Fiend]

That does not matter. Even with a Couland warden Alistair is still considered first. No matter what you say Alistair was the spare.

 

Those are extraordinary circumstances(House Cousland's all but wiped out at that point, and both Alistair and the lone (known) surviving Cousland are wardens, who aren't supposed to inherit at all). Add to that the (very plausible) theory that Eamon mainly wanted Alistair on the throne so he could use him as a puppet king...

 

In any event, Bryce Cousland was the Landsmeet's first choice to succeed Maric. The only reason Cailen was placed on the throne was that Bryce refused it. 

[Shadow Fox]

Wrong. Being elf blood is all that's need to not get support to being kinged. It is a big issue in thedus that is looked down on. Thedus is really racist. And their is a reason to acknowledge him as the son of the king. He is the spare. What if Calin died before becoming the king? What do you think would happen? Maric had no other children and disappeared before having any more. Alistair is the back up plan if Calin can't be king. Theirs the Heir and then their is the spare. Alistair is the spare.

No the only reason Alistair was put forward is because Eamon wanted a Theirin on the throne.

 

The only reason he became King was because Loghain royally fucked up.